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[Gilsa]

I think Alistair is far more likely to kick you to the curb once he realizes the full magnitude of sleeping with Morrigan rather than him being mad about being king. =p

[Lady Jess]

Addai67 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Maybe I can finally get away with that "Well maybe not your heirs" line?...lol Thats one ending I haven't done. But you just WATCH, someday THAT will be the one that bites me in the arse. I'll end up providing a danged "heir" via Zevran, He'll get mad and run off, and I'll be stuck with a loveless marriage to a resentful king.

When KoP made his thread about which king/queen pair was best, I started to think about it and I think even my HNF would propose Zevran as babydaddy.  This is at the utter extremity of desperation, mind you, short of divorcing Alistair so that he can marry someone else.  I really think it would be better, rather than an Alistair bastard inheriting, to have the Cousland queen discreetly get pregnant by someone else.

It would be sooo complicated if it were Zevran, though.  My HNF and Zevran teetered on the edge of a romance and, being a sneaky rogue type herself, she depended a lot on him as her partner in crime.  To exploit that bit of a love triangle would be all kinds of heartbreak.  But... who else would she be able to trust??  It would make for a good story, anyway.

what if in our future, Alistair resents us for making him king and it ends the relationship. Seeee always thinking ahead...covering all the bases...lol

I don't think there's much chance of this.  By end game, hardened Alistair is accepting his duty and thinking about the good he can do.  Unhardened Alistair may very well do so, however.

Zevran is such a loyal and true friend by the end, even if NOT romanced, I think he'd gladly provide that kind of favor, for both of you. <3

I think my lady HNF warrior will be in love with Zev, but do the political marriage, just so her friend isn't going it alone.

[Addai]

Gilsa wrote...
Just because it seems like the best ending on paper for origins doesn't mean it'll continue to be that way.

No offense to the Couslands! We're just the step-sisters watching the prince dance with someone else at the ball. Don't mind us!

A tragic end could be in the offing either way- in fact, given the fact that you're Wardens, it's guaranteed.  But the kingship definitely ups the ante.

I was starting to think my femCousland was my canon game, but I'm not sure about that.  For one thing, I think my elves relate to Alistair better.  When he was saying "it takes more than education and breeding to make a king," it underscored for me that he really didn't have a nobleman's life.

So, I'm not sure whether my canon game is my PC as queen, but Alistair as king is as canon for me as it gets.  I think he was just meant to be king.

[Kmead15]

Gilsa wrote...

I think Alistair is far more likely to kick you to the curb once he realizes the full magnitude of sleeping with Morrigan rather than him being mad about being king. =p

Nah, it's possible to explain the full magnitude even before the ritual takes place.

And if worse comes to worse, you can just give him a wheel of cheese as a gift. Instant forgiveness.

[Lady Jess]

Gilsa wrote...

I think Alistair is far more likely to kick you to the curb once he realizes the full magnitude of sleeping with Morrigan rather than him being mad about being king. =p

My Alistairs all know what they were doing, Partly because I adore Morrigan's 'Interesting. Honesty wouldn't have been my first choice" line, secondly because of exactly what you just said.

My CEF however didn't tell him. So he can shrug and look stupid honestly. Because She won't be there to help like the queen would.

[Lady Jess]

Addai67 wrote...

Gilsa wrote...
Just because it seems like the best ending on paper for origins doesn't mean it'll continue to be that way.

No offense to the Couslands! We're just the step-sisters watching the prince dance with someone else at the ball. Don't mind us!

A tragic end could be in the offing either way- in fact, given the fact that you're Wardens, it's guaranteed.  But the kingship definitely ups the ante.

I was starting to think my femCousland was my canon game, but I'm not sure about that.  For one thing, I think my elves relate to Alistair better.  When he was saying "it takes more than education and breeding to make a king," it underscored for me that he really didn't have a nobleman's life.

So, I'm not sure whether my canon game is my PC as queen, but Alistair as king is as canon for me as it gets.  I think he was just meant to be king.

Definitely tragedy in our futures, with the calling. But of course we want as much Happy between now and then as we can get.

