cmessaz wrote...
But doesn't it ruin a romance with Alistair?
Modifié par SurelyForth, 01 mai 2010 - 05:02 .
Not at all. He's mad, but with the Persuade check he agrees that he shouldn't be giving you a hard time about it because you did what you thought was best. You can easily get back the approval loss if you pass the Persuade. I think it was -10.cmessaz wrote...
But doesn't it ruin a romance with Alistair?
So do you lose approval by siding with the Templars? Because that would justify killing Isolde, since the circle is gone.SurelyForth wrote...
cmessaz wrote...
But doesn't it ruin a romance with Alistair?
With high enough persuade and non-jerkass responses, you can just get a -7 hit and no loss of relationship status. If you don't take him with you when you sacrifice her, I think you lose more approval than if you have him there. Still, he'll get over it pretty quickly- just dangle his mother's amulet in front of him and he'll be all "Isolde who?"
cmessaz wrote...
But doesn't it ruin a romance with Alistair?
That is an amazing scene. This is after killing Isolde?tmp7704 wrote...
My CE went that route -- didn't want to risk leaving the demon run free while going to the tower and with her own mother dead it was beyond her to sacrifice someone else's mother like that, but she was willing to kill Connor given the lack of other route. That ultimately ended with Isolde begging/forcing her way to stop it and then she did it herself. The whole thing made for extremely powerful scene imo, Isolde's VA is... well, i really can't dislike her the way people tend to, having witnessed that.LadyDamodred wrote...
cmessaz wrote...
I have never killed Isolde or Connor. Even when I first played the game I saved them. I can't bring myself to do it.
Same. I'm gonna have to do it at least once, though.
edit: top of page... a suave Alistair in the background, and it's actually relevant because that's exactly the ending to the scene in question.
Modifié par cmessaz, 01 mai 2010 - 05:05 .
cmessaz wrote...
To each his own. I think Anora is an evil woman who shouldn't be in power. But thats just me.
Wish me luck with my newest toolset endeavor!
Agreed! I think lydlyd's portrait captures this wrenching dignity well.tmp7704 wrote...
The whole thing made for extremely powerful scene imo, Isolde's VA is... well, i really can't dislike her the way people tend to, having witnessed that.
I believe that is your party waiting for... *gulp*... Isolde to kill Connor.cmessaz wrote...
That is an amazing scene. This is after killing Isolde?
Addai67 wrote...
I've never been able to side with the templars, but I go the Isolde sacrifice route about half the time now. Putting things on pause to go to the Circle and back is exposing that whole village as well as everyone in the castle to more of the same. They've suffered enough. I really don't think it's the "good" thing to do to leave them to it. If your character is a strict Chantry follower, you probably would still feel you have no choice, but otherwise you should have no expectation to come back to Redcliffe and find anything but a smoking ruin.LadyDamodred wrote...
cmessaz wrote...
I have never killed Isolde or Connor. Even when I first played the game I saved them. I can't bring myself to do it.Lady Jess wrote...
cmessaz wrote...
Did you side with the Templars? I REALLY want to but don't want to screw up with Alistair in Redcliffe.
No, I never side with them. I just can't do it. I always take a hit with Alistair in Redcliffe. Even though I had the mage tower done, I sacrificed Isolde and let Jowan put me into the fade. Celeste felt since he didn't escape when he had the chance, she'd show he was trustworthy by letting him send her through the ritual. I chose the wrong option, I should have told him to run. o now he's back at the circle....
Same. I'm gonna have to do it at least once, though.
Addai67 wrote...
Oh, and if you say "I think it turned out well, don't you?" you get the usual +7 approval. I think that might be a bug, though. It's more IC for him to be mad. I think he's insecure about how Eamon will react, that he'll be caught up in the blame for what happened. However, Eamon is very reasonable about it all.
That's when she kills Connor herself. Though i think it's the same if you knock her out of the way and do it yourself, i can't remember.cmessaz wrote...
That is an amazing scene. This is after killing Isolde?
