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[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

His actions are my biggest problem. The looks and personality less so, but his actions and mentality, yes, that's why he gots to go bye bye in most of my playthroughs.

Now, if he had Tim Curry's voice instead of Howes....it would be a little more difficult a descision. Especially if she showed up to Landsmeet in a corset, fishnets, and rocker-babe hair. Then it would come down to killing him because Alistair demands it.

Edit: AWWWWWW! NOOOOO! Sad Alistair...awwww.....

***runs of to go find cheese and action men to make Alistair smile***

Modifié par Skadi_the_Evil_Elf, 27 avril 2010 - 02:09 .

[SurelyForth]

tmp7704 wrote...
I found Oghren sad in Awakening. He's sort of like what unhardened Alistair could end up like if he had thing going with the PC and in the end she sacrificed herself, only worse -- his wife abandoning him, the years he was treated like trash in Orzammar and then finding out Branka was cheating on him with someone else seemingly totally destroyed his sense of self-worth as well as any belief anyone could consider him worthy of anything let alone a normal relationship. He is still hopelessly hang up on his ex-wife to boot and his combat skills are the only thing about him anyone acknowledges, so he clings to that and revels in it. The jokes he makes are also a lot like Alistair's deflection routine, to cope with his own opinion about himself... but the way he reacts when he realizes you remembered about that drunk talk of his about the pony, that you actually listen to what he says... that was telling like hell.

If BW intended for him to come across as a desperate sadsack wholly resistant to being saved, then they did an excellent job. I know that there are people like that, people who are crushed by one thing and can never recover and will spit on any future happiness because of it. When you end Origins with him at 100, you get a sense of "I saved this dwarf, he has a great outlook now because of me and he and Felsi can run off and be adorably insulting to one another," and then...Awakening Oghren is still just as broken and the game acknowledges it. It's painful, but good writing nonetheless.

Oh, man. He is like non-king Alistair, both with the US or with the PC sparing Loghain.

[Aisynia]

tmp7704 wrote...

Serissia wrote...

Some of his jokes are funny some are kind of juvenile and not in a good way.  I found him less endearing in Awakening than Origin too.  The whole thing w/ Felsi just rubbed me the wrong way.  I don't know how old Oghren is but I'm guessing he's at least 40+ by Awakening and becoming a Warden is just going to bring him an even earlier death.  The whole bailing on his wife/kid to become a Warden is... distasteful.  I kept him w/ me because I felt obligated to as I felt his was the secondary character in Awakening. 

I found Oghren sad in Awakening. He's sort of like what unhardened Alistair could end up like if he had thing going with the PC and in the end she sacrificed herself, only worse -- his wife abandoning him, the years he was treated like trash in Orzammar and then finding out Branka was cheating on him with someone else seemingly totally destroyed his sense of self-worth as well as any belief anyone could consider him worthy of anything let alone a normal relationship. He is still hopelessly hang up on his ex-wife to boot and his combat skills are the only thing about him anyone acknowledges, so he clings to that and revels in it. The jokes he makes are also a lot like Alistair's deflection routine, to cope with his own opinion about himself... but the way he reacts when he realizes you remembered about that drunk talk of his about the pony, that you actually listen to what he says... that was telling like hell.

I have to agree.

Oghren wants everyone to think he's the hardass warrior with no emotions but it's really quite the opposite. He's got serious issues with his self-worth. I would never encourage or condone someone running off on their lover, but I think I understand why Oghren did it at least: he didn't feel he was good enough for his wife and baby, thought they would be better off without him.

Luckily, you can convince him to be a big part of their lives.

[Aisynia]

Two questions for the Alistair addicts >.> <.<



I am romancing him this playthrough.



I asked this question the other day in another thread but can't remember where.



I want the ending where you make him king, and he breaks up with you as a result (easy enough, I'm a mage), and then at the Archdemon, takes things into his own hands and sacrifices himself, saying he regrets he broke it off with you.



Should he be hardened or unhardened for this? I assume I need to get Anora locked up in a tower? Also, I need to make sure to let him break up with me at that point, right?



Okay, now a separate question, also related to Alistair. When you have the "Have you never..?" talk, and he starts talking about lampposts.. if you say "I've licked my share of lampposts, and more" why does he say that's disturbing?



Most guys I know, even the polite gentlemen would probably think that's terrifyingly hawt (though they wouldn't necessarily say it).

