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One thing that did surprise me is that he says "I didn't want to be king, and I still don't." I had always said that a hardened Alistair wanted to be king. He doesn't, he's just more willing to accept it and see the good in it.


That's how I see it as well. He is happier as a Warden but his sense of duty is stronger in that moment, even when he's hardened. He feels obliged to takes the throne because it's his duty and sees that he can do some good, as said. The face he makes when asking "are you willing to give up your freedom for it" says a lot as well. I think a great deal of his willingness to become king is that the only other option is the hated Anora. I quite don't know if he would be so persistent if there were another candidate. Interesting was also that he said to my FEM who stayed as mistress; "Being king is bearable-- as long I have you." (D'aaaww) So even hardened he isn't ecstatic of the idea to be king but he copes with it -- better than unhardened Ali for sure--- but I tend to think it's not the life he eventually wanted for himself.

Nevertheless I prefer Warden Alistair (though depends on the PC I'm playing) Lets have Ali his well deserved freedom, he never had in his life before. Stupid biatch can keep the throne. *shrug*

All understood, but I still can't not make him king.  Maybe it's my bias from liking Maric so much, but to me, Alistair was just meant to be king.  As he says (my DEF just heard it :wub:), it's all tolerable since he has someone he loves with him.  And he makes a good king, someone who can make a difference for the elves.  Especially with the taint marking you, you know that the Warden and Alistair are going to end up together at the end of their lives.  At least, it seems to me that that's how it should be.  So you make the best of what lies in between.

@Aimo's comic: Maker tis totally sad and emotional, yet this is how I picture the DR and Ali. He is doing this to save the woman he loves and therefore willing to sacrifice himself for this deed *sad panda* He thinks of all the things he has found and experienced and therefore is not willing to give this up. Yet all the guilt and agony showing through during the 'act' there ---simply beautiful in a twisted way.

Yes, I'm not sure I understood every panel, but it seems like he starts out passive and thinking about his lover, then as he begins to picture her walking into the mouth of the archdemon (that's the one panel where Aeducan is in the mouth of a dragon, no??), that's when he flips Morrigan over and gets at it.  I think it's a plausible scenario.  Like aimo said in the comments, I hate that the scene plays as if it's a regular tent scene, and that Alistair gets the same scene as if it was a male PC in a romance with Morrigan.  WTH is that?

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Now we finally know xD

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Lady Jess wrote...

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Gah WTF. Alistair kills Loghain, accepts being king, asks me to stick around...then gives me -2 approval AFTER saying he's fine with it. I like him much better as a lover than a friend...grumbles.

Heh, the only times I have ever made him king as his friend I married him or Anora.


Well marrying him was out, I'm a city elf in love with Zevran. Who, by the way can be incredibly friggin hot. i'm not going to reload over -2, he can just do what I do...

suck it up buttercup!

No, he and my male PC were BFF's, Aedan told him he would gladly help him etc., and he still got a -2.  Alistair is just not happy about being king.

Well, I ran the execution and exile scenarios.  I can't say it affected me much because there was too much of an air of unreality about it, since it's something my PCs would never do.  One thing that did surprise me is that he says "I didn't want to be king, and I still don't."  I had always said that a hardened Alistair wanted to be king.  He doesn't, he's just more willing to accept it and see the good in it.


Still catching up here, but when does he say that?  I was pretty sure that was an unhardened Alistair line.


If he says that somewhere, hardened, it's in contradiction to other things he says. Of course, it depends on what he means by 'want.' He might want to be king and very much want Anora not to be queen, and still wish he could stay a warden. It's a big complicated deal with lots of factors. He probably wouldn't feel just one thing.


He only says that when you're sparing Loghain, because he sees it as the only way he'll get his justice against him. He's painted into  a corner, with no time to think about it.


I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on that. ;)

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Pictures of the "Wild Prince/Sean Bean" Alistair.

