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[cmessaz]

Ladydamodred: Thanks for the happy Alistair! I need a smile after that Loghain nonsense. *thinks of Wynne at RTO* Now my smiles replaced with gagging.

[Addai]

Gilsa wrote...

Maybe dubious was the wrong choice of word for me to pick. Apprehensive, maybe?

Ah, well that would fit with him complaining about Dog snapping at him for getting too close to his food.  I love the Alistair-Dog bits in camp, that one when you can say "are you jumping at the sight of your own shadow again?" and the one where you can tell Dog "don't listen to Alistair, he's full of rubbish."  That's the sort of ribbing that A. takes well.
Not even going to comment on Loghain screenshots.  Sick bastard.  (ok, a little comment )

Modifié par Addai67, 12 avril 2010 - 10:02 .

[LadyDamodred]

Eh, I just take Wynne's teasing with a grain of salt. I like how flustered it makes Alistair. He is terribly cute like that.



*is still looking for a proof-reader*

[sami jo]

klarabella wrote...

sami jo wrote...
He is the variety of leader who would kill one innocent to save a dozen others without much remorse, but wouldn't kill an innocent for fun.  I think that is how Loghain started, but the line between what was morally acceptable to preserve the masses and what wasn't  all but disappeared for him.

Very good post. Especially this part is exactly what I think about Loghain. And I always have a feeling if you have Loghain killed at the Landsmeet you've already made one little step down the road Loghain went. Maric made some steps down that road, too.

I really hate that killing him or losing Alister are your only options.  Killing someone in front of his daughter after he has submitted just feels wrong, particularly since an argument could be made that saving him would help unite the nation when it is most necessary.  I understand Alistairs desire for vengeance, but I'm not so sure it is something I would want to encourage in the man I am putting on the throne.

[cmessaz]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Eh, I just take Wynne's teasing with a grain of salt. I like how flustered it makes Alistair. He is terribly cute like that.

*is still looking for a proof-reader*

I just don't like her. I don't know why. Someday I will side with the Templars! Someday! I just don't want Alistair to yell at me. The way she acts in Awakening doesn't help her case with me.

Modifié par cmessaz, 12 avril 2010 - 10:07 .

[Addai]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Eh, I just take Wynne's teasing with a grain of salt. I like how flustered it makes Alistair. He is terribly cute like that.

Heh, well I have to say that it was disturbing the first time I did RtO, because on the way there I accidentally clicked on Wynne and got her "you're quite taken with each other" sermon.  Next thing you know the old bat herself is hitting on him?!  And in such a macabre setting, right before burying Cailan.  Ugh.

[Jamie7791]

I liked Wynne when I first played. . . but after awhile, I got irritated with her preachiness.



I agree though, LadyDamodred -- I love the banter between Alistair and Wynne. Thank you for posting those screenshots!!!

[Gilsa]

Alistiar balloon comments (no Wynne in party)!

[LadyDamodred]

Yeah, I wish she hadn't been in Awakening. It was very unnecessary, and was a horrible jolt to continuity.

[cmessaz]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Yeah, I wish she hadn't been in Awakening. It was very unnecessary, and was a horrible jolt to continuity.

Continuity? What is this word, continuity??

[Thalorin1919]

sami jo wrote...

klarabella wrote...

sami jo wrote...
He is the variety of leader who would kill one innocent to save a dozen others without much remorse, but wouldn't kill an innocent for fun.  I think that is how Loghain started, but the line between what was morally acceptable to preserve the masses and what wasn't  all but disappeared for him.

Very good post. Especially this part is exactly what I think about Loghain. And I always have a feeling if you have Loghain killed at the Landsmeet you've already made one little step down the road Loghain went. Maric made some steps down that road, too.

I really hate that killing him or losing Alister are your only options.  Killing someone in front of his daughter after he has submitted just feels wrong, particularly since an argument could be made that saving him would help unite the nation when it is most necessary.  I understand Alistairs desire for vengeance, but I'm not so sure it is something I would want to encourage in the man I am putting on the throne.

Actually its something that I strongly encourage. Loghain committed atrocious crimes not only at Ostagar, but against Ferelden as well. By starting the civil war which in turn resulted in settlements burnt, nobles hanged, and torture and the selling of elves to happen. I dont think there is an argument that he could not united Ferelden, considering half of Ferelden didnt even accept his regency.

In turn, I let Alistair have his vengeance, but I also feel justice has been done for all of Ferelden. Loghain had to pay for crimes and he did. Executing him at the Landsmeet in front of his daughter may not of had been necessary, but it had to be done.

