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[SurelyForth]

yukidama wrote...

I suppose if you take the Warden ending with Alistair then all of Awakening takes place during the time he went to make Duncan's memorial, huh? Haha, Awakening is a continuity disastuh.

I've come to the conclusion that the only epilogues that matter are those you get when you do the US with no love interests. So Zev is back with the Crows, Leliana is in Orlais, Oghren gets married and whelps, Alistair is either king or he goes back to the Wardens but leaves shortly thereafter, Loghain stays with the Wardens. The Awakening epilogues are your actual "continuity" and, even then, they're buggy and/or nonsensical. 

I'm posting this. 

Maricstair...it's better than the atrocities being posted from the Nexus:

Modifié par SurelyForth, 04 mai 2010 - 12:23 .

[mellifera]

SurelyForth wrote...

yukidama wrote...

I suppose if you take the Warden ending with Alistair then all of Awakening takes place during the time he went to make Duncan's memorial, huh? Haha, Awakening is a continuity disastuh.

I've come to the conclusion that the only epilogues that matter are those you get when you do the US with no love interests. So Zev is back with the Crows, Leliana is in Orlais, Oghren gets married and whelps, Alistair is either king or he goes back to the Wardens but leaves shortly thereafter, Loghain stays with the Wardens. The Awakening epilogues are your actual "continuity" and, even then, they're buggy and/or nonsensical. 

Yeah, seems that way. It's funny how irrelevant your Warden seems to become the minute you kill the Archdemon. Like all your choices save who you put on the throne never happened. If they were planning on making sequels they should have worked these things out a bit better :/

>: | SNEAKY MARICSTAIR EDIT >:|||

Modifié par yukidama, 04 mai 2010 - 12:27 .

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...

yukidama wrote...

I told her to stay at the circle. My character has healing abilities and I already had Morrigan. I didn't need another mage but the Circle definitely needed her there to help rebuild. It worked out for the best, I didn't have to hear her preachy BS again <_<

It's odd, I can't stand preachy nagging IRL, but I absolutely love Wynne.  She doesn't really come off as overbearing to me in game.  Actually a lot of what she says is spot on, especially about the romances if you're with Morrigan or Alistair (even if it's not what you want to hear ). 

She's probably my most used character outside of Morrigan/Leliana.

The thing about Wynne is not just what she says, but the hypocrisy of some of her words versus her actions, stuff which isn't always obvious at first blush.  This is why I think she's brilliantly written.  You can actually make a plausible case that Wynne's Fade fairy is not a benevolent spirit at all but a Pride demon.  Also, the Guardian really has her number.  A lot of what she says is blather, not actual wisdom.

Then again, Alistair does like her and finds a bit of a replacement mom in her.   When I think about it that way, I might have to go back and get the old hag on this playthrough.  *heavy sigh*  I can't resist his plea to take Leliana along, either.  The things I do for that pixel man!  But no amount of puppy eyes is going to induce me to take Wynne to RtO again.

[Lady Jess]

errant_knight wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Ok, So...I think my warrior is going to stay at Ostagar. I've married Alistair, I've betrayed Alistair, I've run off to the wardens with him, I've got a mistress ending in the works, And I have a zev romance ending. I just cannot think of any more ways to play it.

Leliana romance?

Enh, I almost always play it pretty much the same way and with the same origin, and I sitll seem to find at least one new bit of dialogue each playthrough. Instead of trying to find some big new thing, I just try and play better--use less poultices, buy different things.... I still haven't played the whole thing on nightmare--there's a couple of battles I have trouble with on that.

Re: the picture above. Er, what is that, exactly?

I'm completely nuts, and intend to have contingency plans in place. I keep going over the "what ifs" in my head. So I'm trying to have two of each class and origin that were my favorites. Human mage with warden ending (really the only way to end that for me), Elven mage with Mistress ending.  HNF rogues that have both married the king, and spared Loghain while in a romance with Alistair. City Elf Warrior that stayed with Zevran. i just need a HNF warden ending I think, which will either be the new warrior, or another rogue. It's hard to decide.

