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[Gilsa]

nranola wrote...

I'm probably going to get chewed out for saying this, but I... readily agreed to make Anora queen my first go. '8D And I found it difficult to justify putting Alistair on the throne on my "scripted" playthrough. She makes a very valid argument: she's proven herself to be a capable ruler. That, and Alistair didn't want to be king regardless of him being hardened or not at that point. So unless she betrays my PC at the Landsmeet, I really can't find much reason not to put her on the throne.

Not unless Alistair still voices out to make him king once you ask him even if she doesn't betray you? Does he do that? Haven't tried it myself. o3o

I did the same on my first game. I didn't know about the hardening thing so 1) Alistair sure didn't want the job 2) Anora seemed like a strong, capable woman -- I had no issues with her 3) I thought Alistair was better off being a Grey Warden and 4) I didn't care about human nobility since I was a dwarf so I didn't really have the ire towards Anora, Howe, Eaman, and Loghain that the human players do (Don't get me wrong -- I could talk all day on dwarf nobility and get my angst on that way. I'm no different!) and 5) I don't really feel the plight of the elves (unless I'm playing one) because dwarves get treated way worse in Orzammar than elves currently do so the whole Anora and food riot thing does not sway me to be anti-Anora. After all this time, I still think she's a fine ruler in her own right. I can see why the waters get muddied when human nobles and Alistair get complicated and people care about who Maric has slept with, etc. =p

[nos_astra]

yukidama wrote...

This animation never fails to make me laugh.
Edit: Nice top of page pic. Poor Alistair, looks like a drooling lecher now, doesn't he?

That reminds me of Aimo's King of My Heart comic.

*squeeze*

Modifié par klarabella, 29 avril 2010 - 11:22 .

[nranola]

Addai67 wrote...

nranola wrote...
Not unless Alistair still voices out to make him king if she doesn't betray you? Does he do that? Haven't tried it myself. o3o

If he's hardened, he sure does.  He does so unequivocally at the Landsmeet itself.  Beforehand, you get kind of a mixed reaction.  If you ask him "you don't think Anora should be queen?", he says "no, she probably should be," but then he'll talk about how she's just like Loghain and that's the problem with her.

I personally don't think Anora's shown herself a capable ruler, but I think we've had that debate already here.

If he actually wants the throne then that pretty much seals the deal for my HNF. The only problem is... there's no way of knowing this up until the Landsmeet itself, is there? D: I was pushing it in my last playthrough when I had her tell Anora there was no way her father would live just to get the betrayal flag to rise, which was a tad OOC for her, so it's good to know that Alistair would still want to be king without it. Then again... she'd be betraying Anora instead, since my HNF would promise to give Anora her support, and that just... sucks.

Is there an option where you get to apologize to her, at least? I doubt it, but... I'd just feel real downright dirty for having to do that to her.

Modifié par nranola, 29 avril 2010 - 11:24 .

[bl00drequiem]

nranola wrote...

@bl00d- I do see your point. Despite Alistair truly having Theirin blood, there is no way to prove it without having acknowledgment from the higher-ups. Loghain actually brings this issue up somewhere in the Landsmeet. But giving you the option to claim the throne for yourself as a Cousland, hrmm... that would only complicate things. And I doubt you'd be able to win yourself the throne.

Alistair has Eamon, who is a popular figure, on his side; Anora has served as Ferelden's queen for five years, has proven to be competent, and has Loghain on her side, who is also a renowned general; and you have... yourself. xD Although you will be better recognized by the nobles as someone who actually belongs to an old family, that's true. I doubt they'd hand over the throne to the inexperienced son/daughter of a recently dead teyrn, though, so you'd need more than just your family's blood to win it. You'd need people to back you up.

Well, you can get Bann Sighurd by saving his son, Bann Alfstana by reporting Loghain's treachery, Vaunn appears to be bugged but you could get him by letting him out of prison, notice every Landsmeet member when they side with you say "I support the Warden" (IE the PC, not Eamon or Alistair). They are all siding with you personally against Loghain since they all owe you personal favors, and as a recognizable face to these nobles of very high standing, as the heir presumptive of the Highever Terynir, since at this point Fergus is MIA, you could easily gain your family's vote or votes by proxy. You also get the extra vote by doing the Antivan Crows mission, which again, they are siding with you personally against Loghain. As far as being seen as opportunist, perhaps a tad, but put it this way: You are the only remaining heir (it is assumed) to the most powerful family in Fereldan asides from the Theirins, and that gives you a lot of influence, plenty of old favors I imagine. You are the heir presumptive, though it is speculated your father would of likely made you Teryn or Teryna in place of Fergus, and have been trained your whole life in battle, tactics, politics, and just how the court works. You've already proven yourself a leader, since you have essentially assembled an entire army all by yourself to fight the Darkspawn to replace the one lost at Ostagar. Yes you had help, but you were the leader, it was ultimately YOUR actions that made it all possible.

