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[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...

The trunk thing made me cry. It felt extraordinarily cruel and, in turn, made me feel extraordinarily cruel.

In a way, the exile is more cruel.  If he's executed, just like he says, he gets thrown on the ash heap with Duncan.  Duncan could die a hero, but at least Alistair still suffers the same injustice that ended Duncan's life.  If he's exiled, he loses his reason to live.

Like I said upthread, I can understand this better now that my mCousland is at the point of losing Morrigan in what feels like a pretty wrenching betrayal.  He still has more than exiled Alistair has, by far, but since I can't play a PC who's a cold, duty-bound military type, I imagine him crushed at the idea that if he manages to survive the Blight, his duty will be all that's left to him.  If Ali is exiled, he does not even have his Grey Warden or king duty to keep him on his feet. 

Modifié par Addai67, 30 avril 2010 - 03:31 .

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...

In a way, the exile is more cruel.  If he's executed, just like he says, he gets thrown on the ash heap with Duncan.  Duncan could die a hero, but at least Alistair still suffers the same injustice that ended Duncan's life.  If he's exiled, he loses his reason to live.

Like I said upthread, I can understand this better now that my mCousland is at the point of losing Morrigan in what feels like a pretty wrenching betrayal.  He still has more than exiled Alistair has, by far, but since I can't play a PC who's a cold, duty-bound military type, I imagine him crushed at the idea that if he manages to survive the Blight, his duty will be all that's left to him.  If Ali is exiled, he does not even have his Grey Warden or king duty to keep him on his feet. 

He pretty much ends up the same way if the PC does the US and he isn't king, only minus the betrayal. He just...stops existing.

[sylvanaerie]

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

In a way, the exile is more cruel.  If he's executed, just like he says, he gets thrown on the ash heap with Duncan.  Duncan could die a hero, but at least Alistair still suffers the same injustice that ended Duncan's life.  If he's exiled, he loses his reason to live.

Like I said upthread, I can understand this better now that my mCousland is at the point of losing Morrigan in what feels like a pretty wrenching betrayal.  He still has more than exiled Alistair has, by far, but since I can't play a PC who's a cold, duty-bound military type, I imagine him crushed at the idea that if he manages to survive the Blight, his duty will be all that's left to him.  If Ali is exiled, he does not even have his Grey Warden or king duty to keep him on his feet. 

He pretty much ends up the same way if the PC does the US and he isn't king, only minus the betrayal. He just...stops existing.

I've actually got a fan fic in my head about that one, just have to flesh it out and give word to thoughts.  I think I may US this current Dalish runthrough and Queen Anora so Al has nothing left.  (I'm cruel maybe but I want to see what would go through my PC's head at that moment) and see what happens.  I know if you king him you pretty much get the "Alistair rules solo" ending and I want to go something different if my heart can take it.  Gotta leave him at the gate though.  Would be nice if you did something like that instead of Teagan looking up you see Alistair instead knowing most likely his love is gone.

[Lady Jess]

sylvanaerie wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

In a way, the exile is more cruel.  If he's executed, just like he says, he gets thrown on the ash heap with Duncan.  Duncan could die a hero, but at least Alistair still suffers the same injustice that ended Duncan's life.  If he's exiled, he loses his reason to live.

Like I said upthread, I can understand this better now that my mCousland is at the point of losing Morrigan in what feels like a pretty wrenching betrayal.  He still has more than exiled Alistair has, by far, but since I can't play a PC who's a cold, duty-bound military type, I imagine him crushed at the idea that if he manages to survive the Blight, his duty will be all that's left to him.  If Ali is exiled, he does not even have his Grey Warden or king duty to keep him on his feet. 

He pretty much ends up the same way if the PC does the US and he isn't king, only minus the betrayal. He just...stops existing.

I've actually got a fan fic in my head about that one, just have to flesh it out and give word to thoughts.  I think I may US this current Dalish runthrough and Queen Anora so Al has nothing left.  (I'm cruel maybe but I want to see what would go through my PC's head at that moment) and see what happens.  I know if you king him you pretty much get the "Alistair rules solo" ending and I want to go something different if my heart can take it.  Gotta leave him at the gate though.  Would be nice if you did something like that instead of Teagan looking up you see Alistair instead knowing most likely his love is gone.

I just reran a landsmeet save on my old rogue, and spared loghain. Watching Alistair walk sucks. Just SUCKS! I'm only doing it because I have a short story thought up and have to play it through. It's too bad post coronation you don't get the option to say you're going to look for him.

[SurelyForth]

sylvanaerie wrote...

