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[cmessaz]

Well I just won't do the mistress ending. I hate Anora.

[nos_astra]

LadyDamodred wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Also keep in mind, Alistair does not appear to be married yet.  So, basically, it's him just reuniting with his lover.  Not really anything earthshattering.  I assume most people know what's going on between the two of you.

Unless he's married to Anora, in which case the PC is not so much keeping her end of that little bargain.

I prefer not to think of Alistair and Anora being married.

Yeah, being King is punishment enough. Who wants a life in a gilded cage anyway?
Ferelden will have to live without a Golden Age.

Edit: Alistair is my damsel in distress, he needs to be saved or protected - or sent away into a miserable life full of ale, so I can save him from that (at least in my mind).

Modifié par klarabella, 27 avril 2010 - 08:34 .

[cmessaz]

Amen, klarabella. My HNM is going to keep Leliana on the side this next time. Cause Anora is such a witch.

Modifié par cmessaz, 27 avril 2010 - 08:33 .

[Herr Uhl]

Yeah, who cares about the thousands of people whose lives could improve, Alastair would be sad!

[cmessaz]

I don't see how marrying the witch would improve lives.

[LadyDamodred]

I think Alistair will do just fine without Anora, and I cannot marry him to that Queen of the Harpies. >.> Plus, Anora always betrays my ass on non-HNF chars, so she doesn't trust her with the throne or with Alistair.

[Serissia]

Taking into the consideration the mistress route and the fact he HATES Anora actually is making me consider it. As far as it possibly improving Ferelden, hardened Alistair is actually a very good ruler. Unless I totally missed what that comment was actually in regards to which is possible.

[Addai]

Aisynia wrote...
As for what I would prefer? I would prefer the Circle be run in an entirely different way. As it stands, it's a giant prison where you put people just for being born who they are. If they are too weak or not experienced enough, you kill them or steal their soul instead of training them further, tempering them, helping them.

It's a horrid, horrid place run by a horrid organization.

+1 to everything you wrote.  That's how I see it.  Even if magic was used for evil, and mages can be susceptible to demons, none of it justifies the oppressive system the Chantry devised to temper them and keep mages' powers for their own uses.

My previous mage I played as having been torn screaming from her mother's arms, and hating every minute of her life in the Tower (as she tells Wynne).  This one I picture as one of many children packed into a tenement home in the alienage, whose parents are glad to be rid of one less mouth to feed, and who finds the Circle to be a haven at first because at least she has enough to eat there and isn't being sent out to beg.  So she's got a bit of Stockholm syndrome, and is even an Andrastian.  The experience of becoming a Grey Warden, going back to the alienage, meeting the Dalish etc. will wake her up a bit to the larger realities.

Modifié par Addai67, 27 avril 2010 - 08:38 .

[thegreateski]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Yeah, who cares about the thousands of people whose lives could improve, Alastair would be sad!

Poor Alistair! He never gets to do what he wants or talk about himself!

The only thing anyone ever talks about around Alistair is themselves. The poor guy never has a chance to vent his frustrations.

[Herr Uhl]

See the "Ferelden will have to live without it's golden age". In a golden age, I would assume that the conditions for people would improve, more than in a regular age.

[cmessaz]

Addai I bet Wynne ripped you a new one, huh? I have never said that to her. Then again I try to talk to her as little as possible.

Modifié par cmessaz, 27 avril 2010 - 08:40 .

[nos_astra]

Herr Uhl wrote...
Yeah, who cares about the thousands of people whose lives could improve, Alastair would be sad!

Would be sad  or dead or exiled.

What was your point?

Modifié par klarabella, 27 avril 2010 - 08:40 .

[Kmead15]

Serissia wrote...

The biggest problem I see in the Dragon Age world is there's absolutely currently no happy medium as far as magic goes. The closest thing to it would be Rivain with its seers, wise women and hedge mages. Beyond that it's either Tevinter Imperium where mages still rule the over the country with an iron fist or the Circle Towers. Personally though if I had to chose even as playing a Mage it would be the latter. Allowing mages to access to unlimited resources and magic didn't exactly work out well for the world as a whole considering what happened in ancient Tevinter.

You forgot Sten's option! Cut out their tongues and put them on leashes!

I agree that the mages do need oversight. In Redcliffe, the Circle Tower, and with the Dalish, all the trouble is started by a mage. I think it's stated in the Codex that a Greater Pride Demon crossing over would threaten the entire world. Leaving them completely on their own would spell disaster, even if you don't believe the Chantry's story about the darkspawn.

On the other hand, the Chantry does seem to take things too far.

[thegreateski]

klarabella wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...
Yeah, who cares about the thousands of people whose lives could improve, Alastair would be sad!

Would be sad  or dead or exiled.

What was your point?

Or in Grey Warden paradise.

[cmessaz]

Swords can be dangerous in the wrong hands, just like magic. Granted more damage could be caused by a mage, but oppression just makes the need to rebel worse, causing more people to take drastic measures.Connor allows the demon in because he was untrained since Isolde was afraid of losing her son. She wouldn't have been afraid if it wasn't for the chantry, and Connor would likely had been given proper instruction.