Not a fan of Australian-surfer-dude Alistair.  Doesn't approach Maricstair to my mind.

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LadyDamodred wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

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Lady Jess wrote...

Gah WTF. Alistair kills Loghain, accepts being king, asks me to stick around...then gives me -2 approval AFTER saying he's fine with it. I like him much better as a lover than a friend...grumbles.

Heh, the only times I have ever made him king as his friend I married him or Anora.


Well marrying him was out, I'm a city elf in love with Zevran. Who, by the way can be incredibly friggin hot. i'm not going to reload over -2, he can just do what I do...

suck it up buttercup!

No, he and my male PC were BFF's, Aedan told him he would gladly help him etc., and he still got a -2.  Alistair is just not happy about being king.

Well, I ran the execution and exile scenarios.  I can't say it affected me much because there was too much of an air of unreality about it, since it's something my PCs would never do.  One thing that did surprise me is that he says "I didn't want to be king, and I still don't."  I had always said that a hardened Alistair wanted to be king.  He doesn't, he's just more willing to accept it and see the good in it.


Still catching up here, but when does he say that?  I was pretty sure that was an unhardened Alistair line.

No, that was hardened Alistair when I was playing the exile/execution scenarios.  It's when he is trying to seize the throne to prevent Loghain from being recruited into the Wardens.

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Yes, I'm not sure I understood every panel, but it seems like he starts out passive and thinking about his lover, then as he begins to picture her walking into the mouth of the archdemon (that's the one panel where Aeducan is in the mouth of a dragon, no??), that's when he flips Morrigan over and gets at it.  I think it's a plausible scenario.  Like aimo said in the comments, I hate that the scene plays as if it's a regular tent scene, and that Alistair gets the same scene as if it was a male PC in a romance with Morrigan.  WTH is that?


Everything after the Landsmeet is really poorly done, it's fairly obvious that the devs ran out of time and/or funds.  There's so much in the Toolset it seems like for a while they were unsure as to what, where and who was going to actually be included in the game.  Really Awakening is like that too.  It has a good beginning and middle but fails to deliver w/ the ending.

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*pounces on cmessaz* I HAVE BEEN EXPECTING YOU. O____O


*cough*

So umm, I just had a question, since you have the Forgotten Armor on. You mentioned you had it since Ostagar, right? At which part exactly does it show up in your inventory? Because I'm here and, well... it's not showing. >3>;


Have you tried completely uninstalling/reinstalling the mod instead of just shutting it off in the DLC?

I've tried that, still nothing. I'll know something is up if the armor doesn't show once I'm in Lothering. But I guess this works out alright in a sense. My HNF couldn't have suddenly gotten a nice set of armor out of thin air, after all. xD Will just have to comfort myself with the thought that I'm doing an accurate RP.

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Oooooh, okay. I think I recall that now. Yeah, that line always struck me as one of the ones that's slightly continuity breaking, but it's easy enough to RP away.

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Weird.  That's what I do, too.  Alistair and I sneak out, or sometimes fight if I'm having a bad day, and there's never anybody there.  What the hell is this?!  *might go and try again*  Hrm.  Does it work for sneaking or just fighting?

Lady Jess:  I mean the elves aren't comparable, not the kings.


Well, how do you escape the cell as a warrior?  I was playing a rogue so, I picked the lock on the door to free myself from the cell.  I killed the first few guards until I came across the suits of armor to use as a disguise.  I pick pocketed the guard that talks about having a list of the passwords.  I used that to gain access to the next area.  After that I presuaded my way past the lady guard that is like "wtf are you doing?".  Unless I walk into the Captain's room right near the exit I generally can make it all the way out w/o fighting much. 

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Cat purity must not be defiled by mutt dogs!

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I think this page lacks a bit sweetness ^_^

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Aww, this reminds me of my DEF.  The hairstyle is different, but otherwise pretty close.  I just played her end game and had her stay in Denerim with him, so maybe if she stays at court (I figure she'll recruit for the GWs from there, I didn't make her chancellor because I wanted the Dalish boon) she'll get a fancier hairdo.  ^_^

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Serissia wrote...