[sylvanaerie]

Yes its like what we talked about pages ago how character appearance can change (in the viewer's eyes) by their actions. Loghain, Howe, Caladrius, Branka all of them are hideous to me because of their personalities (though of all those Howe has the best voice over). I enjoy killing them no matter what PC I play because to me they are vile.

The fact that Loghain looks like he's been kicked by a mule and sounds like he gargles with razorblades with that arrogant whiny voice only adds to his unattractive qualities.

I started off hating Nate because I just saw angry hateful man but within my first few lines with him I saw something worth getting to know inside him and I stopped seeing Howe in his face. He ended up quite dreamy to me by the end of Awakenings.

Howe is just vile sick depraved and twisted. As soon as I heard Tim Curry's voice I recognized it and said "Oh this man is going to be VILE!!!" He is the ONLY one in the game I enjoy killing more than Loghain and his death scene is FAR too short..."I deserved more" damn straight you did, WYNNE get over here and rez his sorry ass he wants to have my knife shoved in his face again.

Caladrius and Branka for their brief appearances also evoked a LOT of nerdrage in me and I enjoy offing them too.

All these NPCs are hideous to me not by their appearance (facially I think Branka is really cute, she reminds me of Dagna's features then opens her mouth and I hate her all over again). Nothing of Dagna there except hair and general dwarf girl cuteness.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

First question: Nothing else. All you need to do is make him king, let him dump you, refuse Morrigan's ritual, and bring him to the AD. Doesn't matter if he's hardened or not, married to Anora or not. He only needs to be king and have dumped you.



Second question: That is Alistair's goofy way of saying "HAWT" to your admitting of licking your share of lamp posts. It's the response that gets you the most approval out of all of them. He is quite turned on by the prospect of you being a very naughty girl, but he's Alistair. His way of showing it will be rather goofy.

[mellifera]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Yes its like what we talked about pages ago how character appearance can change (in the viewer's eyes) by their actions. Loghain, Howe, Caladrius, Branka all of them are hideous to me because of their personalities (though of all those Howe has the best voice over). I enjoy killing them no matter what PC I play because to me they are vile.
The fact that Loghain looks like he's been kicked by a mule and sounds like he gargles with razorblades with that arrogant whiny voice only adds to his unattractive qualities.
I started off hating Nate because I just saw angry hateful man but within my first few lines with him I saw something worth getting to know inside him and I stopped seeing Howe in his face. He ended up quite dreamy to me by the end of Awakenings.
Howe is just vile sick depraved and twisted. As soon as I heard Tim Curry's voice I recognized it and said "Oh this man is going to be VILE!!!" He is the ONLY one in the game I enjoy killing more than Loghain and his death scene is FAR too short..."I deserved more" damn straight you did, WYNNE get over here and rez his sorry ass he wants to have my knife shoved in his face again.
Caladrius and Branka for their brief appearances also evoked a LOT of nerdrage in me and I enjoy offing them too.
All these NPCs are hideous to me not by their appearance (facially I think Branka is really cute, she reminds me of Dagna's features then opens her mouth and I hate her all over again). Nothing of Dagna there except hair and general dwarf girl cuteness.

True. It works both ways too. When I was going to buy Dragon Age, I took a peek at the characters on the site. When I saw Alistair I was like "Psh, medieval frat boy, I bet he's a jerk." I was fully intending to roll a character and romance Leliana, but then I actually started playing the game and now look where I'm at.

[tmp7704]

sylvanaerie wrote...

I started off hating Nate because I just saw angry hateful man but within my first few lines with him I saw something worth getting to know inside him and I stopped seeing Howe in his face. He ended up quite dreamy to me by the end of Awakenings.

Nate had me at the moment he confessed once he broke in he had change of heart and just wanted his parent's mementos. Well, technically he had my city elf at that -- she's still carrying and using her mother's dagger with her so hearing that from him formed instant familiarity/connection of sorts that was just too strong to ignore.

[Aisynia]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

First question: Nothing else. All you need to do is make him king, let him dump you, refuse Morrigan's ritual, and bring him to the AD. Doesn't matter if he's hardened or not, married to Anora or not. He only needs to be king and have dumped you.

