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[Lady Jess]

Also...Squeeeeeee!! I'm glad I ravaged him first now, I thought I'd regret not hearing the awkward conversation but I get it anyhow.

[Gilsa]

Oh, wait, that swooping kiss thing -- is that only for humans? Just asking because the lion's share of mods don't really go out of their way to include dwarves. (Harrumph.) Just wanted to make sure it's human only before I dismiss this mod as another useless one for me.

[tmp7704]

yukidama wrote...

It's ok, apparently my elf was only in it to distract him long enough to steal his kidney.

Gah like i feared, the change in proportions can affect some animations like that. Will have to look into fixing that one and possibly the others tomorrow, some sleep first.

[SurelyForth]

yukidama wrote...

The "Especially because of that." line strikes me as weird. There's something that makes me uncomfortable about it.

I haaaaaaaaate that line. Hate. I've already expressed my discomfort with it, so I won't go into it again but...hate.

[tmp7704]

Gilsa wrote...

Oh, wait, that swooping kiss thing -- is that only for humans? Just asking because the lion's share of mods don't really go out of their way to include dwarves. (Harrumph.) Just wanted to make sure it's human only before I dismiss this mod as another useless one for me.

Nope, it works for all. They use single cutscene for all races for that part, so all get affected by the change.

[LadyDamodred]

SurelyForth wrote...

yukidama wrote...

The "Especially because of that." line strikes me as weird. There's something that makes me uncomfortable about it.

I haaaaaaaaate that line. Hate. I've already expressed my discomfort with it, so I won't go into it again but...hate.

*lols at how dejected Zevran looks in the background*  Like, oh Maker, please won't someone please make Alistair put on some pants?

[Aisynia]

tmp7704 wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

What EXACT scene is it? Do I need to take a specific dialogue course? I am going to install it but I want to make sure not to miss it in this case

It happens in the conversation with Alistair where he tries to find out if you care for him like he does for you, the one which starts with "will you miss it all once we're done" if i remember right. If you tell him it's too soon to tell yet he does the swooping. The modified bit is in the part after fadeout/fadein, it's just the PC is left visibly a littel off-balance by the swooping action.

Thank you.

[mellifera]

tmp7704 wrote...

yukidama wrote...

It's ok, apparently my elf was only in it to distract him long enough to steal his kidney.

Gah like i feared, the change in proportions can affect some animations like that. Will have to look into fixing that one and possibly the others tomorrow, some sleep first.

Aaaaah, I hadn't thought about that. Yes, sleep is good. I feel I must constantly tell you that you are awesome for doing this stuff in the first place, because you really are

[Aisynia]

LadyDamodred wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

yukidama wrote...

The "Especially because of that." line strikes me as weird. There's something that makes me uncomfortable about it.

I haaaaaaaaate that line. Hate. I've already expressed my discomfort with it, so I won't go into it again but...hate.

*lols at how dejected Zevran looks in the background*  Like, oh Maker, please won't someone please make Alistair put on some pants?

Zevran probably likes pantsless Alistair.

[Gilsa]

tmp7704 wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

Oh, wait, that swooping kiss thing -- is that only for humans? Just asking because the lion's share of mods don't really go out of their way to include dwarves. (Harrumph.) Just wanted to make sure it's human only before I dismiss this mod as another useless one for me.

Nope, it works for all. They use single cutscene for all races for that part, so all get affected by the change.

!!!

OK, need to send my husband out for pizza or something so I can check this out. Why oh why must our computers be in the same room?? =p (I already know the real answer: he likes being in the same room with me and has said as much. Heh. )

[LadyDamodred]

Aisynia wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

yukidama wrote...

The "Especially because of that." line strikes me as weird. There's something that makes me uncomfortable about it.

I haaaaaaaaate that line. Hate. I've already expressed my discomfort with it, so I won't go into it again but...hate.

*lols at how dejected Zevran looks in the background*  Like, oh Maker, please won't someone please make Alistair put on some pants?

Zevran probably likes pantsless Alistair.

I think after awhile even Zevran gets tired of it.  XD

[Jean]

Zevran get tired of naked Alistair?



Gasp.

[Lady Jess]

That whole conversation...whether he asks you to his tent or tells you all that gushy stuff, do you have to do his quest first? or redcliffe?

[Axekix]

SurelyForth wrote...

yukidama wrote...

The "Especially because of that." line strikes me as weird. There's something that makes me uncomfortable about it.

I haaaaaaaaate that line. Hate. I've already expressed my discomfort with it, so I won't go into it again but...hate.

Hmm, never heard that.  Out of curiosity, what's the issue with it exactly?

[Thor Rand Al]

So um I'm curious about something.  During Alistair's giving the rose speech where he says "if we could move right on past this awkward, embarrassing stage and get right to the steamy bits,"  And you say ok off with the armor and he makes that joke about seeing past his bluff, and one of your options is saying how cute he looks when he's being bashful.  Has anyone done the other option where you say, who said I was bluffing?  Just curious what his response is.

[mellifera]

Axekix wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

yukidama wrote...

The "Especially because of that." line strikes me as weird. There's something that makes me uncomfortable about it.

I haaaaaaaaate that line. Hate. I've already expressed my discomfort with it, so I won't go into it again but...hate.

Hmm, never heard that.  Out of curiosity, what's the issue with it exactly?

I dunno. I think it bothers me more with elves because of their fetishization at the hands of humans. The whole Vaughan thing and what Leliana says about humans keeping them around because they're pleasant to look at just makes it seem kind of creepy if you see the line in that context.

But it just doesn't seem like Alistair to basically say "I want to do you because elves/dwarves are totally hawtt and exotic~~~" so I am willing to consider that it's not intended in that way.