[Addai]

nranola wrote...
If he actually wants the throne then that pretty much seals the deal for my HNF. The only problem is... there's no way of knowing this up until the Landsmeet itself, is there? D: I was pushing it in my last playthrough when I told Anora there was no way her father would live just to get the betrayal flag to rise, which was a tad OOC for her, so it's good to know that Alistair would still want to be king without it. Then again... she'd be betraying Anora instead, since my HNF would promise to give Anora her support, and that just... sucks.

Is there an option where you get to apologize to her, at least? I doubt it, but... I'd just feel real downright dirty for having to do that to her.

No apologies, nope.  It's off to the Tower with her.

You pretty much get the "make me king" vibe from Alistair when you talk to him beforehand, as well.  The way he scowls and says "she's just like her father.... me, I say that's where the problem lies..."   Someone can fill in how he responds if you tell him you're supporting Anora.  I haven't ever done that.

My HNF went the sneaky route, but she was just holding her cards.  She set up the marriage between Alistair and Anora, but had in mind that she might pull a switcheroo.  She just wasn't sure what she was going to do until she saw how the LM panned out.  Since Alistair dueled Loghain and executed him, then told her in no uncertain terms he was ready to be king, it was an easy decision.  So was deciding that if she was going to make him king, she was going to sit the throne with him. 

However, for the reasons you state, I do prefer to tell Anora straight out that I'm supporting Alistair.  You get to see her true colors and Loghain's ruthlessness, and you can say you were honest all the way.  Unlike her.

[Thor Rand Al]

Lady Jess wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...
Lol I do to.  And I'm really going to enjoy doing it this time.  I decided to have her betray me so I could see Alistair chew her but out lol.  I'm really debating whether I want to talk to her though.  I know I'm going to support Alistair but why do i have to talk to her and listen to her bs just to tell her I'm going to support Alistair lol.  There should be an extra line added to tell her to not even bother with her speech, your supporting Alistair and she can either keep her promise on supporting you at the Landsmeet or she's going to look the fool.  Either way she's losing her throne no matter what lmao.

He chews her out? How? When? Which betrayal?

You've got to leave Alistair when you go to rescue Anora, tell Cauthrien your there to free Anora and Anora will betray you, lose your fight with Cauthrien and when Anora and your group go back to Eamon's she will make the comment:

Anora:  Eamon! I may have done a terribe thing.

Zevran: What's this?  She throws her savior to the wolves, and now she has second thoughts?

Alistair:  What?  What is it you might have done, exactly?

Arl Eamon:  What in Andraste's name has happened?  Are you all right?

Anora:  The Warden has been captured.

Alistair:  And this may have been your fault. Maybe?  Perhaps?



There's a few more line's between Anora n Eamon but ya Alistair's not happy lol.

[Serissia]

Everyone loves Anora.

Actually, I'm probably going to force her upon Alistair this play-through so, I can be the sexy mistress. 

[mellifera]

Serissia wrote...

Everyone loves Anora.

Actually, I'm probably going to force her upon Alistair this play-through so, I can be the sexy mistress. 

WHYYYYYY. Every time I manage to get that out of my head it's forced upon me ;w;

[LadyDamodred]

Addai67 wrote...

nranola wrote...
If he actually wants the throne then that pretty much seals the deal for my HNF. The only problem is... there's no way of knowing this up until the Landsmeet itself, is there? D: I was pushing it in my last playthrough when I told Anora there was no way her father would live just to get the betrayal flag to rise, which was a tad OOC for her, so it's good to know that Alistair would still want to be king without it. Then again... she'd be betraying Anora instead, since my HNF would promise to give Anora her support, and that just... sucks.

Is there an option where you get to apologize to her, at least? I doubt it, but... I'd just feel real downright dirty for having to do that to her.

No apologies, nope.  It's off to the Tower with her.

You pretty much get the "make me king" vibe from Alistair when you talk to him beforehand, as well.  The way he scowls and says "she's just like her father.... me, I say that's where the problem lies..."   Someone can fill in how he responds if you tell him you're supporting Anora.  I haven't ever done that.

My HNF went the sneaky route, but she was just holding her cards.  She set up the marriage between Alistair and Anora, but had in mind that she might pull a switcheroo.  She just wasn't sure what she was going to do until she saw how the LM panned out.  Since Alistair dueled Loghain and executed him, then told her in no uncertain terms he was ready to be king, it was an easy decision.  So was deciding that if she was going to make him king, she was going to sit the throne with him. 

However, for the reasons you state, I do prefer to tell Anora straight out that I'm supporting Alistair.  You get to see her true colors and Loghain's ruthlessness, and you can say you were honest all the way.  Unlike her.

My HNF knew Anora would be trouble so she said 'Sure, I'll support you' and had absolutely no intention of doing so.  She plays this game better than Anora. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyDamodred wrote...
My HNF knew Anora would be trouble so she said 'Sure, I'll support you' and had absolutely no intention of doing so.  She plays this game better than Anora. 

As much as I love thinking PCs can be manipulative and good at politics, at the end of the day, the PC win because of "Might makes Right".