Second question: That is Alistair's goofy way of saying "HAWT" to your admitting of licking your share of lamp posts. It's the response that gets you the most approval out of all of them. He is quite turned on by the prospect of you being a very naughty girl, but he's Alistair. His way of showing it will be rather goofy.

Ahh.. okay.

You know there is ONE thing that Alistair says that usually makes the color drain from MY face.

I forget specifically where, but it's generally before I have even hinted at a romance with him. He will say "I have a couple of interesting moles I could show you later if you want". Not only does it seem completely unrelated to the topic at hand, it feels completely random, and the way he says it is like.. well.. yeah, we know what he means.

At this point, my character usually is feeling something like this:

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Aisynia wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

First question: Nothing else. All you need to do is make him king, let him dump you, refuse Morrigan's ritual, and bring him to the AD. Doesn't matter if he's hardened or not, married to Anora or not. He only needs to be king and have dumped you.

Second question: That is Alistair's goofy way of saying "HAWT" to your admitting of licking your share of lamp posts. It's the response that gets you the most approval out of all of them. He is quite turned on by the prospect of you being a very naughty girl, but he's Alistair. His way of showing it will be rather goofy.

Ahh.. okay.

You know there is ONE thing that Alistair says that usually makes the color drain from MY face.

I forget specifically where, but it's generally before I have even hinted at a romance with him. He will say "I have a couple of interesting moles I could show you later if you want". Not only does it seem completely unrelated to the topic at hand, it feels completely random, and the way he says it is like.. well.. yeah, we know what he means.

At this point, my character usually is feeling something like this:

I have stripped and examined Alistair thoughrouly in so many playthroughs it's not funny, and I have yet to discover these interesting moles.

He's a naughty boy, fibbing to me like that. He's gonna get a good spanking.

[Aisynia]

*snickers* It's just SO out of the blue! It also barely seems in character, he's a man sure, but he's a damned prude.. well, sort of. I just don't expect that from him

[Addai]

Serissia wrote...

Speaking of the DR do you guys usually tell Alistair it will produce a child or just leave it vague?

I'm catching up from overnight, but the only PC I had who didn't tell Alistair the full truth was a city elf who romanced Zevran.  She was afraid that Alistair would say no.

My characters in a romance with him want everything to be on the table.  I guess I'm that way IRL and it carries over.

[SurelyForth]

Aisynia wrote...

*snickers* It's just SO out of the blue! It also barely seems in character, he's a man sure, but he's a damned prude.. well, sort of. I just don't expect that from him

I don't know, he starts hitting on the female PC straight out of the gate and you can tell him that you're dreaming about making love to him fairly early on. He's not going to jump anyone's bones without some sort of relationship, but he's appreciative of risque talk. Have you heard his discussion with Leliana about the Orlesian bards? There is no prudery on display there.

*dreamily imagines being lulled into complacency by Alistair or Leliana*

[sylvanaerie]

Aisynia wrote...

*snickers* It's just SO out of the blue! It also barely seems in character, he's a man sure, but he's a damned prude.. well, sort of. I just don't expect that from him

I wonder what the toolset says about that line? Maybe he's testing the waters so to speak because hes attracted (and still prior to the romance triggers)?  ITs like the "Handsome" line the PC gives him completely out of the blue too. Just seems forced to me now though his lines after that are cute, I usually reload and wait to trigger it with the lampost convo.

[Addai]

yukidama wrote...

LOL I was shaking from laughing so hard when I first heard the whole "dragon.... god... whatever!" bit.

I love that bit, too.  The whole progression from amused skepticism to horrified realization to absolute brain fry is delicious.

Then, however, come the Alistair sad-eyes when he realizes that you're really asking him to do it... 

[mellifera]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

*snickers* It's just SO out of the blue! It also barely seems in character, he's a man sure, but he's a damned prude.. well, sort of. I just don't expect that from him

I wonder what the toolset says about that line? Maybe he's testing the waters so to speak because hes attracted (and still prior to the romance triggers)?  ITs like the "Handsome" line the PC gives him completely out of the blue too. Just seems forced to me now though his lines after that are cute, I usually reload and wait to trigger it with the lampost convo.

It says "flirting".

I tend to avoid the 'handsome' bit, it feels weird. Unless I can imagine my character saying it, I guess sometimes they're the blatantly flirtatious type.

Modifié par yukidama, 27 avril 2010 - 02:51 .

