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[LadyDamodred]

Yes. Clearly my HNF is *very* well read, and Alistair and I have an excellent teacher/student relationship.



Dear god we have hopelessly derailed this thread and I don't even care. XD

[Thor Rand Al]

sylvanaerie wrote...

from the we heart Alistair group...a pic...bear with me and I apologize if this doesn't take I have no idea what I am doing here but trying..
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ROFLMFAO

[Thor Rand Al]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Yes. Clearly my HNF is *very* well read, and Alistair and I have an excellent teacher/student relationship.

Dear god we have hopelessly derailed this thread and I don't even care. XD

Actually we really haven't, it's still on Alistair so to speak . 
I keep waiting for a guy to come on and see the talk and making some kind of remark about women, like that 1 earlier lmao.

[cmessaz]

That is just freakin awsome. Yes, um, where is this thread going? Hey anything with Alistair in his underwear is worth my time, lol.

[Bratt1204]

cmessaz wrote...

That is just freakin awsome. Yes, um, where is this thread going? Hey anything with Alistair in his underwear is worth my time, lol.

I agree with that statement.

[cmessaz]

Alright it's official, I am a nerd. Hey where is the guy that comes in just to make a comment.....come on I'm trying to fish you out!

[Bratt1204]

cmessaz wrote...

Alright it's official, I am a nerd. Hey where is the guy that comes in just to make a comment.....come on I'm trying to fish you out!

It just cracks me up - these guys actually seem jealous that we ladies  Alistair soooo much. I don't get it - I don't see any females doing that to the Morrigan or Lelianna fanboys.

Modifié par Bratt1204, 10 avril 2010 - 10:05 .

[cmessaz]

Well the ones that just come in and roll their eyes, or the ones who just avoid the forum because the name Alistair is in the title have my respect. The ones who make a comment make me laugh.

[sylvanaerie]

well David Gaider had a SCORCHING post on a "I hate Alistair thread" I read the other day. Had me almost falling out of my seat laughing. Let me see if I can find a snippet or a link...

There it is...hope this copies...

http://social.biowar.../index/650435/1

You will have to scroll down a bit and wade through some Alistair hate but this has to the the most scathingly funny defense of the NPC I have ever read.

Damn I don't know if that worked or not so I copy/pasted his post here...

Tell you what.

Next time we put in a male lead, we will make sure to make him the manliest and most stoic creature you could possibly imagine. Just for you. He will be so manly he will suck the body hair right off of John Wayne and make Chuck Norris weep with envy. He will never show a single emotion, not even at his grandmother's funeral, and will never utter a single complaint about your actions... he will simply reach out of the game, slap you across the face and then take over the party.

The rest of the party won't mind, and neither will you... because he will be that awesome. Deep down inside you will resent him, and resent the fact that every NPC in every town the party enters falls in love with him and not with you. But that part of you also knows he deserves that love. Even needs it.

I am certain there is not a single fault that you or anyone could find with such a character.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 10 avril 2010 - 10:24 .

[cmessaz]

OMG I love it. Awsome!

[sylvanaerie]

and because i am learning more as I do this and because you can NEVER have too many pics of Alistair looking adorable...here's a little gem someone posted on another thread ...

[Thor Rand Al]

Lmao I was actually scanning that thread the other day and saw DG's comment. I was thinking you go Gaider lol.

[cmessaz]

Have you ever read game informer's opinion of Alistair? They wrote an apology note saying that they guess all you have to do is act like a stupid weiner to get girls. Alistair was made the way he is because of the life he led. The truth is he WAS an heir to the throne, and everyone just made him think the way he does so that he wouldn't be a threat. If you actually think about things, and read the codex you get in Ostagar (the letters Arl Eamon wrote to Cailen) I don't particularly care for Eamon and think that he really DOES want Alistair on the throne for his own personal gain. Alistair is a damn well written character. The fade thing when he dissappears is the only part that actually really annoys me about him.

[LadyDamodred]

I think the Fade is the most annoying part to. The other instance where I'm like 'Goddamnit, Alistair!' is after I let him kill Loghain and he's all 'Wait, wait? No. No one's decided that, have they?' Like, UGH, you are not helping right now!

[cmessaz]

Yeah, make your case Alistair! Lol, which is why I think the female Cousland marriage is the best bet for Ferelden. She would know how to rule.

[sylvanaerie]

cmessaz wrote...

Have you ever read game informer's opinion of Alistair? They wrote an apology note saying that they guess all you have to do is act like a stupid weiner to get girls. Alistair was made the way he is because of the life he led. The truth is he WAS an heir to the throne, and everyone just made him think the way he does so that he wouldn't be a threat. If you actually think about things, and read the codex you get in Ostagar (the letters Arl Eamon wrote to Cailen) I don't particularly care for Eamon and think that he really DOES want Alistair on the throne for his own personal gain. Alistair is a damn well written character. The fade thing when he dissappears is the only part that actually really annoys me about him.

*facepalms* I guess they really just don't get it. 

I despise Eamon after several playthroughs I hate him more and more.   He immediately goes into "politician" mode and angles to get Alistair on the throne.  Granted it is to save Alistair's life but its also to put someone Eamon thinks he can better control than Anora on the throne.  Cailan I took to also be a bit intractable (I have no proof but I think the one who crumpled that one missive from Eamon was Cailan himself in anger).

