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[cmessaz]

Serissia wrote...

The whole mistress thing is more of a personal moral issue than an actual issue. Most Kings had mistresses and some weren't even that discreet about it. Even if the wife Alistair took had issue w/ it there would be little that she could do. Even when Anora was the true power behind Cailan she was never so openly. Even after Cailan's death Loghain steps up to become regent vs letting her solo rule.

Exactly. Personally I would not be ok with it. Especially since I am likely chancellor, so can you imagine the glares you would share with his wife. OMG! That would be a little akward. I do have chars that end as his lover, but in my mind it won't last.

[SurelyForth]

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

I want. Are these actually real? Or just a cruel joke like the My Little Pony Alistair thing posted yesterday? I want a My Little Pony costume for Alistair in game!

The Alistair Plushie is real. David Gaider was sent three in february, check the thread below.

http://social.biowar...9/index/1198540

I love Alistair, but Scowly Brows Sten is my favorite. So cute!

[Serissia]

AnniLau wrote...
I just started my third mage a few nights ago and, rather than ratting him out to Irving like I did with the other two, I took his side this time and genuinely tried to help him. Oddly, I found Jowan far less annoying with this approach than I had when I was setting him up. It also made Gregoir's tantrum and my PC subsequently leaving the Circle for the Wardens make more sense.

I was still mad that Jowan lied about the blood mage thing though. <_<

Jowan is the equivalent of that friend that asks you to help move furnature and use your truck/gas and then gives you a six pack at the end of the day as a reward.

I'll probably try siding w/ Jowan and try being an honest friend to him on this AW. 

[Lady Jess]

Serissia wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...
It's worked out pretty well on easy and normal at least. with duelist talents and dueling active I dodge and parry alot. Swords swing slower than daggers even with momentum up, but not too bad.

Would probably be fine on Hard/Nightmare as long as Alistair is picking up some of the agro.  I generally play in real time (no pausing at all) on Hard.  I'm about to try Nightmare though in real time.

Me too, I only pause if I absolutelyely have to, or if there's a good screenshot to be had.

Modifié par Lady Jess, 27 avril 2010 - 07:48 .

[cmessaz]

Serissia wrote...

AnniLau wrote...
I just started my third mage a few nights ago and, rather than ratting him out to Irving like I did with the other two, I took his side this time and genuinely tried to help him. Oddly, I found Jowan far less annoying with this approach than I had when I was setting him up. It also made Gregoir's tantrum and my PC subsequently leaving the Circle for the Wardens make more sense.

I was still mad that Jowan lied about the blood mage thing though. <_<

Jowan is the equivalent of that friend that asks you to help move furnature and use your truck/gas and then gives you a six pack at the end of the day as a reward.

I'll probably try siding w/ Jowan and try being an honest friend to him on this AW. 

LMAO! They needed a mage that went through the harrowing and I feel as though they used my PC. I don't hate Jowan, but he aint my friend afer all that.
If I do a lot of pausing, I CTD as well. Sadly I prefer to pause, I just can't.

Modifié par cmessaz, 27 avril 2010 - 07:49 .

[Kmead15]

AnniLau wrote...

Kmead15 wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

Heeey.. I adore Jowan >.<

Well, I can't say I adore him, but I'm one of the few who doesn't hate his guts. High five?

I just started my third mage a few nights ago and, rather than ratting him out to Irving like I did with the other two, I took his side this time and genuinely tried to help him. Oddly, I found Jowan far less annoying with this approach than I had when I was setting him up. It also made Gregoir's tantrum and my PC subsequently leaving the Circle for the Wardens make more sense.

I was still mad that Jowan lied about the blood mage thing though. <_<

That's what I normally do, though I have betrayed him just to see what it was like. It was kind of fun seeing Irving's cold-blooded side.

[Lady Jess]

Well, apparently one shouldn't typo "absolutely" and miss the O...lol

[Aisynia]

AnniLau wrote...

Kmead15 wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

Heeey.. I adore Jowan >.<

Well, I can't say I adore him, but I'm one of the few who doesn't hate his guts. High five?