Modifié par cmessaz, 27 avril 2010 - 08:44 .

[Addai]

cmessaz wrote...

Addai I bet Wynne ripped you a new one, huh? I have never said that to her. Then again I try to talk to her as little as possible.

Heh, well it's better than being a char stain on the Circle floor, which is how she nearly ended up.  LOL  But yes, Wynne and my blood mage did not get along.  If I had somehow gotten Wynne's approval high enough for her to meet Aneirin- and hear Wynne telling him he should go back to the Circle- things would have gone downhill from there.

[Herr Uhl]

klarabella wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...
Yeah, who cares about the thousands of people whose lives could improve, Alastair would be sad!

Would be sad  or dead or exiled.

What was your point?

I meant it as having Anora marry Alastair vs Alastair ruling alone. I might have misunderstood though, since I don't know where the dead and exiled comes in.

[Serissia]

Nope, thought about it and I still can't marry Alistair to Anora. Sex w/ Anora is think is worse than sex w/ Morrigan for the DR. How could I possible ask that poor man to do both.



I just don't see the whole mages should be free to do anything they want regardless of the fact their own greed/stupidity damned the whole world until the last of the Old Gods as an Archdemon falls. They deserve more freedom that's true enough. The system in place now is also ineffectual to say the least. Mages should be allowed to run around pew pewing and melting faces till their heart's content w/o any supervision; that I can't buy.

[cmessaz]

Man I want to side with the Templars the next time through, but I don't know if I can bring myself to do it.

[Addai]

Herr Uhl wrote...

See the "Ferelden will have to live without it's golden age". In a golden age, I would assume that the conditions for people would improve, more than in a regular age.

There's no way for your PC to know this.  As far as we know, Anora has presided over the country descending into civil war and nearly being destroyed by a Blight.  Not exactly an advertisement for her mad queen skillz.

My Dalish warden set up the marriage to Anora, but since Alistair dueled Loghain and then took his head, Anora herself decided there would be no golden age.

[Serissia]

Addai67 wrote...
There's no way for your PC to know this.  As far as we know, Anora has presided over the country descending into civil war and nearly being destroyed by a Blight.  Not exactly an advertisement for her mad queen skillz.

My Dalish warden set up the marriage to Anora, but since Alistair dueled Loghain and then took his head, Anora herself decided there would be no golden age.

Not to mention her daddy love issues makes her not stand up to him even after he basically admits to her that he killed her husband. 

This call for an ANORA'S SECRET link!

[Aisynia]

Addai67 wrote...

Aisynia wrote...
As for what I would prefer? I would prefer the Circle be run in an entirely different way. As it stands, it's a giant prison where you put people just for being born who they are. If they are too weak or not experienced enough, you kill them or steal their soul instead of training them further, tempering them, helping them.

It's a horrid, horrid place run by a horrid organization.

+1 to everything you wrote.  That's how I see it.  Even if magic was used for evil, and mages can be susceptible to demons, none of it justifies the oppressive system the Chantry devised to temper them and keep mages' powers for their own uses.

My previous mage I played as having been torn screaming from her mother's arms, and hating every minute of her life in the Tower (as she tells Wynne).  This one I picture as one of many children packed into a tenement home in the alienage, whose parents are glad to be rid of one less mouth to feed, and who finds the Circle to be a haven at first because at least she has enough to eat there and isn't being sent out to beg.  So she's got a bit of Stockholm syndrome, and is even an Andrastian.  The experience of becoming a Grey Warden, going back to the alienage, meeting the Dalish etc. will wake her up a bit to the larger realities.

I like the conversation you can have with Anders regarding the way the Chantry treats mages.

That said, most of my characters are Andrastians, but they are Andrastians more like how Leliana is, not how the chantry is.. they are very different things. One is a simple and beautiful faith (if not a bit crazy in the right ways). the other is an oppressive regime. The Chantry does good things, caring for orphans and such, but it does a lot of terrible things too. I think it's exalted march days are largely behind it, which is good (though I don't blame them for the ones on the Qunari, was kind of self defense), the way they continue to oppress mages and hunt down apostates like animals sickens me.

[KnightofPhoenix]

"Ferelden has to live without a Golden Age"

Yes, of course. Anything for Alistair.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 27 avril 2010 - 08:54 .

[thegreateski]

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

See the "Ferelden will have to live without it's golden age". In a golden age, I would assume that the conditions for people would improve, more than in a regular age.

There's no way for your PC to know this.  As far as we know, Anora has presided over the country descending into civil war and nearly being destroyed by a Blight.  Not exactly an advertisement for her mad queen skillz.

My Dalish warden set up the marriage to Anora, but since Alistair dueled Loghain and then took his head, Anora herself decided there would be no golden age.

Eh. She was the one ruling the country before Cailan died. The whole Civil war and Darkspawn problem is Loghain's fault.

[mellifera]

Hm. I don't think that's it. I just think Ferelden having a good future is not dependent on Anora being on the throne.