[Gilsa]

Ack, forgot the balloon where you click on the king's body on the bridge. Had to dig this out of a different folder:

[cmessaz]

I guess I have to agree with Thalorin on that point. I never thought about it that way I guess. Anora wouldn't have left though, seriously. You could have asked her to leave the room, but it wouldn't have happened I think. If you do it, she has some warning, she knows what is about to happen. (Maybe not so much with Alistar.) What gets me is the things he says before you execute him.

Modifié par cmessaz, 12 avril 2010 - 10:16 .

[sami jo]

Thalorin1919 wrote...

sami jo wrote...

klarabella wrote...

sami jo wrote...
He is the variety of leader who would kill one innocent to save a dozen others without much remorse, but wouldn't kill an innocent for fun.  I think that is how Loghain started, but the line between what was morally acceptable to preserve the masses and what wasn't  all but disappeared for him.

Very good post. Especially this part is exactly what I think about Loghain. And I always have a feeling if you have Loghain killed at the Landsmeet you've already made one little step down the road Loghain went. Maric made some steps down that road, too.

I really hate that killing him or losing Alister are your only options.  Killing someone in front of his daughter after he has submitted just feels wrong, particularly since an argument could be made that saving him would help unite the nation when it is most necessary.  I understand Alistairs desire for vengeance, but I'm not so sure it is something I would want to encourage in the man I am putting on the throne.

Actually its something that I strongly encourage. Loghain committed atrocious crimes not only at Ostagar, but against Ferelden as well. By starting the civil war which in turn resulted in settlements burnt, nobles hanged, and torture and the selling of elves to happen. I dont think there is an argument that he could not united Ferelden, considering half of Ferelden didnt even accept his regency.

In turn, I let Alistair have his vengeance, but I also feel justice has been done for all of Ferelden. Loghain had to pay for crimes and he did. Executing him at the Landsmeet in front of his daughter may not of had been necessary, but it had to be done.

Executing him?  Perhaps.  I can see the arguments on both sides and I have had characters go both ways.  Executing him in that way just give you a reputation as a vengeful brute.  Such a reputation has its uses in that political climate, but I can't imagine that Alistair won't regret the way in which it happened at a later date.  Justice is a good thing, vengeance is a scary path for a leader to take.

[sylvanaerie]

cmessaz wrote...

I guess I have to agree with Thalorin on that point. I never thought about it that way I guess. Anora wouldn't have left though, seriously. You could have asked her to leave the room, but it wouldn't have happened I think. If you do it, she has some warning, she knows what is about to happen. (Maybe not so much with Alistar.) What gets me is the things he says before you execute him.

I usually have Alistair duel him.  I love the way he grabs the throne afterward in a take charge manner.  I also like that Loghain can see he's greatly underestimated Alistair and take the knowledge of how badly he underestimated his enemy to the grave.

[Addai]

I don't know about anyone else, but I always figure my PC goes into the Landsmeet realizing that either Loghain (and possibly Anora) are not going to walk out, or she and Alistair aren't. For RP purposes there are a few times where I have my PC's who romance Alistair kiss him, and outside the LM chamber is one of those places, knowing it could be their last.

[Thor Rand Al]

Thalorin1919 wrote...
Actually its something that I strongly encourage. Loghain committed atrocious crimes not only at Ostagar, but against Ferelden as well. By starting the civil war which in turn resulted in settlements burnt, nobles hanged, and torture and the selling of elves to happen. I dont think there is an argument that he could not united Ferelden, considering half of Ferelden didnt even accept his regency.

In turn, I let Alistair have his vengeance, but I also feel justice has been done for all of Ferelden. Loghain had to pay for crimes and he did. Executing him at the Landsmeet in front of his daughter may not of had been necessary, but it had to be done.

That is exactly why I can never let Loghain live.  Your whole post here is the way I feel about Loghain, dead on.

[cmessaz]

You know, I like that idea Addai. But I never have Alistair kiss my pc out of camp. Why? Because I thought he wouldn't. I did it once one of my first playthroughs and he said no, so I just never did it again. I will have to remedy this.

[Addai]

sami jo wrote...
Executing him?  Perhaps.  I can see the arguments on both sides and I have had characters go both ways.  Executing him in that way just give you a reputation as a vengeful brute.  Such a reputation has its uses in that political climate, but I can't imagine that Alistair won't regret the way in which it happened at a later date.  Justice is a good thing, vengeance is a scary path for a leader to take.

I'm sure that how it plays out is game mechanics.  I highly doubt that in reality you would hold an execution in the high chamber, on the nice carpet and all.  Just as if you lose the LM, Loghain orders you be taken outside for the execution.

