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[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...

The way I iwrote it, my PC told him. The scenario had more to do with circumstances but I can see having the news come from someone he trusts softening the blow a bit. I'm also all for keeping Fiona from seeing his immediate hurt/angry reaction. Even if she is ok with him hating her and thinks she deserves it, I can't imagine that would feel very good.

I have imagined it this way, too, i.e. coming from my PC rather than from Fiona herself.

I imagine it from Fiona's side and it would be a pretty big WTF to see how her and Maric's intentions towards him went so wrong.  Then again, it was a bit of a hare-brained idea to assume that a child would care more about being a half-elven bastard than about being orphaned.  I could see hiding who his father is, but Fiona abandoning him is something that makes me want to slap her.

Edit:  Top of page... hm, I don't have any new screenshots, so I'll have to go with a repost of my new favorite look for him.    At least my new favorite look for early in the game.

Modifié par Addai67, 12 avril 2010 - 03:48 .

[Raiil]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Maybe more Wardens need to be like us. *buffs her nails on her shirt* We *are* ridiculously awesome. We should give classes, or something.

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[LadyDamodred]

Well, for her, being of elven blood really is worse than being an orphan. Lots of people are orphans and lead perfectly fine lives. And it's not like she could raise him. It wasn't an option. So if it's a choice between being a human orphan/bastard son of a king and a half-elven orphan/bastard son of a king, her choice makes a lot of sense. It would just be another layer of grief for him.

And if my PC found out, she would go to Fiona and be 'You have to tell him'. She loves Alistair to death, but she would also feel it's unfair for him to hear it second hand. He would only have questions and have to seek out Fiona anyway.

Valentia X wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Maybe more Wardens need to be like us. *buffs her nails on her shirt* We *are* ridiculously awesome. We should give classes, or something.

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No, I think this is at least a 400-level class.  Maybe even 500-level. 

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 12 avril 2010 - 03:50 .

[Raiil]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Well, for her, being of elven blood really is worse than being an orphan. Lots of people are orphans and lead perfectly fine lives. And it's not like she could raise him. It wasn't an option. So if it's a choice between being a human orphan/bastard son of a king and a half-elven orphan/bastard son of a king, her choice makes a lot of sense. It would just be another layer of grief for him.

And if my PC found out, she would go to Fiona and be 'You have to tell him'. She loves Alistair to death, but she would also feel it's unfair for him to hear it second hand. He would only have questions and have to seek out Fiona anyway.

Valentia X wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Maybe more Wardens need to be like us. *buffs her nails on her shirt* We *are* ridiculously awesome. We should give classes, or something.

How to be a Badass 101?


Sign me up~

No, I think this is at least a 400-level class.  Maybe even 500-level. 

Pfft, there needs to be a Wardening for Beginners class first.

[nos_astra]

Addai67 wrote...
Edit:  Top of page... hm, I don't have any new screenshots, so I'll have to go with a repost of my new favorite look for him.    At least my new favorite look for early in the game.

You know what I hate about the human noble origin? You never get THIS screen because Dog is in Alistair's place.

Modifié par klarabella, 12 avril 2010 - 04:03 .

[LadyDamodred]

Maric was around, in a sense. I have the feeling Eamon never told him what a b*itch Isolde was to the kid. Maybe it wouldn't have mattered in the long run, but I'd like to think Maric might have told her to knock it the eff off.

Psssh, beginners class.  Please.  It would be like having advanced calculus teachers teach into to algebra.  Waste of time and talent all around. 

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 12 avril 2010 - 04:06 .

[Addai]

Elps wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

I imagine it from Fiona's side and it would be a pretty big WTF to see how her and Maric's intentions towards him went so wrong.  Then again, it was a bit of a hare-brained idea to assume that a child would care more about being a half-elven bastard than about being orphaned.  I could see hiding who his father is, but Fiona abandoning him is something that makes me want to slap her.

I don't believe their intentions went so wrong at all. She wanted him to be raised as a human, free from the obligations his birthright would impose on him, and in such a way that he would never be a threat to Cailan's claim to the throne. They wanted him to have the freedom to chose his own path in life. Duncan offered to watch over him & keep Maric informed of his son's progress. All those things happened.