Unfortunately when I see Eamon and Loghain fussing in Denerim before you go deal with Howe I just keep thinking "Pot, meet Kettle"

One of the reasons I adore Teagan so much is he is the ONLY adult Guerrin who seems be genuinely happy Alistair is alive, not for what he can get from the boy but his expression is just pure pleasure than Al survived Ostagar...but I adore Teagan I might be prejudiced

[LadyDamodred]

The best thing about fanfic is that I got to rewrite that scene and it explains why Alistair said that. I had to do SOMETHING to give a reason why he would babble like that. -.-

@sylvanaerie:  So I guess you wouldn't be a fan of my Eamon one-shot, eh?  I like the guy, oddly enough.

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 10 avril 2010 - 10:57 .

[sylvanaerie]

LadyDamodred wrote...

The best thing about fanfic is that I got to rewrite that scene and it explains why Alistair said that. I had to do SOMETHING to give a reason why he would babble like that. -.-

@sylvanaerie:  So I guess you wouldn't be a fan of my Eamon one-shot, eh?  I like the guy, oddly enough.

LOL Nope I hate him almost as much as I hate Loghain.  But neither of them comes even close to Howe, though Tim Curry is awesome

[LadyDamodred]

Awww. *sniffs sadly and gives sylvan puppy-dog eyes* I second the Tim Curry love. I don't even hate Loghain. I just feel really bad for him. Doesn't stop me from giving him to Alistair, though.

[cmessaz]

Is that Tim Curry? I liked Eamon until you really look at the big picture. I mean, he made Alistair sleep in the barn?! And basically he tells Cailen to go screw someone other than Anora to make an heir? Also, if you actually get into a decent conversation with Anora, she basically tells you that Cailen wouldn't have minded Alistair at court, that it was Eamons decision to keep him away. That is when I started to dislike him, and I'm starting to get the sense that Alistair is his puppet, if you choose the right dialogue in Awakening as his wife, he says if he stays with you to fight darkspawn "Eamon would have a heart attack." But the queen of Ferelden? Oh no thats ok. Just makes you wonder if he is trying to get you away from Alistair so he can convince him to concieve another bastard.

Modifié par cmessaz, 10 avril 2010 - 11:09 .

[sylvanaerie]

yea...I hate that line when Teagan asks Eamon "Do you mean Alistair" and Eamon gives the impression of normally he wouldn't suggest it but "The unthinkable has happened" RIGHT in front of the boy I just wanted to reach into the monitor screen and squeeze his neck till his eyeballs popped out. Have to suffice myself with yelling at the monitor "HEY he is STANDING right there!!"



Sorry I tend to think of the little pixil people I like almost like my kids and it brings out the mama bear in me.

[LadyDamodred]

Shameless self-promotiom:
 www.fanfiction.net/s/5829039/1/

*whistles*

So, yes, what was this topic again?  Oh yes,  Alistair.  He is awesome. 

[Addai]

Aw, I really don't understand the Eamon hate. He is a Theirin royalist and a good, honest nobleman IMO- the kind of noble who earns that name. As Jowan tells you, in regards to Connor he would do the right thing even if it cost him his own heir. I don't believe he mistreated Alistair, he was just pulled in different directions and went from being clueless bachelor to slightly whipped husband. Alistair sort of suffered in the midst of all that, but it was more a matter of circumstance than ill intent on Eamon's part IMO. Alistair probably slept with the squires, but he will also say that Eamon took him with him to Denerim and bought him a golem figurine etc. I think Eamon was trying to do his best. Similarly, if it weren't for Eamon, Loghain probably would have gotten away with it all.

As for his comment about Anora, again this is his royalist tendency coming out. But he is not wrong. He saw how in the rebellion, it was the Calenhad legend that drew the country together and inspired them. His family lost a lot, just as Loghain's did. He does not want to see that legacy be wasted.

Modifié par Addai67, 10 avril 2010 - 11:18 .

[errant_knight]

cmessaz wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Man I so got to figure out how to use this toolset thing everyone talks about ...

<----computer moron here...

I had to figure it out on my own, I have some programming experience. However, it is possible to read all possible dialogue options without having the ability to edit anything, which will prevent anything happening that would mess the game up. You actually have to check out the resource to edit anything. I can tell you how to view it if you have the toolset. It is very easy. Reading through has opened up new conversations with companions. I have fixed some of the bugs so in MY game they work, but I have no idea how to fix it for other people.

is it something I can open up in the game (I use the PC Version) or is it something I download from the site here?

http://social.biowar...page/da-toolset
Download here, it takes a bit to install. Let it do it's thing and then you can pm me if you want and I'll walk you to the dialogue. If you feel comfortable with it, I can tell you how to fix a few minor issues with Alistair's conversations that aren't showing up properly in game. I am working on some of the bigger issues that I have found, I just wish I knew how to get it into a DAzip or something for others to use.

I bet there are a few of us who'd like to know how that works. Maybe you could post a bit of a toolset walkthrough in one of the threads? If you have time, of course....

[sylvanaerie]

Uh oh...I'm in trouble...no new pics of Al...and hands...moving to some Teagan gems....must...fight urge....You have ...no ...power...over...me...