I don't think Alistair will regret it at all.  His vengeance happens to coincide with the right thing to do, that's all.  Whichever side was going to come out ahead in the LM, it was hardly going to be a dispassionate affair.

[Addai]

cmessaz wrote...

You know, I like that idea Addai. But I never have Alistair kiss my pc out of camp. Why? Because I thought he wouldn't. I did it once one of my first playthroughs and he said no, so I just never did it again. I will have to remedy this.

Oh?  He's only refused when I forgot that I had turned Zevran's romance on and Zev objected.  -3 frowny faces for both of them.  Oops!

Game mechanics do make it a little awkward sometimes, like the time I did this before heading out to the archdemon and it triggered his "gossip about our companions" dialogue.  LOL

[cmessaz]

Addai67 wrote...

sami jo wrote...
Executing him?  Perhaps.  I can see the arguments on both sides and I have had characters go both ways.  Executing him in that way just give you a reputation as a vengeful brute.  Such a reputation has its uses in that political climate, but I can't imagine that Alistair won't regret the way in which it happened at a later date.  Justice is a good thing, vengeance is a scary path for a leader to take.

I'm sure that how it plays out is game mechanics.  I highly doubt that in reality you would hold an execution in the high chamber, on the nice carpet and all.  Just as if you lose the LM, Loghain orders you be taken outside for the execution.

I don't think Alistair will regret it at all.  His vengeance happens to coincide with the right thing to do, that's all.  Whichever side was going to come out ahead in the LM, it was hardly going to be a dispassionate affair.

Thats what I think, because it is more likely that they would at least take him outside to be beheaded. But that wouldn't go well with the game, now would it? Alistair wouldn't regret it any more than my noble pc killing Rendon Howe. Duncan was like a father to him.

Modifié par cmessaz, 12 avril 2010 - 10:31 .

[cmessaz]

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

You know, I like that idea Addai. But I never have Alistair kiss my pc out of camp. Why? Because I thought he wouldn't. I did it once one of my first playthroughs and he said no, so I just never did it again. I will have to remedy this.

Oh?  He's only refused when I forgot that I had turned Zevran's romance on and Zev objected.  -3 frowny faces for both of them.  Oops!

Game mechanics do make it a little awkward sometimes, like the time I did this before heading out to the archdemon and it triggered his "gossip about our companions" dialogue.  LOL

Funny thing is I thought that it would be ok to flirt with both at the time. (I was inexperienced with the game) and that is exactly what happened cuz I lost approval with Zevran. Oops.

[sami jo]

Addai67 wrote...

sami jo wrote...
Executing him?  Perhaps.  I can see the arguments on both sides and I have had characters go both ways.  Executing him in that way just give you a reputation as a vengeful brute.  Such a reputation has its uses in that political climate, but I can't imagine that Alistair won't regret the way in which it happened at a later date.  Justice is a good thing, vengeance is a scary path for a leader to take.

I'm sure that how it plays out is game mechanics.  I highly doubt that in reality you would hold an execution in the high chamber, on the nice carpet and all.  Just as if you lose the LM, Loghain orders you be taken outside for the execution.

I don't think Alistair will regret it at all.  His vengeance happens to coincide with the right thing to do, that's all.  Whichever side was going to come out ahead in the LM, it was hardly going to be a dispassionate affair.

This is why I have Alistair duel him if I'm not going to spare Loghain.  It just feels twenty kinds of wrong for my PC to be making that decision.  At least if Alistair duels him, it feels like it is part of the duel and not a clear decision to publicly execute him.

[cmessaz]

sami jo wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

sami jo wrote...
Executing him?  Perhaps.  I can see the arguments on both sides and I have had characters go both ways.  Executing him in that way just give you a reputation as a vengeful brute.  Such a reputation has its uses in that political climate, but I can't imagine that Alistair won't regret the way in which it happened at a later date.  Justice is a good thing, vengeance is a scary path for a leader to take.

I'm sure that how it plays out is game mechanics.  I highly doubt that in reality you would hold an execution in the high chamber, on the nice carpet and all.  Just as if you lose the LM, Loghain orders you be taken outside for the execution.

I don't think Alistair will regret it at all.  His vengeance happens to coincide with the right thing to do, that's all.  Whichever side was going to come out ahead in the LM, it was hardly going to be a dispassionate affair.

This is why I have Alistair duel him if I'm not going to spare Loghain.  It just feels twenty kinds of wrong for my PC to be making that decision.  At least if Alistair duels him, it feels like it is part of the duel and not a clear decision to publicly execute him.

It depends on the character that I'm rping.

[Miri1984]

Lady Damodred, I'll proof read for you but I think I'm in a different time zone so it might take a day for each read - love your stuff and would love to see it in raw form! PM me!