I just started my third mage a few nights ago and, rather than ratting him out to Irving like I did with the other two, I took his side this time and genuinely tried to help him. Oddly, I found Jowan far less annoying with this approach than I had when I was setting him up. It also made Gregoir's tantrum and my PC subsequently leaving the Circle for the Wardens make more sense.

I was still mad that Jowan lied about the blood mage thing though. <_<

Of course he lied, admitting that you dabbled in blood magic is a death sentence. He did it primarily because he thought it might give him an edge in escaping, though I doubt what ultimately happened is what he had in mind. He panicked.

Serissia wrote..

Jowan is the equivalent of that friend
that asks you to help move furnature and use your truck/gas and then
gives you a six pack at the end of the day as a reward.

A friend is a friend. Storywise, you grew up with him, and have been close enough friends for long enough for Jowan to talk about you non-stop to Lily. He obviously admires you, and he never wanted anything bad for you and Lily. Things went south, it happens. It isn't good, and it was very stupid on his part, but he was fighting for his freedom, and his soul.

I was glad to help him, I wasn't about to let them make him tranquil, it's a crime against humanity.

He was my PC's friend for 15 years or more and they spent a lot of time together.. yes he screwed up hard, but he's still my friend and I will still support him, which is why I release him from the dungeon later almost every time. Friends stick together, no matter what.

Jowan is a good person who made some terrible mistakes. I am willing to give him a second chance.. if only I could conscript him and give him a real opporitunity to prove himself...

Modifié par Aisynia, 27 avril 2010 - 07:55 .

[Serissia]

Thinking about it I can almost justify Alistair's reaction to his mistress in Awakening. Using The Tudors as an example, I mean pretty much all of Henry's advisers knew what was going on. The knights w/ Alistair would of been his elite guard and sworn to die for him if necessary. They'd hardly be the type to run their mouths about wear/who he's playing hide the sausage w/. The people with your PC are soon to be Wardens under her command. Even if they ran back to Denerim who's going to believe a Warden over the King himself who is also a Warden. The mistress actually has kind of a sweet deal really.

[Lady Jess]

Aisynia wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

Kmead15 wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

Heeey.. I adore Jowan >.<

Well, I can't say I adore him, but I'm one of the few who doesn't hate his guts. High five?

I just started my third mage a few nights ago and, rather than ratting him out to Irving like I did with the other two, I took his side this time and genuinely tried to help him. Oddly, I found Jowan far less annoying with this approach than I had when I was setting him up. It also made Gregoir's tantrum and my PC subsequently leaving the Circle for the Wardens make more sense.

I was still mad that Jowan lied about the blood mage thing though. <_<

Of course he lied, admitting that you dabbled in blood magic is a death sentence. He did it primarily because he thought it might give him an edge in escaping, though I doubt what ultimately happened is what he had in mind. He panicked.

Serissia wrote..

Jowan is the equivalent of that friend
that asks you to help move furnature and use your truck/gas and then
gives you a six pack at the end of the day as a reward.

A friend is a friend. Storywise, you grew up with him, and have been close enough friends for long enough for Jowan to talk about you non-stop to Lily. He obviously admires you, and he never wanted anything bad for you and Lily. Things went south, it happens. It isn't good, and it was very stupid on his part, but he was fighting for his freedom, and his soul.

I was glad to help him, I wasn't about to let them make him tranquil, it's a crime against humanity.

He was my PC's friend for 15 years or more and they spent a lot of time together.. yes he screwed up hard, but he's still my friend and I will still support him, which is why I release him from the dungeon later almost every time. Friends stick together, no matter what.

Jowan is a good person who made some terrible mistakes. I am willing to give him a second chance.. if only I could conscript him and give him a real opporitunity to prove himself...

Thats how I played it this time. It actually softened my previous opinion of him. Plus he tells you you are mad powerful, and could take on anyone...lol

[Aisynia]

Serissia wrote...