[Aisynia]

SurelyForth wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

*snickers* It's just SO out of the blue! It also barely seems in character, he's a man sure, but he's a damned prude.. well, sort of. I just don't expect that from him

I don't know, he starts hitting on the female PC straight out of the gate and you can tell him that you're dreaming about making love to him fairly early on. He's not going to jump anyone's bones without some sort of relationship, but he's appreciative of risque talk. Have you heard his discussion with Leliana about the Orlesian bards? There is no prudery on display there.

*dreamily imagines being lulled into complacency by Alistair or Leliana*

Mmm.. what about at the same time?

I could go for that...

TMI alert..

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...

I love that bit, too.  The whole progression from amused skepticism to horrified realization to absolute brain fry is delicious.

Brain fry is the perfect way to describe it, and his voice there just kills me. Man, if it wasn't so traumatic it might be one of my favorite scenes in the entire game.

[SurelyForth]

Aisynia wrote...

Mmm.. what about at the same time?

I could go for that...

TMI alert..

I am quite disappointed that there is no Isabela/Leliana/Alistair/PC foursome available in the game. It's hard to balance the romances at that point, but I managed once for the sole purpose of what I thought would be a rip-roaring time for my PC. Alas, it was not meant to be.

[Addai]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Ok I'm off to play DAO, cmessaz has me curious to see Alistair lash out at Anora

It's not nearly as satisfying as Zevran's response to that scenario, where he says he hasn't heard a reason yet why he shouldn't cut Anora's throat and throw her into the river.

Go Zev. 

[LadyDamodred]

Aisynia wrote...

*snickers* It's just SO out of the blue! It also barely seems in character, he's a man sure, but he's a damned prude.. well, sort of. I just don't expect that from him

Alistair is a bad, bad man.  He tells you so himself.    And I don't see him as a prude.  He's young, has been very sheltered, hasn't been around women much and until recently has basically been told he will be celibate his whole life.  He's just really shy. 

[Aisynia]

SurelyForth wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

Mmm.. what about at the same time?

I could go for that...

TMI alert..

I am quite disappointed that there is no Isabela/Leliana/Alistair/PC foursome available in the game. It's hard to balance the romances at that point, but I managed once for the sole purpose of what I thought would be a rip-roaring time for my PC. Alas, it was not meant to be.

On a related note, having Oghren in your party when you and Leliana agree to Islabela's conditions is utterly hilarious. I can't imagine what Alistair is thinking if he is in the party with you. I don't recall him ever saying anything but you know the gears are turning

[SurelyForth]

Aisynia wrote...
On a related note, having Oghren in your party when you and Leliana agree to Islabela's conditions is utterly hilarious. I can't imagine what Alistair is thinking if he is in the party with you. I don't recall him ever saying anything but you know the gears are turning

His reaction if you go while he's just at Interested indicates that he'll be needing some sort of cooldown period while you're off with Isabela, I imagine that would hold doubly true in the event of PC/Leliana/Isabela.

[mellifera]

Aisynia wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

Mmm.. what about at the same time?

I could go for that...

TMI alert..

I am quite disappointed that there is no Isabela/Leliana/Alistair/PC foursome available in the game. It's hard to balance the romances at that point, but I managed once for the sole purpose of what I thought would be a rip-roaring time for my PC. Alas, it was not meant to be.

On a related note, having Oghren in your party when you and Leliana agree to Islabela's conditions is utterly hilarious. I can't imagine what Alistair is thinking if he is in the party with you. I don't recall him ever saying anything but you know the gears are turning

Hahaha, of course they are. I remember the first time I ever played I got ninja-loved by Leliana and his "I mean, sure... HOT" comment just had me dying. I was just like "Did he seriously just go there?" Ahaha.

[Addai]

klarabella wrote...

I'll never get into the "Loghain is so sexy thing". I don't even get why so many people decided to lurv him after reading TST. I just wanted to behead him again and again for what he did to Maric.

Looking back at TST snippets, I can see it.  It's the same vibe as Nathaniel- brooding, misunderstood, overshadowed by Maric, and in his case so stricken by what he saw happen to his mother that it colors his whole life.  You do want to reach in to TST and tell him that it will be ok.  Except, I think by the time we meet Loghain, he's almost beyond that already.  Rowan could have done it, but he lost her to Maric.

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Modifié par Addai67, 27 avril 2010 - 03:12 .