I've actually got a fan fic in my head about that one, just have to flesh it out and give word to thoughts.  I think I may US this current Dalish runthrough and Queen Anora so Al has nothing left.  (I'm cruel maybe but I want to see what would go through my PC's head at that moment) and see what happens.  I know if you king him you pretty much get the "Alistair rules solo" ending and I want to go something different if my heart can take it.  Gotta leave him at the gate though.  Would be nice if you did something like that instead of Teagan looking up you see Alistair instead knowing most likely his love is gone.

I  think that would break me. I already go a little dead if I allow myself to imagine what he would be thinking or, Maker forbid, hoping* at that moment. Sad face wouldn't even begin to cover it.

*And by this I mean "Maybe Riordan was wrong" and not "Yay! She's dead, so now I can finally go public with my mad love affair with Wade!"

[KnightofPhoenix]

sylvanaerie wrote...
Gotta leave him at the gate though.  Would be nice if you did something like that instead of Teagan looking up you see Alistair instead knowing most likely his love is gone.

Yea it would have been better if they show us the companions we leave at the gates at that scene.

[sylvanaerie]

SurelyForth wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

I've actually got a fan fic in my head about that one, just have to flesh it out and give word to thoughts.  I think I may US this current Dalish runthrough and Queen Anora so Al has nothing left.  (I'm cruel maybe but I want to see what would go through my PC's head at that moment) and see what happens.  I know if you king him you pretty much get the "Alistair rules solo" ending and I want to go something different if my heart can take it.  Gotta leave him at the gate though.  Would be nice if you did something like that instead of Teagan looking up you see Alistair instead knowing most likely his love is gone.

I  think that would break me. I already go a little dead if I allow myself to imagine what he would be thinking or, Maker forbid, hoping* at that moment. Sad face wouldn't even begin to cover it.

*And by this I mean "Maybe Riordan was wrong" and not "Yay! She's dead, so now I can finally go public with my mad love affair with Wade!"

well my fic would be about hope in the aftermath.  (would take place a couple years after so he has a chance to put some distance tween that day and himself) and he would meet someone who makes him want to go on.  Not thinking in romantic terms just someone who would be a freind and lost a lot that day too.  I really don't like romantic fanfics.  Usually those degenerate into "how fast can I have the PC boink (Whomever the writer is crushing on) in a MarySue/GaryStu" kind of fan fic   Ugh. 

[Lady Jess]

sylvanaerie wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

I've actually got a fan fic in my head about that one, just have to flesh it out and give word to thoughts.  I think I may US this current Dalish runthrough and Queen Anora so Al has nothing left.  (I'm cruel maybe but I want to see what would go through my PC's head at that moment) and see what happens.  I know if you king him you pretty much get the "Alistair rules solo" ending and I want to go something different if my heart can take it.  Gotta leave him at the gate though.  Would be nice if you did something like that instead of Teagan looking up you see Alistair instead knowing most likely his love is gone.

I  think that would break me. I already go a little dead if I allow myself to imagine what he would be thinking or, Maker forbid, hoping* at that moment. Sad face wouldn't even begin to cover it.

*And by this I mean "Maybe Riordan was wrong" and not "Yay! She's dead, so now I can finally go public with my mad love affair with Wade!"

well my fic would be about hope in the aftermath.  (would take place a couple years after so he has a chance to put some distance tween that day and himself) and he would meet someone who makes him want to go on.  Not thinking in romantic terms just someone who would be a freind and lost a lot that day too.  I really don't like romantic fanfics.  Usually those degenerate into "how fast can I have the PC boink (Whomever the writer is crushing on) in a MarySue/GaryStu" kind of fan fic   Ugh. 

I have only gotten as far as post-architect, I know I'm taking title and riches. and having Zev and Leli hunt down Mr Templar while I'm gone...not sure if there's boinking, I just know she will darned well tell her side of things if it kills her, and oh what a sneaky, cruel and unusual plan it all was...muahahaha

[sylvanaerie]

Lady Jess wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

I've actually got a fan fic in my head about that one, just have to flesh it out and give word to thoughts.  I think I may US this current Dalish runthrough and Queen Anora so Al has nothing left.  (I'm cruel maybe but I want to see what would go through my PC's head at that moment) and see what happens.  I know if you king him you pretty much get the "Alistair rules solo" ending and I want to go something different if my heart can take it.  Gotta leave him at the gate though.  Would be nice if you did something like that instead of Teagan looking up you see Alistair instead knowing most likely his love is gone.

I  think that would break me. I already go a little dead if I allow myself to imagine what he would be thinking or, Maker forbid, hoping* at that moment. Sad face wouldn't even begin to cover it.