[Serissia]

Addai67 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Maybe I can finally get away with that "Well maybe not your heirs" line?...lol Thats one ending I haven't done. But you just WATCH, someday THAT will be the one that bites me in the arse. I'll end up providing a danged "heir" via Zevran, He'll get mad and run off, and I'll be stuck with a loveless marriage to a resentful king.

When KoP made his thread about which king/queen pair was best, I started to think about it and I think even my HNF would propose Zevran as babydaddy.  This is at the utter extremity of desperation, mind you, short of divorcing Alistair so that he can marry someone else.  I really think it would be better, rather than an Alistair bastard inheriting, to have the Cousland queen discreetly get pregnant by someone else.

It would be sooo complicated if it were Zevran, though.  My HNF and Zevran teetered on the edge of a romance and, being a sneaky rogue type herself, she depended a lot on him as her partner in crime.  To exploit that bit of a love triangle would be all kinds of heartbreak.  But... who else would she be able to trust??  It would make for a good story, anyway.

what if in our future, Alistair resents us for making him king and it ends the relationship. Seeee always thinking ahead...covering all the bases...lol

I don't think there's much chance of this.  By end game, hardened Alistair is accepting his duty and thinking about the good he can do.  Unhardened Alistair may very well do so, however.

Considering the time period that DA takes place in a pregant Queen would hardly be out and about greeting people.  Yes, DA has magic but it seems that enough women still die in childbirth considering it's brought up multiple times of the course of the game. 

It would be an easy enough lie to say that the Queen was indisposed.  If the Alistair/HNF could find a woman that looks roughly like the Queen and pay her for her services for want of a better word it would be ideal.  The Kingdom as a whole would be none the wiser and there would be an actual Theirin heir.  Plus the Queen wouldn't have to possibly risk losing her own life in child birth. 

Modifié par Serissia, 04 mai 2010 - 01:03 .

[mellifera]

Gilsa wrote...

I think Alistair is far more likely to kick you to the curb once he realizes the full magnitude of sleeping with Morrigan rather than him being mad about being king. =p

I dunno. Especially if you're honest with him and he knows everything up front he is just as complicit as the Warden is. He could have rejected you and he definitely does in some cases, but he made the decision too. It takes two to tango, I guess. If he kicks her to the curb and resents her over a decision they both made in a situation where it was very much life or death... I think my characters would willingly leave because he wouldn't be the same man they fell in love with.

[LadyDamodred]

Addai67 wrote...
It would be sooo complicated if it were Zevran, though.  My HNF and Zevran teetered on the edge of a romance and, being a sneaky rogue type herself, she depended a lot on him as her partner in crime.  To exploit that bit of a love triangle would be all kinds of heartbreak.  But... who else would she be able to trust??  It would make for a good story, anyway.

I couldn't do that.  My HNF's solution is to find some nice accomadating girl fir Alistair.  My HNF is not going anywhere, but it's the line of Calenhad that she's trying to preserve as well.  She's just too selfish to step out of the picture completely.

[sylvanaerie]

Addai67 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Maybe I can finally get away with that "Well maybe not your heirs" line?...lol Thats one ending I haven't done. But you just WATCH, someday THAT will be the one that bites me in the arse. I'll end up providing a danged "heir" via Zevran, He'll get mad and run off, and I'll be stuck with a loveless marriage to a resentful king.

When KoP made his thread about which king/queen pair was best, I started to think about it and I think even my HNF would propose Zevran as babydaddy.  This is at the utter extremity of desperation, mind you, short of divorcing Alistair so that he can marry someone else.  I really think it would be better, rather than an Alistair bastard inheriting, to have the Cousland queen discreetly get pregnant by someone else.

It would be sooo complicated if it were Zevran, though.  My HNF and Zevran teetered on the edge of a romance and, being a sneaky rogue type herself, she depended a lot on him as her partner in crime.  To exploit that bit of a love triangle would be all kinds of heartbreak.  But... who else would she be able to trust??  It would make for a good story, anyway.

what if in our future, Alistair resents us for making him king and it ends the relationship. Seeee always thinking ahead...covering all the bases...lol

I don't think there's much chance of this.  By end game, hardened Alistair is accepting his duty and thinking about the good he can do.  Unhardened Alistair may very well do so, however.

the problem with this is that Zevran and Alistair really don't look alike.  She would be better off recruiting Anders to do the deed.  At least the baby will come out looking more like PC's husband.