But all of this on the chance that if ONE ending gets continued and turns out to be a heartbreak in the future, I'll have another of the same origin, with an alternate. So I basically try to have characters I adore equally. There's really only one ending to the Zev romance of course. My city elf chose to be Bann of the Alienage, and stay in Denerim...and it said he stayed with me...for a time.

[Lady Jess]

yukidama wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

yukidama wrote...

I suppose if you take the Warden ending with Alistair then all of Awakening takes place during the time he went to make Duncan's memorial, huh? Haha, Awakening is a continuity disastuh.

I've come to the conclusion that the only epilogues that matter are those you get when you do the US with no love interests. So Zev is back with the Crows, Leliana is in Orlais, Oghren gets married and whelps, Alistair is either king or he goes back to the Wardens but leaves shortly thereafter, Loghain stays with the Wardens. The Awakening epilogues are your actual "continuity" and, even then, they're buggy and/or nonsensical. 

Yeah, seems that way. It's funny how irrelevant your Warden seems to become the minute you kill the Archdemon. Like all your choices save who you put on the throne never happened. If they were planning on making sequels they should have worked these things out a bit better :/

>: | SNEAKY MARICSTAIR EDIT >:|||

Just keep reminding yourself it's an expansion, not a sequel...thats what I do, and why I keep building up various endings...lol

[SurelyForth]

yukidama wrote...

>: | SNEAKY MARICSTAIR EDIT >:|||

[Lady Jess]

What happens if you're full rmnce with Zev and do a political marriage to Alistair?

[Addai]

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

If i'm playing a Mage, i leave her in camp. I'm often a healer and i have Morrigan as a Damager. I always take Alistair, Sten and Dog "Thanks to the extra dog slot."

If i'm playing an elf, then i use her as a healer.

I play on Easy so this might not work on higher difficulties, but I set Morri's tactics to heal ally at 75% and everyone to take a potion at 50%.  Heal has a pretty quick cooldown, so this worked very efficiently on my rogue characters, not as well on my blood mage because Morri kept wasting mana trying to heal my PC.  But, I also prefer to use mages as damage/control.  I'm sorely missing Blood Wound on this playthrough.  I just couldn't see Ali with a blood mage, and if a blood mage were to stay as chancellor, that could be bad for Alistair Rex.

Modifié par Addai67, 04 mai 2010 - 12:36 .

[Serissia]

Well, there's this mod now so, you can have your LI at the castle.  I suppose it wouldn't make sense to have the King back but the others...

It's kind of ironic that w/in a month or so modders were able to put Awakening content into Origins, make DLC import and do something like this.  There's no reason why the devs didn't do it in the first place... it would of appeased many people.

Modifié par Serissia, 04 mai 2010 - 12:39 .

[Addai]

Lady Jess wrote...

What happens if you're full rmnce with Zev and do a political marriage to Alistair?

Ask ejoslin, this is pretty much her canon game.    Zevran is not thrilled but jokes that he loves a royal scandal.  Alistair accepts it as well as any political marriage- which is to say that he is not happy, but will go along as long as you can Persuade.

[Gilsa]

cmessaz wrote...

It was hearthwrenching and it pisses me off. He's ok with no heir if he's with the Cousland lady? It sort of angers me that the only way to have the best ending with him is to be HN.

That's just origins though. Look it from a different perspective. IF (and this is a big if, imo) Alistair is going to be important/significant in sequels or expansions, what if rebuild-the-grey-warden Alistair actually proposes to his lady love later? What if they can actually have a wedding later? All those Couslands who rushed off to have a political wedding with Alistair (especially since it wasn't even his idea) have pretty much cheated themselves out of something more romantic down the road.

ORRRR what if actually being King and Queen bites them in the ass? This isn't Cinderella. This is Ferelden and politics are going to get naaaaastier.

Just because it seems like the best ending on paper for origins doesn't mean it'll continue to be that way.

No offense to the Couslands! We're just the step-sisters watching the prince dance with someone else at the ball. Don't mind us!

[Lady Jess]

Serissia wrote...