*And by this I mean "Maybe Riordan was wrong" and not "Yay! She's dead, so now I can finally go public with my mad love affair with Wade!"

well my fic would be about hope in the aftermath.  (would take place a couple years after so he has a chance to put some distance tween that day and himself) and he would meet someone who makes him want to go on.  Not thinking in romantic terms just someone who would be a freind and lost a lot that day too.  I really don't like romantic fanfics.  Usually those degenerate into "how fast can I have the PC boink (Whomever the writer is crushing on) in a MarySue/GaryStu" kind of fan fic   Ugh. 

I have only gotten as far as post-architect, I know I'm taking title and riches. and having Zev and Leli hunt down Mr Templar while I'm gone...not sure if there's boinking, I just know she will darned well tell her side of things if it kills her, and oh what a sneaky, cruel and unusual plan it all was...muahahaha

See that would be in character though because (even if he was mad and walked off) you were in a romance with him.  What I can't stand is reading about off the wall batsh*t crazy fics like Nathaniel and Anders (or any combo you wanna set up that feels farfetched)  getting it on in a threesome with the PC cause he/she is crushing on both of them and can't make their mind up.  Or a Loghain romance *Shudders*.  Things COMPLETELY out of character for the NPCs is what bugs me.  If you already have a romance or a chance of being romantic, then set it up in the story, not go straight from "hi.  I think your hot.  Lets get freaky"

[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...

He pretty much ends up the same way if the PC does the US and he isn't king, only minus the betrayal. He just...stops existing.

I realize that a similarly crushed end happens to Zevran or Leliana if they lose the Warden LI, but for my mCousland and I think for Alistair, the taint makes it more acute to think that only duty is left to them.  My mCousland is similar to Alistair in that while he wants to do some good with his life- be the sort of noble his father taught him to be- it's not enough without someone to do it all for.  After losing Morrigan, he's not going to recover because he would not invite another woman into an existence overshadowed by the taint.  With the Wardens in Ferelden decimated, there is not even the comraderie of a normal military order, and the idea of rebuilding the Wardens means calling other people into a shortened life overshadowed by the taint.  Not exactly a hope-filled prospect.

[nos_astra]

sylvanaerie wrote...
Things COMPLETELY out of character for the NPCs is what bugs me.  If you already have a romance or a chance of being romantic, then set it up in the story, not go straight from "hi.  I think your hot.  Lets get freaky"

Don't get me started. I stumbled across a fic these days where King Alistair is hooking up with Anora (in the tower) while the PC was away in Amaranthine. Ceeeeeertainly!

[Lady Jess]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

I've actually got a fan fic in my head about that one, just have to flesh it out and give word to thoughts.  I think I may US this current Dalish runthrough and Queen Anora so Al has nothing left.  (I'm cruel maybe but I want to see what would go through my PC's head at that moment) and see what happens.  I know if you king him you pretty much get the "Alistair rules solo" ending and I want to go something different if my heart can take it.  Gotta leave him at the gate though.  Would be nice if you did something like that instead of Teagan looking up you see Alistair instead knowing most likely his love is gone.

I  think that would break me. I already go a little dead if I allow myself to imagine what he would be thinking or, Maker forbid, hoping* at that moment. Sad face wouldn't even begin to cover it.

*And by this I mean "Maybe Riordan was wrong" and not "Yay! She's dead, so now I can finally go public with my mad love affair with Wade!"

well my fic would be about hope in the aftermath.  (would take place a couple years after so he has a chance to put some distance tween that day and himself) and he would meet someone who makes him want to go on.  Not thinking in romantic terms just someone who would be a freind and lost a lot that day too.  I really don't like romantic fanfics.  Usually those degenerate into "how fast can I have the PC boink (Whomever the writer is crushing on) in a MarySue/GaryStu" kind of fan fic   Ugh. 

I have only gotten as far as post-architect, I know I'm taking title and riches. and having Zev and Leli hunt down Mr Templar while I'm gone...not sure if there's boinking, I just know she will darned well tell her side of things if it kills her, and oh what a sneaky, cruel and unusual plan it all was...muahahaha

See that would be in character though because (even if he was mad and walked off) you were in a romance with him.  What I can't stand is reading about off the wall batsh*t crazy fics like Nathaniel and Anders (or any combo you wanna set up that feels farfetched)  getting it on in a threesome with the PC cause he/she is crushing on both of them and can't make their mind up.  Or a Loghain romance *Shudders*.  Things COMPLETELY out of character for the NPCs is what bugs me.  If you already have a romance or a chance of being romantic, then set it up in the story, not go straight from "hi.  I think your hot.  Lets get freaky"

Yeah thats odd. I did a bit of Nathaniel+pc+alistair in my shades of gray, but not THAT way. Alistair simply misunderstood the relationship after getting a little note from Velanna, so it was a catalyst in saking things up, but no freaky sex stuff, just distance+lack of confidence = silly mistake on his part = kasha running off in a snit. I can't see my PC ever wanting anyone else. Not even Tess after he left her that way.

