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[LadyDamodred]

Grf. Don't think I have a save before I tell Anora I'll support her. *frowns*

[Lady Jess]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...
But it's not what gets said in the game, by Loghain. If Gaider is saying she was dead by then, Why is Loghain talking as if she were alive at the time. The conversation clearly spoke as if she were alive.

Again, like I said, and I know it was discussed a ton earlier in the thread, I think it's part of the fiction surrounding Alistair in order to hide him, especially if he is Fiona's son.  There would have been a story and I think Loghain would have stuck to it.  not to mention I think to Loghain, protecting Rowan's memory and the woman herself are about the same thing.

I can see that being the case, right up until "he would have been a constant reminder to Rowan of Maric's infidelity". You can't remind a dead woman.  Every part of that conversation could be construed as protecting her memory, except that. It's...inconsistent. Either way, if Fuona returns and is Mommy, all my girls are in some BIG trouble...lol

[nranola]

@bl00d- I do see your point. Despite Alistair truly having Theirin blood, there is no way to prove it without having acknowledgment from the higher-ups. Loghain actually brings this issue up somewhere in the Landsmeet. But giving you the option to claim the throne for yourself as a Cousland, hrmm... that would only complicate things. And I doubt you'd be able to win yourself the throne.

Alistair has Eamon, who is a popular figure, on his side; Anora has served as Ferelden's queen for five years, has proven to be competent, and has Loghain on her side, who is also a renowned general; and you have... yourself. xD Although you will be better recognized by the nobles as someone who actually belongs to an old family, that's true. I doubt they'd hand over the throne to the inexperienced son/daughter of a recently dead teyrn, though, so you'd need more than just your family's blood to win it. You'd need people to back you up.

[LadyDamodred]

Lady Jess wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...
But it's not what gets said in the game, by Loghain. If Gaider is saying she was dead by then, Why is Loghain talking as if she were alive at the time. The conversation clearly spoke as if she were alive.

Again, like I said, and I know it was discussed a ton earlier in the thread, I think it's part of the fiction surrounding Alistair in order to hide him, especially if he is Fiona's son.  There would have been a story and I think Loghain would have stuck to it.  not to mention I think to Loghain, protecting Rowan's memory and the woman herself are about the same thing.

I can see that being the case, right up until "he would have been a constant reminder to Rowan of Maric's infidelity". You can't remind a dead woman.  Every part of that conversation could be construed as protecting her memory, except that. It's...inconsistent. Either way, if Fuona returns and is Mommy, all my girls are in some BIG trouble...lol

If Fiona returns, she is in some big trouble from my girls for being responsible for Alistair's ****ty childhood.

[Lady Jess]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...
But it's not what gets said in the game, by Loghain. If Gaider is saying she was dead by then, Why is Loghain talking as if she were alive at the time. The conversation clearly spoke as if she were alive.

Again, like I said, and I know it was discussed a ton earlier in the thread, I think it's part of the fiction surrounding Alistair in order to hide him, especially if he is Fiona's son.  There would have been a story and I think Loghain would have stuck to it.  not to mention I think to Loghain, protecting Rowan's memory and the woman herself are about the same thing.

I can see that being the case, right up until "he would have been a constant reminder to Rowan of Maric's infidelity". You can't remind a dead woman.  Every part of that conversation could be construed as protecting her memory, except that. It's...inconsistent. Either way, if Fuona returns and is Mommy, all my girls are in some BIG trouble...lol

If Fiona returns, she is in some big trouble from my girls for being responsible for Alistair's ****ty childhood.

haha...major showdown. Oh maker...Alistair took off with Duncan's Sword. GAH!!!

[Thor Rand Al]

Addai67 wrote...

I wouldn't say that Anora's vote means nothing. Like I said above, I still lost at times even though I had all those votes and said all the same things. I believe Anora gets 3 votes in the count. Someone with a toolset might be able to check the mechanics?

For me it doesn't mean anything.  I've never lost the Landsmeet except for my very first time playing and I sided with Alistair.  But I also avoided talking to Anora too on that playthrough.  She pist me off by betraying me lol.  But I've probably played at least 8 other games since then and haven't lost once, and I've supported Alistair in all of them. 
As far as what her vote counts I believe it's 3.  I've seen it mentioned in other threads too.

[mellifera]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...
But it's not what gets said in the game, by Loghain. If Gaider is saying she was dead by then, Why is Loghain talking as if she were alive at the time. The conversation clearly spoke as if she were alive.