The only thing that changed is that Maric disappeared and Arl Eamon allowed his Orlesian wife to mistreat his charge, resulting in him being sent to the templars. Duncan saved him from that fate. 

If Fiona is his mother then she had no choice but to give him up. Mages don't raise children. If she had been able to keep him then she could not have been able to have given him the future she wanted him to have. One can only assume that if Maric had been around he would not have wanted his child treated the way he was by Isolde.

The idea was that he would be free of Maric's legacy, too.  Somehow that got f'ed up in a big way.  Especially if he either ends up as King of Ferelden or being executed as a rival for the throne!

But I hadn't thought about Fiona being a mage as well as elven.  Still, being a Warden she probably could have made it work.

[nos_astra]

Elps wrote...
The only thing that changed is that Maric disappeared and Arl Eamon allowed his Orlesian wife to mistreat his charge, resulting in him being sent to the templars. Duncan saved him from that fate. 

If Fiona is his mother then she had no choice but to give him up. Mages don't raise children. If she had been able to keep him then she could not have been able to have given him the future she wanted him to have. One can only assume that if Maric had been around he would not have wanted his child treated the way he was by Isolde.

If Alistair is indeed 20/21 in the game then Maric died when he was 15, so at that time he had been in the chantry's custody for 5 years. Maric must have known what happened to Alistair.

I happen to like fanfiction about Alistair's childhood. This one may be a little too sweet but still a nice take on the matter: Terrible Beauty, Chapter 2 - Chance

Edit: Spelling retconned. ^^

Modifié par klarabella, 12 avril 2010 - 04:29 .

[cmessaz]

klarabella wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
Edit:  Top of page... hm, I don't have any new screenshots, so I'll have to go with a repost of my new favorite look for him.    At least my new favorite look for early in the game.

You know what I hate about the human noble origin? You never get THIS screen because Dog is in Alistair's place.

Ya know, I wonder if there is a way to fix that in the toolset. It happens that way because dog is automatically in the #2 slot. There has to be a way to change that....

[nos_astra]

Yes, I know. Alistair is always in the second slot but at this point in the game I have no control over his position in the party frame. I know there's a mod that adds the party change screen to Denerim Market and the back alleys, maybe it could be done for Ostagar, too?

[LadyDamodred]

Addai67 wrote...
But I hadn't thought about Fiona being a mage as well as elven.  Still, being a Warden she probably could have made it work.

No.  She says the Wardens always place Grey Warden children elsewhere.  She just told them she already had a place for the baby.  Lemme dig out my book.  "We give the child up.  I told them I already had a place in mind."

[cmessaz]

I'm more thinking of a way to just automatically put Alistair in #2 regardless of dog being there or not. Or maybe we should create a no dog mod, dog was off roaming the wilds, which explains why he wasn't killed at the tower, and he can reappear at Flemmeth's hut. That way we get both of the HAWT guards lol. (Or the hawt mage...whatever)

Modifié par cmessaz, 12 avril 2010 - 04:19 .

[nos_astra]

cmessaz wrote...

I'm more thinking of a way to just automatically put Alistair in #2 regardless of dog being there or not. Or maybe we should create a no dog mod, dog was off roaming the wilds, which explains why he wasn't killed at the tower, and he can reappear at Flemmeth's hut. That way we get both of the HAWT guards lol.

I like the way you think.

[Addai]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
But I hadn't thought about Fiona being a mage as well as elven.  Still, being a Warden she probably could have made it work.

No.  She says the Wardens always place Grey Warden children elsewhere.  She just told them she already had a place for the baby.  Lemme dig out my book.  "We give the child up.  I told them I already had a place in mind."

Oh, I didn't remember this.  One more reason to tell Weisshaupt where they can stick their griffons.  My HNF, who already is not thrilled about being a Warden (I'm glad they gave you an option to acknowledge this in Awakening!), would be livid about this.

[cmessaz]

klarabella, your sig is better than mine. I have sig envy.