Modifié par yukidama, 29 avril 2010 - 02:52 .

[Jean]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

So um I'm curious about something.  During Alistair's giving the rose speech where he says "if we could move right on past this awkward, embarrassing stage and get right to the steamy bits,"  And you say ok off with the armor and he makes that joke about seeing past his bluff, and one of your options is saying how cute he looks when he's being bashful.  Has anyone done the other option where you say, who said I was bluffing?  Just curious what his response is.

He says something along the lines of "Well... it doesn't HAVE to be a bluff"
It also depends if you're at camp or not too, he says something else after that.

[Gilsa]

LOL. I always pick the "why must it be a bluff" option. It's the BEST.

PC: Why must it be a bluff?
A: Well, it doesn't have to be a bluff. (waggling his eyebrows suggestively)
(If in party) A: It's just that we're, ah... not alone. That works as an excuse, no?
(if not at camp) A: Maybe when we're back at camp some night. You know. In a tent?
(if at camp) A: Well, I suppose we are in the camp. The tent's... right over there. This is true.

PC: No time like the present, then!
A: I'll be... Laughs nervously I'll be standing over here. Until the blushing stops. Just to be, uh, safe. You know how it is.

OR

PC: You're so cute when you're bashful.
A: I'll be... Laughs nervously I'll be standing over here. Until the blushing stops. Just to be, uh, safe. You know how it is.

OR

PC: Oh, never mind then.
A: I feel very manly. Yup. I'm pretty sure that's what it is. And I'll go do it... over there. Excuse me. (laughing but also blushing and awkward)

Modifié par Gilsa, 29 avril 2010 - 02:53 .

[Axekix]

yukidama wrote...

Axekix wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

yukidama wrote...

The "Especially because of that." line strikes me as weird. There's something that makes me uncomfortable about it.

I haaaaaaaaate that line. Hate. I've already expressed my discomfort with it, so I won't go into it again but...hate.

Hmm, never heard that.  Out of curiosity, what's the issue with it exactly?

I dunno. I think it bothers me more with elves because of their fetishization at the hands of humans. The whole Vaughan thing and what Leliana says about humans keeping them around because they're pleasant to look at just makes it seem kind of creepy if you see the line in that context.

But it just doesn't seem like Alistair to say "I want to do you because elves/dwarves are totally hawtt and exotic~~~" so I am willing to consider that it's not intended in that way.

Ahhh I see.  Actually thanks for pointing that out, I'm playing a CEF atm so that def gives a bit of perspective if I get that line.

What a jerk!

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I think he says it because his experiences with humans have been less than stellar, and he's getting more aggro from humans than non-humans. I don't think it's a particular elf/dwarf fetish.

[Thor Rand Al]

Gilsa wrote...

LOL. I always pick the "why must it be a bluff" option. It's the BEST.

PC: Why must it be a bluff?
A: Well, it doesn't have to be a bluff. (waggling his eyebrows suggestively)
(If in party) A: It's just that we're, ah... not alone. That works as an excuse, no?
(if not at camp) A: Maybe when we're back at camp some night. You know. In a tent?
(if at camp) A: Well, I suppose we are in the camp. The tent's... right over there. This is true.

PC: No time like the present, then!
A: I'll be... Laughs nervously I'll be standing over here. Until the blushing stops. Just to be, uh, safe. You know how it is.

OR

PC: You're so cute when you're bashful.
A: I'll be... Laughs nervously I'll be standing over here. Until the blushing stops. Just to be, uh, safe. You know how it is.

OR

PC: Oh, never mind then.
A: I feel very manly. Yup. I'm pretty sure that's what it is. And I'll go do it... over there. Excuse me. (laughing but also blushing and awkward)

I'll have to try that "why must it be a bluff" next time, it sounds so cute lol.  I always do the "your so cute when your bashful" line

[Aisynia]

I always do the "why must if be a bluff" deal



I keep wishing I can seduce him there...

[SurelyForth]

Axekix wrote...

Hmm, never heard that.  Out of curiosity, what's the issue with it exactly?

Well, my issue with it is this: I heard it first as a CEF, an origin where it is made abundantly clear that elven women are allowed to be raped with no implied repercussions (outside of "Oh sh!t, that man elf brought a sword!"). It is also pointed out in several other places that elven women (and men) are viewed as sex objects; exotic others who can be used for pleasure but who have no place in proper society, or who have few rights or avenues to deal with such actions against them.

So, as a CEF, when Alistair propositioned her and she asked if he wanted to be with her even though she wasn't human, and he says "especially because of that" it sent up huge red flags. The last thing she needed was him to indicate that he wanted her because she was an elf, because that was why men like Vaughan wanted her.

For a dwarf, it doesn't bother me nearly as much because there's not the underlying issue of subjugation between dwarves and humans. For a human male to say that to an elf, especially a city elf, is utterly tone deaf and a bit creepy.

That's my take. It's been pointed out that the PC should know by then that Alistair cares about her in a genuine way, and I know he says it to hand wave any concerns that the PC has about their coupling, but it still makes me quite irrationally angry.   

[Thor Rand Al]

I've always been leary about choosing the "why must it be a bluff" line for fear of getting a negative response back lol. Here he is trying to be all sweet n romantic and I accidently say something that negates the scene lol

[Sarah1281]

The "Especially because of that." line strikes me as weird. There's something that makes me uncomfortable about it.

Well, if she's an elf it's probably just genetic predisposition. Not sure about the dwarf, though.

Edit: Oh, top of page...

Modifié par Sarah1281, 29 avril 2010 - 03:03 .