Thinking about it I can almost justify Alistair's reaction to his mistress in Awakening. Using The Tudors as an example, I mean pretty much all of Henry's advisers knew what was going on. The knights w/ Alistair would of been his elite guard and sworn to die for him if necessary. They'd hardly be the type to run their mouths about wear/who he's playing hide the sausage w/. The people with your PC are soon to be Wardens under her command. Even if they ran back to Denerim who's going to believe a Warden over the King himself who is also a Warden. The mistress actually has kind of a sweet deal really.

I'm a little confused.

Though lol @ hide the sausage.

[LadyDamodred]

Serissia wrote...

Thinking about it I can almost justify Alistair's reaction to his mistress in Awakening. Using The Tudors as an example, I mean pretty much all of Henry's advisers knew what was going on. The knights w/ Alistair would of been his elite guard and sworn to die for him if necessary. They'd hardly be the type to run their mouths about wear/who he's playing hide the sausage w/. The people with your PC are soon to be Wardens under her command. Even if they ran back to Denerim who's going to believe a Warden over the King himself who is also a Warden. The mistress actually has kind of a sweet deal really.

Also keep in mind, Alistair does not appear to be married yet.  So, basically, it's him just reuniting with his lover.  Not really anything earthshattering.  I assume most people know what's going on between the two of you.

[Serissia]

Aisynia wrote...
A friend is a friend. Storywise, you grew up with him, and have been close enough friends for long enough for Jowan to talk about you non-stop to Lily. He obviously admires you, and he never wanted anything bad for you and Lily. Things went south, it happens. It isn't good, and it was very stupid on his part, but he was fighting for his freedom, and his soul.

I was glad to help him, I wasn't about to let them make him tranquil, it's a crime against humanity.

He was my PC's friend for 15 years or more and they spent a lot of time together.. yes he screwed up hard, but he's still my friend and I will still support him, which is why I release him from the dungeon later almost every time. Friends stick together, no matter what.

Jowan is a good person who made some terrible mistakes. I am willing to give him a second chance.. if only I could conscript him and give him a real opporitunity to prove himself...

In the PC version does the followup quest for letting him out of the dungeon actually work correctly? 

I can understand your PoV but I don't agree with it.  It seems that Jowan is a capable mage as far as actual spell casting goes.  If he worked harder and didn't drabble in the forbidden arts he probably would of made it to the Harrowing.  It couldn't of all been based on personality since Godwin made it through to be a mage and he was a coward/dick supersized combo too. 

As far as the Tranquil would it be more humane to simply end their lives?  If the mage in question isn't able to control his magic or only has a slight aptitude he/she is essentially a flashing neon sign reading 24 hr demon buffett.  Additionally the Codex has a story about a Tranquil being basically happy though I suppose content would be a better word.  Also Owen and some of the other Tranquil the PC meets seem content in their lot in life. 

Modifié par Serissia, 27 avril 2010 - 08:14 .

[Serissia]

Aisynia wrote...
I'm a little confused.

Though lol @ hide the sausage.

A while back there was a conversation regarding Alistair's discreetness or more importantly lack there of in Awakening regarding his mistress during the cameo. 

Basically my point is that Alistair's guard and the PC's Wardens would have no reason to really say anything about the subject if asked. 

Sorry if that didn't make sense... I smoked too much but I digress.

[SurelyForth]

Having played Awakening a few times has given me a (well-documented) fondness for Anders and, in turn, has made me re-evaluate Jowan's situation a bit. I always play my mages as being the sorts who excelled at their studies and sucked up because they knew the only way they would ever have a chance of getting some time or a position away from the Circle was by being awesome. Thus, Jowan's idea is idiotic and puts her own tenuous position as Irving's Pet in peril.

I don't think the utter hopelessness of Jowan's situation ever occurred to me until Anders talked about being in solitary confinement for a year simply for escaping, and not for any other illicit activities. Jowan isn't a bad person, he's just a man trapped in a terrible system who makes horrible decisions in order to maybe make his life suck less. This time, my F Amell is going to side with him.

I can't even really blame him for lying. Admitting to being a Blood Mage, even to a PC who wouldn't tell anyone, is still a one-way ticket to Tranquility Lane. The Tower sees all and knows all.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 27 avril 2010 - 08:16 .