[LadyDamodred]

Well, I think if your HNF had kids, they are not subject to the general rule of 'GW don't raise their babies'. Gonna go out on a limb there and say you and Alistair can indeed tell them where ti stick their griffins. XD

[Addai]

klarabella wrote...
If Alistair is indeed 20/21 in the game then Maric died when he was 15, so at that time he had been in the chantry's custody for 5 years. So Maric must have know what happened to Alistair.

I hadn't put this together, that Alistair was already that old by Maric's disappearance.  Ugh, Maric... I like you, why do you have to be so out to lunch as a parent?

I always wondered why Alistair said that his father died before his mother.  It doesn't make sense to me that he'd lie in order to throw you off about who his father is.  This makes me think Alistair means "he died to me," and goes along with what we were talking about earlier about him resenting Maric.  It adds a new dimension to what he says about being bitter in the monastery- knowing that neither his birth father nor his adoptive father figure cared enough about him to prevent him from being shoved aside for the sake of that Orlesian tart.

Modifié par Addai67, 12 avril 2010 - 04:25 .

[nos_astra]

imported_beer wrote...
I love Alistair. I really do but all said and done but this is perhaps Dog's only moment of glory by your side. And Alistair gets several with the PC and without.

I miss dog so much. I hope Sten is taking good care of him.

The thing is, Dog isn't even visible because the camera angle is set too high for him to appear properly. All you can see a small part of his ear.

Modifié par klarabella, 12 avril 2010 - 04:29 .

[Addai]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Well, I think if your HNF had kids, they are not subject to the general rule of 'GW don't raise their babies'. Gonna go out on a limb there and say you and Alistair can indeed tell them where ti stick their griffins. XD

Oh yes, without question.  They can send all the armies of the Anderfels if they want.  However, I meant that she would be livid if she found out that Alistair had to be abandoned by his mother because of a Grey Warden policy.

[LadyDamodred]

She would have done it anyway, though. Maric suggests she leave the Wardens, and she outlines why it's not possible. *shrugs* It's really very sad. I don't place the blame with the GW on that one. In fact, I'm rather surprised they let her place the baby where she wanted. They didn't have to do that.

[cmessaz]

klarabella wrote...

imported_beer wrote...

klarabella wrote...
You know what I hate about the human noble origin? You never get THIS screen because Dog is in Alistair's place.

I love Alistair. I really do but all said and done but this is perhaps Dog's only moment of glory by your side. And Alistair gets several with the PC and without.

I miss dog so much. I hope Sten is taking good care of him.

The thing is, Dog isn't even visible because the camera angle is set too high for him to appear properly. You just see a small part of his ear.

I am serously going to research this. Plus, how the heck did dog even survive the tower being overran when Flemeth barely manages to save you? Maybe add a dialogue option telling dog to wait for you, and then the human noble would get the same cutscene as anyone else who didn't have a dog, (after leaving flemeth's hut) but the dialogue would instead say "oh there you are, I was so worried about you!"

Modifié par cmessaz, 12 avril 2010 - 04:31 .

[nos_astra]

cmessaz wrote...
I am serously going to research this. Plus, how the heck did dog even survive the tower being overran when Flemeth barely manages to save you? Maybe add a dialogue option telling dog to wait for you, and then the human noble would get the same cutscene as anyone else who didn't have a dog, (after leaving flemeth's hut) but the dialogue would instead say "oh there you are, I was so worried about you!"

That would be really awesome. Dog gets some real screentime and you can have Alistair next to you when the battle starts.

[Raiil]

LadyDamodred wrote...

She would have done it anyway, though. Maric suggests she leave the Wardens, and she outlines why it's not possible. *shrugs* It's really very sad. I don't place the blame with the GW on that one. In fact, I'm rather surprised they let her place the baby where she wanted. They didn't have to do that.

I thought about that too, and my only guess is that they had an inkling of her relationship with Maric. Not necessarily that he was the father, but that he was someone who cared about Fiona and might be put out if word got back to him that they had mistreated her in some fashion. Perhaps whomever made that final decision to allow her was aware, and wanted to stay on good terms with the King. Makes going back to Ferelden a hell of a lot easier.