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Weird.  That's what I do, too.  Alistair and I sneak out, or sometimes fight if I'm having a bad day, and there's never anybody there.  What the hell is this?!  *might go and try again*  Hrm.  Does it work for sneaking or just fighting?

Lady Jess:  I mean the elves aren't comparable, not the kings.


Well, how do you escape the cell as a warrior?  I was playing a rogue so, I picked the lock on the door to free myself from the cell.  I killed the first few guards until I came across the suits of armor to use as a disguise.  I pick pocketed the guard that talks about having a list of the passwords.  I used that to gain access to the next area.  After that I presuaded my way past the lady guard that is like "wtf are you doing?".  Unless I walk into the Captain's room right near the exit I generally can make it all the way out w/o fighting much. 


You call the guard over and punch him in the face.  XD  And I never have to kill anyone before or after I find the armor.  I then go and bluff my way past the captain, pick up the two loser guards and walk out.  I love Alistair trying to answer the captain.  "What do I say?"

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Well, how do you escape the cell as a warrior?  I was playing a rogue so, I picked the lock on the door to free myself from the cell.  I killed the first few guards until I came across the suits of armor to use as a disguise.  I pick pocketed the guard that talks about having a list of the passwords.  I used that to gain access to the next area.  After that I presuaded my way past the lady guard that is like "wtf are you doing?".  Unless I walk into the Captain's room right near the exit I generally can make it all the way out w/o fighting much. 

You smack the guard around and he falls over and dies.

If you play your cards right, you get a really funny scene where you present yourself as a patrol to the captain.  This requires you to (if I can remember right), first get the disguises, Persuade the guy in the armory to leave, then talk to the captain and say you're the new recruits, then go talk to the two numbskulls in the end room and take them back to the armory to get their regulation swords.  Then you go back to the captain and he does a hilarious drill sergeant routine.  Alistair gets a cute line here, you really should try this if you haven't yet.  It also allows you to leave with no fighting whatsoever, other than the first two guards outside your cell.

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You call the guard over and punch him in the face.  XD  And I never have to kill anyone before or after I find the armor.  I then go and bluff my way past the captain, pick up the two loser guards and walk out.  I love Alistair trying to answer the captain.  "What do I say?"


Perhaps I'm by passing the event trigger by picking the lock vs talking to the guard?

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Weird.  That's what I do, too.  Alistair and I sneak out, or sometimes fight if I'm having a bad day, and there's never anybody there.  What the hell is this?!  *might go and try again*  Hrm.  Does it work for sneaking or just fighting?

Lady Jess:  I mean the elves aren't comparable, not the kings.


Well, how do you escape the cell as a warrior?  I was playing a rogue so, I picked the lock on the door to free myself from the cell.  I killed the first few guards until I came across the suits of armor to use as a disguise.  I pick pocketed the guard that talks about having a list of the passwords.  I used that to gain access to the next area.  After that I presuaded my way past the lady guard that is like "wtf are you doing?".  Unless I walk into the Captain's room right near the exit I generally can make it all the way out w/o fighting much. 


You call the guard over and punch him in the face.  XD  And I never have to kill anyone before or after I find the armor.  I then go and bluff my way past the captain, pick up the two loser guards and walk out.  I love Alistair trying to answer the captain.  "What do I say?"


I always enjoy giving him the wrong answer,  "A sword!"

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LadyDamodred wrote...

Serissia wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
Weird.  That's what I do, too.  Alistair and I sneak out, or sometimes fight if I'm having a bad day, and there's never anybody there.  What the hell is this?!  *might go and try again*  Hrm.  Does it work for sneaking or just fighting?

Lady Jess:  I mean the elves aren't comparable, not the kings.