Again, like I said, and I know it was discussed a ton earlier in the thread, I think it's part of the fiction surrounding Alistair in order to hide him, especially if he is Fiona's son.  There would have been a story and I think Loghain would have stuck to it.  not to mention I think to Loghain, protecting Rowan's memory and the woman herself are about the same thing.

I can see that being the case, right up until "he would have been a constant reminder to Rowan of Maric's infidelity". You can't remind a dead woman.  Every part of that conversation could be construed as protecting her memory, except that. It's...inconsistent. Either way, if Fuona returns and is Mommy, all my girls are in some BIG trouble...lol

If Fiona returns, she is in some big trouble from my girls for being responsible for Alistair's ****ty childhood.

Hahahaha, same here. My characters are bound to give her infinitely more hell than she could ever even think about giving them. Not immediately though, but if she came back and gave them crap about it.... Gloves are off.

[UrsulaCousland]

Addai67 wrote...

bl00drequiem wrote...

Gotcha. Most I've played through, they go with Loghain if I don't play her games lol.

On my previous EMF, I ran it three times and won the vote 1 out of the 3.  So the odds are against you, but it's not impossible.  You have to get Arl Wulff's vote (by talking to him before the LM and then mentioning the Blight) and an extra vote by completing Trial of Crows.

Cousland + Theirin badassery comin to declare Loghain's reign at an end

Love your mCousland, by the way! I wish mine looked that good!

[Addai]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

For me it doesn't mean anything.  I've never lost the Landsmeet except for my very first time playing and I sided with Alistair.  But I also avoided talking to Anora too on that playthrough.  She pist me off by betraying me lol.  But I've probably played at least 8 other games since then and haven't lost once, and I've supported Alistair in all of them. 
As far as what her vote counts I believe it's 3.  I've seen it mentioned in other threads too.

I always tell Anora straight up that I'm supporting Alistair.  Except for my HNF, who I played as being sneakier and more political.

I don't mind losing the vote, really.  It's a fun rumble.

[LadyDamodred]

yukidama wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...
But it's not what gets said in the game, by Loghain. If Gaider is saying she was dead by then, Why is Loghain talking as if she were alive at the time. The conversation clearly spoke as if she were alive.

Again, like I said, and I know it was discussed a ton earlier in the thread, I think it's part of the fiction surrounding Alistair in order to hide him, especially if he is Fiona's son.  There would have been a story and I think Loghain would have stuck to it.  not to mention I think to Loghain, protecting Rowan's memory and the woman herself are about the same thing.

I can see that being the case, right up until "he would have been a constant reminder to Rowan of Maric's infidelity". You can't remind a dead woman.  Every part of that conversation could be construed as protecting her memory, except that. It's...inconsistent. Either way, if Fuona returns and is Mommy, all my girls are in some BIG trouble...lol

If Fiona returns, she is in some big trouble from my girls for being responsible for Alistair's ****ty childhood.

Hahahaha, same here. My characters are bound to give her infinitely more hell than she could ever even think about giving them. Not immediately though, but if she came back and gave them crap about it.... Gloves are off.

In my fic, Lya is gonna be pissed, but Fiona is gonna whip out the 'We've both spent our lives trying to protect him' card and she's gonna feel really, really bad for Fiona.

[UrsulaCousland]

Addai67 wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...

For me it doesn't mean anything.  I've never lost the Landsmeet except for my very first time playing and I sided with Alistair.  But I also avoided talking to Anora too on that playthrough.  She pist me off by betraying me lol.  But I've probably played at least 8 other games since then and haven't lost once, and I've supported Alistair in all of them. 
As far as what her vote counts I believe it's 3.  I've seen it mentioned in other threads too.

I always tell Anora straight up that I'm supporting Alistair.  Except for my HNF, who I played as being sneakier and more political.

I don't mind losing the vote, really.  It's a fun rumble.

I've never done this, but I'm thinking I'm going to sell her out just for fun with the HNF rogue.

[mellifera]

LadyDamodred wrote...

yukidama wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...
But it's not what gets said in the game, by Loghain. If Gaider is saying she was dead by then, Why is Loghain talking as if she were alive at the time. The conversation clearly spoke as if she were alive.

Again, like I said, and I know it was discussed a ton earlier in the thread, I think it's part of the fiction surrounding Alistair in order to hide him, especially if he is Fiona's son.  There would have been a story and I think Loghain would have stuck to it.  not to mention I think to Loghain, protecting Rowan's memory and the woman herself are about the same thing.