Well, there's this mod now so, you can have your LI at the castle.  I suppose it wouldn't make sense to have the King back but the others...

I did it with Zev. It's okif you don't mind that he doesn't have a voice. His lines are relevent though.

[Addai]

sylvanaerie wrote...
 If anyone can provide me with a "Gentlemanly" way to play out Morri romance and grabbing the throne please give me some ideas. Its one of the few scenarios I haven't done yet.

Unhardened Ali?  He doesn't want it, so you're actually doing him a favor.

[Gilsa]

@Addai -- Awakening changes things up. I don't remember the details, but I remember some Zevran fans being upset over how it carried over in Awakening. The game acts like Political-Marriage-Alistair is Happily-In-Love Alistair in Orlais. (Married is married.) It's not really making the royal scandal distinction carry over.

[Addai]

Serissia wrote...

Wow I just got an encounter in Denerim I've never gotten before. I got a back alley w/ a Revenant in it.

It's a random encounter.  I think I've gotten it on every game, though.

No, I wasn't making trips to the Pearl.  LOL

[Addai]

Gilsa wrote...

@Addai -- Awakening changes things up. I don't remember the details, but I remember some Zevran fans being upset over how it carried over in Awakening. The game acts like Political-Marriage-Alistair is Happily-In-Love Alistair in Orlais. (Married is married.) It's not really making the royal scandal distinction carry over.

Yes, because they flattened the interaction with Alistair so that everyone gets the same scene.  You could just play it that Alistair is keeping up appearances, I suppose.

[Lady Jess]

Addai67 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

What happens if you're full rmnce with Zev and do a political marriage to Alistair?

Ask ejoslin, this is pretty much her canon game.    Zevran is not thrilled but jokes that he loves a royal scandal.  Alistair accepts it as well as any political marriage- which is to say that he is not happy, but will go along as long as you can Persuade.

Maybe I can finally get away with that "Well maybe not your heirs" line?...lol Thats one ending I haven't done. But you just WATCH, someday THAT will be the one that bites me in the arse. I'll end up providing a danged "heir" via Zevran, He'll get mad and run off, and I'll be stuck with a loveless marriage to a resentful king.

That reminds me, I need a Kasha 2.0, she's by far my favorite rogue, but a thought struck me in the shower. See my contingencey issues above...what if in our future, Alistair resents us for making him king and it ends the relationship. Seeee always thinking ahead...covering all the bases...lol

[mellifera]

Gilsa wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

It was hearthwrenching and it pisses me off. He's ok with no heir if he's with the Cousland lady? It sort of angers me that the only way to have the best ending with him is to be HN.

That's just origins though. Look it from a different perspective. IF (and this is a big if, imo) Alistair is going to be important/significant in sequels or expansions, what if rebuild-the-grey-warden Alistair actually proposes to his lady love later? What if they can actually have a wedding later? All those Couslands who rushed off to have a political wedding with Alistair (especially since it wasn't even his idea) have pretty much cheated themselves out of something more romantic down the road.

ORRRR what if actually being King and Queen bites them in the ass? This isn't Cinderella. This is Ferelden and politics are going to get naaaaastier.

Just because it seems like the best ending on paper for origins doesn't mean it'll continue to be that way.

No offense to the Couslands! We're just the step-sisters watching the prince dance with someone else at the ball. Don't mind us!

Haha, 'tis why I have my Couslands but also have my non-human character that I probably love more than them. The "duty duty duty" thing grates after a bit and I just said "screw it" and went to the Wardens with Alistair. To be honest rebuilding the Wardens and staying together is a lot more appealing than the world of royalty and nobles in my eyes. Sure it may be selfish and not What's Best For Ferelden but any route you choose can screw you over eventually.

And yes, nobody ever said you couldn't get married outside of becoming the queen > The game may not tell you this outright but there isn't anything really stopping you from imagining it and it's not an impossibility, right?

Modifié par yukidama, 04 mai 2010 - 12:50 .

[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...


Maricstair...it's better than the atrocities being posted from the Nexus:

  THIS is my Alistair Rex profile.