Well, how do you escape the cell as a warrior?  I was playing a rogue so, I picked the lock on the door to free myself from the cell.  I killed the first few guards until I came across the suits of armor to use as a disguise.  I pick pocketed the guard that talks about having a list of the passwords.  I used that to gain access to the next area.  After that I presuaded my way past the lady guard that is like "wtf are you doing?".  Unless I walk into the Captain's room right near the exit I generally can make it all the way out w/o fighting much. 


You call the guard over and punch him in the face.  XD  And I never have to kill anyone before or after I find the armor.  I then go and bluff my way past the captain, pick up the two loser guards and walk out.  I love Alistair trying to answer the captain.  "What do I say?"


Heh, I always think it's funny how much easier it is to escape than be rescued. Oh, companions....

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You smack the guard around and he falls over and dies.

If you play your cards right, you get a really funny scene where you present yourself as a patrol to the captain.  This requires you to (if I can remember right), first get the disguises, Persuade the guy in the armory to leave, then talk to the captain and say you're the new recruits, then go talk to the two numbskulls in the end room and take them back to the armory to get their regulation swords.  Then you go back to the captain and he does a hilarious drill sergeant routine.  Alistair gets a cute line here, you really should try this if you haven't yet.  It also allows you to leave with no fighting whatsoever, other than the first two guards outside your cell.


Yeah, I've never got any of that before.  I accidently stumbled into a senior officer's area and the guy assumed we were new recruits and told us that we were late.  Nothing came of it though, I just left the room and proceeded on as normal.

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Serissia wrote...

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You smack the guard around and he falls over and dies.

If you play your cards right, you get a really funny scene where you present yourself as a patrol to the captain.  This requires you to (if I can remember right), first get the disguises, Persuade the guy in the armory to leave, then talk to the captain and say you're the new recruits, then go talk to the two numbskulls in the end room and take them back to the armory to get their regulation swords.  Then you go back to the captain and he does a hilarious drill sergeant routine.  Alistair gets a cute line here, you really should try this if you haven't yet.  It also allows you to leave with no fighting whatsoever, other than the first two guards outside your cell.


Yeah, I've never got any of that before.  I accidently stumbled into a senior officer's area and the guy assumed we were new recruits and told us that we were late.  Nothing came of it though, I just left the room and proceeded on as normal.

Sounds like you missed the two idiots in the room at the end of the hall?

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Sounds like you missed the two idiots in the room at the end of the hall?


The ones talking about the password sheet?  I just pick pocket it off of them for the answer.  I think I skipped event triggers by using rogue skills.

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You people are actually comparing Alistair to Sean Bean, aka Boromir?

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Oh come on. You can see the manliness oozing from him.
 
And sure thing LD!


They based Bann Teagan on this god, no question. You can totally see it around the face.


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Sounds like you missed the two idiots in the room at the end of the hall?


The ones talking about the password sheet?  I just pick pocket it off of them for the answer.  I think I skipped event triggers by using rogue skills.

Yeah, if you talk to them with disguises on and after talking to the captain, you can convince them that you're there to go out on patrol with them.

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Curse you KoP! I have never seen that movie, and now never will. Aww he dies in Oblivion too. Poor dude.


Here you go
EDIT: that's the rest of the scene:

In all seriousness, I actually cried on that scene. Most powerful scene in the entire trilogy imo.
And Boromir was the most "human" character, in otherwords the best.


Agreed.  I always cry in that scene.  Damn good movies Cmessaz you really need to watch all three.

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Yeah, if you talk to them with disguises on and after talking to the captain, you can convince them that you're there to go out on patrol with them.


Yeah, I might try that w/ my mage.  I think I'm going to try this escape senario w/ Alistair vs letting him save me since that doesn't sound all that special.  Plus I like having Alistair always w/ me.  Perhaps I'll do both if I'm very motivated. 

Stealing Burwick's note in Redcliff village then talking to him is kind of funny.  

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