[Lady Jess]

klarabella wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...
Things COMPLETELY out of character for the NPCs is what bugs me.  If you already have a romance or a chance of being romantic, then set it up in the story, not go straight from "hi.  I think your hot.  Lets get freaky"

Don't get me started. I stumbled across a fic these days where King Alistair is hooking up with Anora (in the tower) while the PC was away in Amaranthine. Ceeeeeertainly!

I saw one with Anders and Alistair and the PC...Alistair just would not do that. It was well written, and all that but...definitely an alternate universe...lol

[Serissia]

klarabella wrote...
Don't get me started. I stumbled across a fic these days where King Alistair is hooking up with Anora (in the tower) while the PC was away in Amaranthine. Ceeeeeertainly!

That's just disturbing...

I was thinking about the worst slash couple (because I'm a masochist) and it would definately be Loghain/abomination Uldred.

[SurelyForth]

sylvanaerie wrote...

See that would be in character though because (even if he was mad and walked off) you were in a romance with him.  What I can't stand is reading about off the wall batsh*t crazy fics like Nathaniel and Anders (or any combo you wanna set up that feels farfetched)  getting it on in a threesome with the PC cause he/she is crushing on both of them and can't make their mind up.  Or a Loghain romance *Shudders*.  Things COMPLETELY out of character for the NPCs is what bugs me.  If you already have a romance or a chance of being romantic, then set it up in the story, not go straight from "hi.  I think your hot.  Lets get freaky"

I'm definitely opposed to the whole "stringing two boys along" convention, and the way it makes LI's/companions crazy out of character. This usually leads to some bullcrap like either a) lifelong threesome or one of the LI's get killed off in a totally lame way.

[sylvanaerie]

Serissia wrote...

klarabella wrote...
Don't get me started. I stumbled across a fic these days where King Alistair is hooking up with Anora (in the tower) while the PC was away in Amaranthine. Ceeeeeertainly!

That's just disturbing...

I was thinking about the worst slash couple (because I'm a masochist) and it would definately be Loghain/abomination Uldred.

worst slash couple in my book would be Cailan/Loghain and there are people sick enough to write something that freaky

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...

I realize that a similarly crushed end happens to Zevran or Leliana if they lose the Warden LI, but for my mCousland and I think for Alistair, the taint makes it more acute to think that only duty is left to them.  My mCousland is similar to Alistair in that while he wants to do some good with his life- be the sort of noble his father taught him to be- it's not enough without someone to do it all for.  After losing Morrigan, he's not going to recover because he would not invite another woman into an existence overshadowed by the taint.  With the Wardens in Ferelden decimated, there is not even the comraderie of a normal military order, and the idea of rebuilding the Wardens means calling other people into a shortened life overshadowed by the taint.  Not exactly a hope-filled prospect.

I think Awakening did a decent job of letting you recruit people who really didn't have many options. Velanna, Sigrun and Oghren were all going to die/burn out young because of their various issues and the way they deal with them (or were forced to deal with them, in Sigrun's case). Anders is pretty much a dead man if you don't conscript him (and even if he isn't executed, his life will be miserable). Nate is the only one who has real prospects, but he's homeless and despised and he begs you to make him a Warden if you send him away at first.

[SurelyForth]

Lady Jess wrote...

I saw one with Anders and Alistair and the PC...Alistair just would not do that. It was well written, and all that but...definitely an alternate universe...lol

Was it by the A Midwinter's Thaw writers? That Alistair/Cousland/Anders fic melted my brain (in a good way!), but even given the characterization they have for Alistair I don't know if that would happen. Of course, one of the good things about doing an Exiled Alistair/King Alistair w. Loghain Spared fic is that you can re-work his character quite a bit, if it's set far enough ahead.