[Lady Jess]

Gilsa wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

It was hearthwrenching and it pisses me off. He's ok with no heir if he's with the Cousland lady? It sort of angers me that the only way to have the best ending with him is to be HN.

That's just origins though. Look it from a different perspective. IF (and this is a big if, imo) Alistair is going to be important/significant in sequels or expansions, what if rebuild-the-grey-warden Alistair actually proposes to his lady love later? What if they can actually have a wedding later? All those Couslands who rushed off to have a political wedding with Alistair (especially since it wasn't even his idea) have pretty much cheated themselves out of something more romantic down the road.

ORRRR what if actually being King and Queen bites them in the ass? This isn't Cinderella. This is Ferelden and politics are going to get naaaaastier.

Just because it seems like the best ending on paper for origins doesn't mean it'll continue to be that way.

No offense to the Couslands! We're just the step-sisters watching the prince dance with someone else at the ball. Don't mind us!

SEE!! Contingincy planner isn't nuts!!! Ok I am, I have over 600 hours played trying to prepare for EVERYTHING, but dammit I love the game too much to not be prepared for it all.

[mellifera]

Lady Jess wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

It was hearthwrenching and it pisses me off. He's ok with no heir if he's with the Cousland lady? It sort of angers me that the only way to have the best ending with him is to be HN.

That's just origins though. Look it from a different perspective. IF (and this is a big if, imo) Alistair is going to be important/significant in sequels or expansions, what if rebuild-the-grey-warden Alistair actually proposes to his lady love later? What if they can actually have a wedding later? All those Couslands who rushed off to have a political wedding with Alistair (especially since it wasn't even his idea) have pretty much cheated themselves out of something more romantic down the road.

ORRRR what if actually being King and Queen bites them in the ass? This isn't Cinderella. This is Ferelden and politics are going to get naaaaastier.

Just because it seems like the best ending on paper for origins doesn't mean it'll continue to be that way.

No offense to the Couslands! We're just the step-sisters watching the prince dance with someone else at the ball. Don't mind us!

SEE!! Contingincy planner isn't nuts!!! Ok I am, I have over 600 hours played trying to prepare for EVERYTHING, but dammit I love the game too much to not be prepared for it all.

Haha, yeah, I have a zillion different saves with different endings just for whatever the have stored in the future. Which would be hilarious and annoying as hell if they don't really carry anything over.

[Serissia]

My HMF is going to be Alistair's Queen this play through. Screw it. If DA2 ends up having these Warden import than I'll just use a different one.

[Addai]

Lady Jess wrote...

Maybe I can finally get away with that "Well maybe not your heirs" line?...lol Thats one ending I haven't done. But you just WATCH, someday THAT will be the one that bites me in the arse. I'll end up providing a danged "heir" via Zevran, He'll get mad and run off, and I'll be stuck with a loveless marriage to a resentful king.

When KoP made his thread about which king/queen pair was best, I started to think about it and I think even my HNF would propose Zevran as babydaddy.  This is at the utter extremity of desperation, mind you, short of divorcing Alistair so that he can marry someone else.  I really think it would be better, rather than an Alistair bastard inheriting, to have the Cousland queen discreetly get pregnant by someone else.

It would be sooo complicated if it were Zevran, though.  My HNF and Zevran teetered on the edge of a romance and, being a sneaky rogue type herself, she depended a lot on him as her partner in crime.  To exploit that bit of a love triangle would be all kinds of heartbreak.  But... who else would she be able to trust??  It would make for a good story, anyway.

what if in our future, Alistair resents us for making him king and it ends the relationship. Seeee always thinking ahead...covering all the bases...lol

I don't think there's much chance of this.  By end game, hardened Alistair is accepting his duty and thinking about the good he can do.  Unhardened Alistair may very well do so, however.

[Gilsa]

That reminds me -- what happens with the human male/Anora marriage with hardened Leliana sticking around? Was there an epilogue card that addressed this for Awakening? Was the king still able to run off with Leliana? Just curious if anyone ever mentioned that happening.