[Lady Jess]

Serissia wrote...

Everyone loves Anora.

Actually, I'm probably going to force her upon Alistair this play-through so, I can be the sexy mistress. 

Thats what I'm working on with my mage. Not only that, but I will inform her that I'm not going anywhere...lol My mage is a right witch.

[nranola]

*pats yuki's face summoar* ;3;


@Addai- Given that Alistair clearly tells her and Eamon that he didn't want to be king, my HNF couldn't find a reason to tell Anora that she wouldn't support her. *sigh* Oh well. As douchebag-y as it will make me feel, for the sake of an accurate playthrough, I'll go through with it. That's just how it has to be. I'll comfort myself with the fact that I can't please everyone. ;3;


@bl00d- Hm, true... You have garnered a lot of merits prior to the Landsmeet so you're an excellent candidate to the throne. But you'd be seen as spring chicken, still. So would Alistair, I suppose, but he has Theirin blood. There's no way of telling how much the nobles know about him or how that knowledge came to them, so I can't really say who has the better claim between the two of you. But it is clear that him being Maric's bastard son is not unheard of amongst the nobles. Alistair tells you as much in some conversation you get into at some point.

But yeah, you make a very good point, although I would agree with the developers' decision to keep the choices limited to Anora or Alistair with the Warden being an optional add-on. You being able to claim the throne for yourself would just make things a lot more complicated than it already is, and it would make the Human Noble origin overpower the rest, which would be unfair.

Modifié par nranola, 29 avril 2010 - 11:50 .

[LadyDamodred]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
My HNF knew Anora would be trouble so she said 'Sure, I'll support you' and had absolutely no intention of doing so.  She plays this game better than Anora. 

As much as I love thinking PCs can be manipulative and good at politics, at the end of the day, the PC win because of "Might makes Right".

I can rp it anyway I want, so hush you. 

Also, I ended up scrapping my chapter and taking a different direction.  Might email you later.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Anytime LD.

[SurelyForth]

Chasind Robes Maricstair:





NBM:





I am in love with Maricstair, nranola. Thank you again!

[nos_astra]

I just fell in love with CRM.

[SurelyForth]

klarabella wrote...

I just fell in love with CRM.

He might be wearing those robes the entire game. 

[sylvanaerie]

By the Landsmeet, the Couslands are landless disgraced nobles (unjustly so but still thats how it is, sorry bout that). You are being supported as the GRAY WARDEN not as PC Cousland. You get no vote in the Landsmeet until your terynir is restored to you. Any grabbing at the throne (Solo) is just seen as opportunism, not your divine right. And since by the end of the game you learn FERGUS is alive and as elder son regardless of your prior position, rumors what have you, you are his heir till he has more kids who become his heirs. So you aren't even Teryn. Your only way is to support Alistair and marry him (as a HNF) or support Anora and marry her. And if you off Anora, you will be in the same boat she is currently in with no child of the blood to hold on to the throne with.



Chances are you will be able to hold on to it by moxie, being the hero of Ferelden (whatever) but people will also remember you had Alistair executed once you took the throne and Anora's little 'accident' would be viewed with suspicion.



The Landsmeet rules anyway. The monarchy is just the figureheads/administrators. Anora is so good at that she wouldn't need the Cousland anyway. You are just her political wedge to get her to keep her throne and she agrees to ally with you to get your support if thats the condition of it.



I always save right before talking to Eamon, Anora and Alistair and call that chapter "Strange Bedfellows" Rather apropos I think.

[mellifera]

Has anyone let the desire demon and the templar from the tower go free?

[sylvanaerie]

yukidama wrote...

Has anyone let the desire demon and the templar from the tower go free?

So she can drain him and move on to someone else in 1-2 days? no way!

[nranola]

@Surely- Oh wow. He's working that robe LMAO! You're welcome! Always happy to see you ladies enjoying yourselves. ;D


@sylvan- Despite being stripped of lands and titles that doesn't change the fact that the he is still a Cousland without a doubt. And seeing how he was able to practically build an army with a handful of men under his wing that says a lot about his competence. So that makes the HN a candidate for the throne as well, I think, despite the nasty implications it would give later on should the players be given the chance of putting themselves forward as king/queen.

[KnightofPhoenix]

yukidama wrote...

Has anyone let the desire demon and the templar from the tower go free?

Not my canonical Warden, no/

[Addai]

Wow, uh.... I think Maricstair is here to stay.  At least for this playthrough.  It's a little strange at first, but he's just too damn sexy this way.  And the Maric-Fiona thing is too sweet to pass up.

Drat it all!  I hate you, nranola. 

[nranola]

@yuki- No, though on a very liberal mage I could see it happening. It'll be a long time before that happens though; I have a lot of PCs left on idle. '8D


@Addai- YESSSSS! WE HAVE SUCCEEDED! *high fives Maricstair* 8D I knew you'd come around LOL.

Modifié par nranola, 30 avril 2010 - 12:19 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

Does your dog bite miss?