[sylvanaerie]

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

I realize that a similarly crushed end happens to Zevran or Leliana if they lose the Warden LI, but for my mCousland and I think for Alistair, the taint makes it more acute to think that only duty is left to them.  My mCousland is similar to Alistair in that while he wants to do some good with his life- be the sort of noble his father taught him to be- it's not enough without someone to do it all for.  After losing Morrigan, he's not going to recover because he would not invite another woman into an existence overshadowed by the taint.  With the Wardens in Ferelden decimated, there is not even the comraderie of a normal military order, and the idea of rebuilding the Wardens means calling other people into a shortened life overshadowed by the taint.  Not exactly a hope-filled prospect.

I think Awakening did a decent job of letting you recruit people who really didn't have many options. Velanna, Sigrun and Oghren were all going to die/burn out young because of their various issues and the way they deal with them (or were forced to deal with them, in Sigrun's case). Anders is pretty much a dead man if you don't conscript him (and even if he isn't executed, his life will be miserable). Nate is the only one who has real prospects, but he's homeless and despised and he begs you to make him a Warden if you send him away at first.

He does? I just conscripted Nate cause I didn't want to let him go (he's the only rogue at that point and I was intrigued by him).  He had me at that line where he said he was going to kill the PC and then changed his mind and just wanted his family things back.  Getting him his grandfather's bow was the most touching moment in the game for me.

[Serissia]

SurelyForth wrote...
Was it by the A Midwinter's Thaw writers? That Alistair/Cousland/Anders fic melted my brain (in a good way!), but even given the characterization they have for Alistair I don't know if that would happen. Of course, one of the good things about doing an Exiled Alistair/King Alistair w. Loghain Spared fic is that you can re-work his character quite a bit, if it's set far enough ahead.

Does Midwinter's Thaw end up w/ an Alistair/Anders/Cousland three way or something?  I want to know now before I sink more time into it.  I'm only on chapter 17 and so, far it seems pretty good.

[nos_astra]

Lady Jess wrote...

klarabella wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...
Things COMPLETELY out of character for the NPCs is what bugs me.  If you already have a romance or a chance of being romantic, then set it up in the story, not go straight from "hi.  I think your hot.  Lets get freaky"

Don't get me started. I stumbled across a fic these days where King Alistair is hooking up with Anora (in the tower) while the PC was away in Amaranthine. Ceeeeeertainly! {smilie}

I saw one with Anders and Alistair and the PC...Alistair just would not do that. It was well written, and all that but...definitely an alternate universe...lol

Yeeeeees, well that's a special one. I guess, you are talking about Midwinter Illumination which is an AU-sequel to the still ongoing Midwinter's Thaw (which is AU itself, because Anora and Fergus married with three kids is just ... yeah). Considering the developement Alistair is put through in AMWT it works for me.

Let's say it is still somehow in character for AMWT-Alistair, who is a convincing derivative of the original (hardened and exiled) Alistair. Never thought about if it was in character for Anders to do that, I hope it is.
I loved his line about the dirty little secret of rejuvenation spells.

Modifié par klarabella, 30 avril 2010 - 05:21 .

[tmp7704]

yukidama wrote...

Serissia wrote...

I highly suggest this mod if you're going to be using massive armor.  It makes them look much better as a whole.  Symmetrical Massive Armor

That mod is awesome but doesn't work for all species/genders yet.

(optional file in the proportions fix project. Not 100% the same thing, but...

[Addai]

Serissia wrote...

Does Midwinter's Thaw end up w/ an Alistair/Anders/Cousland three way or something?  I want to know now before I sink more time into it.  I'm only on chapter 17 and so, far it seems pretty good.

I started reading some of this because I hear about it now and again, but it pretty much confirmed for me my allergy to fanfiction.

[Addai]

sylvanaerie wrote...

He does? I just conscripted Nate cause I didn't want to let him go (he's the only rogue at that point and I was intrigued by him).  He had me at that line where he said he was going to kill the PC and then changed his mind and just wanted his family things back.  Getting him his grandfather's bow was the most touching moment in the game for me.

He does, and it's rather plaintive.  I'll be going that route if I ever play Awakening again.  You also get a nice little reference to Zevran from Oghren if you do this, which is the only reference to Zev by name.

I like Nate's story, too.  My femCousland, in the end, felt like they had both been Rendon Howe's victims.

[nos_astra]

Addai67 wrote...

Serissia wrote...

Does Midwinter's Thaw end up w/ an Alistair/Anders/Cousland three way or something?  I want to know now before I sink more time into it.  I'm only on chapter 17 and so, far it seems pretty good.

I started reading some of this because I hear about it now and again, but it pretty much confirmed for me my allergy to fanfiction.

Don't worry, it's just a funny/sexy one-shot that is based on the AMWT universe. It's not party of the story.

Modifié par klarabella, 30 avril 2010 - 05:36 .