[cmessaz]

Jowan lies and uses you. Again I don't hate him. But even if you go back and talk to him, you ask him about being a blood mage and you can say that you don't have a problem with blood magic and he STILL lies to you. Thats what gets me I guess.

[SurelyForth]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Also keep in mind, Alistair does not appear to be married yet.  So, basically, it's him just reuniting with his lover.  Not really anything earthshattering.  I assume most people know what's going on between the two of you.

Unless he's married to Anora, in which case the PC is not so much keeping her end of that little bargain.

[Kmead15]

Aisynia wrote...

Of course he lied, admitting that you dabbled in blood magic is a death sentence. He did it primarily because he thought it might give him an edge in escaping, though I doubt what ultimately happened is what he had in mind. He panicked.

A friend is a friend. Storywise, you grew up with him, and have been close enough friends for long enough for Jowan to talk about you non-stop to Lily. He obviously admires you, and he never wanted anything bad for you and Lily. Things went south, it happens. It isn't good, and it was very stupid on his part, but he was fighting for his freedom, and his soul.

I was glad to help him, I wasn't about to let them make him tranquil, it's a crime against humanity.

He was my PC's friend for 15 years or more and they spent a lot of time together.. yes he screwed up hard, but he's still my friend and I will still support him, which is why I release him from the dungeon later almost every time. Friends stick together, no matter what.

Jowan is a good person who made some terrible mistakes. I am willing to give him a second chance.. if only I could conscript him and give him a real opporitunity to prove himself...

According to what I remember in the toolset, when you execute Jowan you have a chance to ask why he turned to blood magic. He admits the primary reason is because he was jealous of you. If you believe what he says, he'd actually given it up before he learned he needed to run. That means he only took it back up in that scene with Lily and the Templars. 

As for the rest of it, that's how my mage saw it. She would have volunteered to help before being asked if the option had been present, and she also let him out of the dungeon. Personally, however, I often get the urge to smack him for always managing to make the stupidest decision.

Serissia wrote...
In the PC version does the followup quest for letting him out of the dungeon actually work correctly?  

I can understand your PoV but I don't agree with it.  It seems that Jowan is a capable mage as far as actual spell casting goes.  If he worked harder and didn't drabble in the forbidden arts he probably would of made it to the Harrowing.  It couldn't of all been based on personality since Godwin made it through to be a mage and he was a coward/dick supersized combo too.  

As far as the Tranquil would it be more human to simply end their lives?  If the mage in question isn't able to control his mage or only has a slight aptitude he/she is essentially a flashing neon sign reading 24 hr demon buffett.  Additionally the Codex has a story about a Tranquil being basically happy though I suppose content would be a better word.  Also Owen and some of the other Tranquil the PC meets seem content in their lot in life.  

Follow up quest doesn't work. You can start the quest, but the location never appears on the map. You can get around this using the console, however.

As for the Tranquil, I think it depends. Many mages choose to become Tranquil rather than even *risking* death, but Jowan makes it clear he doesn't see much difference. I don't either, so I guess the kindest thing might be to give potential Tranquils the choice.

Edit: Because there's not nearly enough Alistair right now.

Modifié par Kmead15, 27 avril 2010 - 08:19 .

[Serissia]

SurelyForth wrote...
Unless he's married to Anora, in which case the PC is not so much keeping her end of that little bargain.

NO, just no... how could anyone be so cruel as to marry poor Alistair to that heartless skank.

[Aisynia]

Serissia wrote...

Aisynia wrote...
A friend is a friend. Storywise, you grew up with him, and have been close enough friends for long enough for Jowan to talk about you non-stop to Lily. He obviously admires you, and he never wanted anything bad for you and Lily. Things went south, it happens. It isn't good, and it was very stupid on his part, but he was fighting for his freedom, and his soul.

I was glad to help him, I wasn't about to let them make him tranquil, it's a crime against humanity.

He was my PC's friend for 15 years or more and they spent a lot of time together.. yes he screwed up hard, but he's still my friend and I will still support him, which is why I release him from the dungeon later almost every time. Friends stick together, no matter what.