I guess it just comes back to my disqust with the whole mistress ending. It just doesn't sit well with me that the Hero of Ferelden isn't good enough. Again like I said earlier, not marrying him to the skank means you could RP that he doesn't marry because he loves your pc. Anora doesn't marry because of Loghain.Lady Jess wrote...
cmessaz wrote...
To each his own. I think Anora is an evil woman who shouldn't be in power. But thats just me.
Wish me luck with my newest toolset endeavor!
I agree. But she never gets executed, she's allowed to live, leaving her free to do exactly what she claims Alistair could do when she calls for his execution. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Modifié par cmessaz, 01 mai 2010 - 05:09 .
cmessaz wrote...
So do you lose approval by siding with the Templars? Because that would justify killing Isolde, since the circle is gone.SurelyForth wrote...
cmessaz wrote...
But doesn't it ruin a romance with Alistair?
With high enough persuade and non-jerkass responses, you can just get a -7 hit and no loss of relationship status. If you don't take him with you when you sacrifice her, I think you lose more approval than if you have him there. Still, he'll get over it pretty quickly- just dangle his mother's amulet in front of him and he'll be all "Isolde who?"
Modifié par SurelyForth, 01 mai 2010 - 05:10 .
How sad!tmp7704 wrote...
That's when she kills Connor herself. Though i think it's the same if you knock her out of the way and do it yourself, i can't remember.cmessaz wrote...
That is an amazing scene. This is after killing Isolde?
And good luck with the toolset
*nods* My HN characters usually go to the Circle, too. Just feel they have no choice. I felt like my HNM had the hardest time of anyone. The idea of killing another nobleman's wife or child tore him up.LadyDamodred wrote...
Unfortunately, my HNF knows they need Eamon, and she reasons keeping his family alive is necessary. She's also really leery about blood magic and has an issue with hurting kids after what happened to Oren. It's not to say she likes Isolde or wnats to keep her alive, but Eamon is the key figure and she wants him happy and able to function. Other characters look at it differently, but remain sketchy on the whole killing kids/sacrificing people thing.
Modifié par Addai67, 01 mai 2010 - 05:11 .
Exactly. I won't sacrifice them with my HN. Especially if you intend to be ruler with Alistair/Anora. But I will with my new mage.Addai67 wrote...
*nods* My HN characters usually go to the Circle, too. Just feel they have no choice. I felt like my HNM had the hardest time of anyone. The idea of killing another nobleman's wife or child tore him up.LadyDamodred wrote...
Unfortunately, my HNF knows they need Eamon, and she reasons keeping his family alive is necessary. She's also really leery about blood magic and has an issue with hurting kids after what happened to Oren. It's not to say she likes Isolde or wnats to keep her alive, but Eamon is the key figure and she wants him happy and able to function. Other characters look at it differently, but remain sketchy on the whole killing kids/sacrificing people thing.
The thing is, how good is Redcliffe or Eamon going to be to you if it's gone in entirety and the only forces it has left are the knights who are out being chopped up by cultists? This is a powerful, bloodthirsty demon and in just one night the whole place could be wiped out.
Lady Jess wrote...
Ok after he says "I owe the Arl more than this" you get the persuade that says I honestly did the best I could. I just replayed it, choosing
1. "I think it turned out rather well
2. It was her choice
3. Persuade
And got -16...lol
I tried downloading that last night, but it didn't look the same! It looked just like the Forgotten armor. I swear, it was the elven Warden armor but it was like chainmail, and it had what looked like mismatched gauntlets. Weird.Serissia wrote...
Alistair is hidden in this shot sadly but this armor is really beautiful. I wasn't going to bother w/ any modded armor this run but I decided to give Arcane Warrior a go again and I needed something to wear.
Basically she does it because she believes/realizes she's been painted into corner -- the player will kill her child and she is completely powerless to stop it, so in the end she begs to let her do it instead, because as the mother she can at least make it as painless as possible.cmessaz wrote...
I could NEVER kill my own child, demon or no.
moment.
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