I can see that being the case, right up until "he would have been a constant reminder to Rowan of Maric's infidelity". You can't remind a dead woman.  Every part of that conversation could be construed as protecting her memory, except that. It's...inconsistent. Either way, if Fuona returns and is Mommy, all my girls are in some BIG trouble...lol

If Fiona returns, she is in some big trouble from my girls for being responsible for Alistair's ****ty childhood.

Hahahaha, same here. My characters are bound to give her infinitely more hell than she could ever even think about giving them. Not immediately though, but if she came back and gave them crap about it.... Gloves are off.

In my fic, Lya is gonna be pissed, but Fiona is gonna whip out the 'We've both spent our lives trying to protect him' card and she's gonna feel really, really bad for Fiona.

Oh, well yeah. I don't think any of my characters would just flat out attack her for it, especially if they hear her out first. I just meant if she came up and was all RAWR WHAT HAVE YOU DONE when she carries just as much and more on her shoulders.

[nranola]

Addai67 wrote...

I wouldn't say that Anora's vote means nothing. Like I said above, I still lost at times even though I had all those votes and said all the same things. I believe Anora gets 3 votes in the count. Someone with a toolset might be able to check the mechanics?

Anora counts as 3 votes, yes. From what I read if you get 4 votes or less you lose the Landsmeet.

[Thor Rand Al]

Addai67 wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...

For me it doesn't mean anything.  I've never lost the Landsmeet except for my very first time playing and I sided with Alistair.  But I also avoided talking to Anora too on that playthrough.  She pist me off by betraying me lol.  But I've probably played at least 8 other games since then and haven't lost once, and I've supported Alistair in all of them. 
As far as what her vote counts I believe it's 3.  I've seen it mentioned in other threads too.

I always tell Anora straight up that I'm supporting Alistair.  Except for my HNF, who I played as being sneakier and more political.

I don't mind losing the vote, really.  It's a fun rumble.

Lol I do to.  And I'm really going to enjoy doing it this time.  I decided to have her betray me so I could see Alistair chew her but out lol.  I'm really debating whether I want to talk to her though.  I know I'm going to support Alistair but why do i have to talk to her and listen to her bs just to tell her I'm going to support Alistair lol.  There should be an extra line added to tell her to not even bother with her speech, your supporting Alistair and she can either keep her promise on supporting you at the Landsmeet or she's going to look the fool.  Either way she's losing her throne no matter what lmao.

[Addai]

UrsulaCousland wrote...

Love your mCousland, by the way! I wish mine looked that good!

I'm too smitten with him.  There's probably a Greek name for this condition.  LOL  He's got the "cocky" voice set, for one thing, which is incredibly sexy.

I was actually talking about this over on the Morrigan research thread (where he's gotten some play since the modder used my game saves to test, video here!), but playing out the incredibly sad end of the Morrigan romance has made me better understand the various ways in which Alistair ends up post-game.  My mCousland, going into the final battle, is poised to be a sad, numb man since only his duty is left to him.

[sylvanaerie]

bl00drequiem wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Who's wearing shorts?

@bl00drequiem: Alistair is a Theirin. Being unacknowledged by his father doesn't change his blood.

As far as any legal claim to throne goes, yes, it does

Yes, he has Maric's blood, but not Maric's name, since he never acknowledged him. Realistically he would go by whatever his mother's surname was. And since Maric never acknoldged him as his son, nor did Cailin ever acknowledge him as his brother, he has no real claim to the throne. That's what I'm saying. Sure he may be in blood, but ultimately, as far the question of the succession goes, that doesn't matter a tinker's dam.

This then is what the Landsmeet is about.  Who (Anora or Alistair) has the stronger claim? Ultimately of course its up to the PC but Cousland has less claim to it than either.  (You would be seen as an opportunist no better than Loghain).

[nranola]

I'm probably going to get chewed out for saying this, but I... readily agreed to make Anora queen my first go. '8D And I found it difficult to justify putting Alistair on the throne on my "scripted" playthrough. She makes a very valid argument: she's proven herself to be a capable ruler. That, and Alistair didn't want to be king regardless of him being hardened or not at that point. So unless she betrays my PC at the Landsmeet, I really can't find much reason not to put her on the throne.

Not unless Alistair still voices out to make him king once you ask him even if she doesn't betray you? Does he do that? Haven't tried it myself. o3o

Modifié par nranola, 29 avril 2010 - 11:11 .

[LadyDamodred]

Addai67 wrote...

UrsulaCousland wrote...