Jowan is a good person who made some terrible mistakes. I am willing to give him a second chance.. if only I could conscript him and give him a real opporitunity to prove himself...

In the PC version does the followup quest for letting him out of the dungeon actually work correctly? 

I can understand your PoV but I don't agree with it.  It seems that Jowan is a capable mage as far as actual spell casting goes.  If he worked harder and didn't drabble in the forbidden arts he probably would of made it to the Harrowing.  It couldn't of all been based on personality since Godwin made it through to be a mage and he was a coward/dick supersized combo too. 

As far as the Tranquil would it be more human to simply end their lives?  If the mage in question isn't able to control his mage or only has a slight aptitude he/she is essentially a flashing neon sign reading 24 hr demon buffett.  Additionally the Codex has a story about a Tranquil being basically happy though I suppose content would be a better word.  Also Owen and some of the other Tranquil the PC meets seem content in their lot in life. 

You can get to the quest with a console command on the PC and complete it. He's acquitted himself admirably and really done a lot to atone.

To quote Avernus "Short-sighted men have forbidden my research, not any god".

Like almost ANY tool, Blood Magic can be used for some really amazing, humanitarian things, or it can be used to corrupt and kill. Additionallity, it's the chantry's oppressive vice-grip on the mages that causes most people to even turn to it, and is more or less responsible for the mess with Uldred.

And the Tranquil feel nothing. Absolutely nothing. They rob you of your emotions-- ambitions, hopes, love.. all gone. Stolen, and often against your will. If someone wants to be Tranquil, fine, but forcing it on them is just horrid. It's a crime against humanity.

As for what I would prefer? I would prefer the Circle be run in an entirely different way. As it stands, it's a giant prison where you put people just for being born who they are. If they are too weak or not experienced enough, you kill them or steal their soul instead of training them further, tempering them, helping them.

It's a horrid, horrid place run by a horrid organization.

[SurelyForth]

Serissia wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...
Unless he's married to Anora, in which case the PC is not so much keeping her end of that little bargain.

NO, just no... how could anyone be so cruel as to marry poor Alistair to that heartless skank.

I think it's a "better the devil you know" scenario for some, while others can appreciate that Anora/Hardened Alistair is the best scenario for Ferelden.

[cmessaz]

Look at Avernus! Still alive and a grey warden. Good news for the wardens if blood magic could be used!

As far as the Anora/Alistair combo, I don't understand how this is best for Ferelden. She is a heartless lying backstabbing skank. But thats just personal opinion I guess.

Modifié par cmessaz, 27 avril 2010 - 08:21 .

[LadyDamodred]

SurelyForth wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Also keep in mind, Alistair does not appear to be married yet.  So, basically, it's him just reuniting with his lover.  Not really anything earthshattering.  I assume most people know what's going on between the two of you.

Unless he's married to Anora, in which case the PC is not so much keeping her end of that little bargain.

I prefer not to think of Alistair and Anora being married.

[Serissia]

The biggest problem I see in the Dragon Age world is there's absolutely currently no happy medium as far as magic goes. The closest thing to it would be Rivain with its seers, wise women and hedge mages. Beyond that it's either Tevinter Imperium where mages still rule the over the country with an iron fist or the Circle Towers. Personally though if I had to chose even as playing a Mage it would be the latter. Allowing mages to access to unlimited resources and magic didn't exactly work out well for the world as a whole considering what happened in ancient Tevinter.

[Aisynia]

cmessaz wrote...

Look at Avernus! Still alive and a grey warden. Good news for the wardens if blood magic could be used!

Exactly. I made a thread about that actually He's estimated to be at least 230 years old.

As far as the Anora/Alistair combo, I don't understand how this is best for Ferelden. She is a heartless lying backstabbing skank. But thats just personal opinion I guess.

She's a good politician, and he (hardened) tempers her more harsh tendencies. They actually make an excellent ruling team.

Also, it's actually the best solution if you decide to go the mistress route IMO. If you have Alistair rule alone, you don't know who he is going to marry. It could be someone he could actually love. At least with Anora, you know what you're getting, and you also know they can barely tolerate each other