Love your mCousland, by the way! I wish mine looked that good!

I'm too smitten with him.  There's probably a Greek name for this condition.  LOL  He's got the "cocky" voice set, for one thing, which is incredibly sexy.

I was actually talking about this over on the Morrigan research thread (where he's gotten some play since the modder used my game saves to test, video here!), but playing out the incredibly sad end of the Morrigan romance has made me better understand the various ways in which Alistair ends up post-game.  My mCousland, going into the final battle, is poised to be a sad, numb man since only his duty is left to him.

nranola was awesome and gave my Fergus's head to use so my Cousland looks like a Cousland!  I think he looks pretty good.  >.>

[Addai]

nranola wrote...
Not unless Alistair still voices out to make him king if she doesn't betray you? Does he do that? Haven't tried it myself. o3o

If he's hardened, he sure does.  He does so unequivocally at the Landsmeet itself.  Beforehand, you get kind of a mixed reaction.  If you ask him "you don't think Anora should be queen?", he says "no, she probably should be," but then he'll talk about how she's just like Loghain and that's the problem with her.

I personally don't think Anora's shown herself a capable ruler, but I think we've had that debate already here.

[Lady Jess]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...

For me it doesn't mean anything.  I've never lost the Landsmeet except for my very first time playing and I sided with Alistair.  But I also avoided talking to Anora too on that playthrough.  She pist me off by betraying me lol.  But I've probably played at least 8 other games since then and haven't lost once, and I've supported Alistair in all of them. 
As far as what her vote counts I believe it's 3.  I've seen it mentioned in other threads too.

I always tell Anora straight up that I'm supporting Alistair.  Except for my HNF, who I played as being sneakier and more political.

I don't mind losing the vote, really.  It's a fun rumble.

Lol I do to.  And I'm really going to enjoy doing it this time.  I decided to have her betray me so I could see Alistair chew her but out lol.  I'm really debating whether I want to talk to her though.  I know I'm going to support Alistair but why do i have to talk to her and listen to her bs just to tell her I'm going to support Alistair lol.  There should be an extra line added to tell her to not even bother with her speech, your supporting Alistair and she can either keep her promise on supporting you at the Landsmeet or she's going to look the fool.  Either way she's losing her throne no matter what lmao.

He chews her out? How? When? Which betrayal?

[Addai]

LadyDamodred wrote...
nranola was awesome and gave my Fergus's head to use so my Cousland looks like a Cousland!  I think he looks pretty good.  >.>

Nice green eyes.  Edit:  Oh, and Teagan hair!  I do like Teagan hair, though I wonder how they keep that braid in place.

I enjoyed playing a male PC and doing the Morrigan romance, but I won't be rolling another male.  In DA, the women definitely have more fun.  Bella's kiss excepted (and I know you can mod it in for women, though that's not my thing!).

Modifié par Addai67, 29 avril 2010 - 11:20 .

[Addai]

Lady Jess wrote...

He chews her out? How? When? Which betrayal?

Pretty sure she means if he's not in your party at Howe's and Anora throws you under the bus with Cauthrien.

I don't mind talking to Anora.  She's got interesting things to say about Loghain, Alistair, etc.  Not that I believe a word of it...

[LadyDamodred]

Addai67 wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
nranola was awesome and gave my Fergus's head to use so my Cousland looks like a Cousland!  I think he looks pretty good.  >.>

Nice green eyes.

I enjoyed playing a male PC and doing the Morrigan romance, but I won't be rolling another male.  In DA, the women definitely have more fun.  Bella's kiss excepted (and I know you can mod it in for women, though that's not my thing!).

My HNF gets the same coloring as my HNF.  Plus the hairstyle with the braid on the side.  XD  Hmm, I should add some moar Alistair.

[sylvanaerie]

Addai67 wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
nranola was awesome and gave my Fergus's head to use so my Cousland looks like a Cousland!  I think he looks pretty good.  >.>

Nice green eyes.

I enjoyed playing a male PC and doing the Morrigan romance, but I won't be rolling another male.  In DA, the women definitely have more fun.  Bella's kiss excepted (and I know you can mod it in for women, though that's not my thing!).

yea but imagine the looks on the yokels in the corner.  It almost screams for a caption reading "Lesbians are hawt".

[mellifera]

This animation never fails to make me laugh.

Edit: Nice top of page pic. Poor Alistair, looks like a drooling lecher now, doesn't he?

Modifié par yukidama, 29 avril 2010 - 11:20 .