[Gilsa]

My canon game is my dwarf noble who focused super-hard on the Blight. I feel awful about how we ended things at Landsmeet, but I really do feel in my gut that she was making the right call as a military leader. I had such hate at the game not allowing me to make amends with him afterwards, but it is what it is. My character messed up, pure and simple. (Cue Judy Garland singing "The Man That Got Away." sniff, sniff)



I will be making a second dwarf noble for keeping the Alistiar romance intact and will be doing things differently on her so it feels like a second character in her own right. I did do a Cousland playthrough with the queen ending, but it just didn't fit right. It wasn't the Alistair that I knew. I just really like him the best with a dwarf noble. I haven't decided if he'll be king in that game. I personally don't care if he is or not, but he really doesn't want to be king and I don't want to force him. But ... what if my dwarf noble gets to replace Harrowmont as the next ruler of Orzammar? King of Ferelden and Queen of Orzammar ... yum yum yum! (I'll probably just rebuild the grey warden with non-king alistair, but it's nice to imagine other scenarios. She'll be siding with Bhelen anyway and he's not dying anytime soon.)

[Lady Jess]

Serissia wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Maybe I can finally get away with that "Well maybe not your heirs" line?...lol Thats one ending I haven't done. But you just WATCH, someday THAT will be the one that bites me in the arse. I'll end up providing a danged "heir" via Zevran, He'll get mad and run off, and I'll be stuck with a loveless marriage to a resentful king.

When KoP made his thread about which king/queen pair was best, I started to think about it and I think even my HNF would propose Zevran as babydaddy.  This is at the utter extremity of desperation, mind you, short of divorcing Alistair so that he can marry someone else.  I really think it would be better, rather than an Alistair bastard inheriting, to have the Cousland queen discreetly get pregnant by someone else.

It would be sooo complicated if it were Zevran, though.  My HNF and Zevran teetered on the edge of a romance and, being a sneaky rogue type herself, she depended a lot on him as her partner in crime.  To exploit that bit of a love triangle would be all kinds of heartbreak.  But... who else would she be able to trust??  It would make for a good story, anyway.

what if in our future, Alistair resents us for making him king and it ends the relationship. Seeee always thinking ahead...covering all the bases...lol

I don't think there's much chance of this.  By end game, hardened Alistair is accepting his duty and thinking about the good he can do.  Unhardened Alistair may very well do so, however.

Considering the time period that DA takes place in a pregant Queen would hardly be out and about greeting people.  Yes, DA has magic but it seems that enough women still die in childbirth considering it's brought up multiple times of the course of the game. 

It would be an easy enough lie to say that the Queen was indisposed.  If the Alistair/HNF could find a woman that looks roughly like the Queen and pay her for her services for want of a better word it would be ideal.  The Kingdom as a whole would be none the wiser and there would be an actual Theirin heir.  Plus the Queen wouldn't have to possibly risk losing her own life in child birth. 

And there's always Averus...

And the existing bastard heir...

We're covered!

[Lady Jess]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Maybe I can finally get away with that "Well maybe not your heirs" line?...lol Thats one ending I haven't done. But you just WATCH, someday THAT will be the one that bites me in the arse. I'll end up providing a danged "heir" via Zevran, He'll get mad and run off, and I'll be stuck with a loveless marriage to a resentful king.

When KoP made his thread about which king/queen pair was best, I started to think about it and I think even my HNF would propose Zevran as babydaddy.  This is at the utter extremity of desperation, mind you, short of divorcing Alistair so that he can marry someone else.  I really think it would be better, rather than an Alistair bastard inheriting, to have the Cousland queen discreetly get pregnant by someone else.

It would be sooo complicated if it were Zevran, though.  My HNF and Zevran teetered on the edge of a romance and, being a sneaky rogue type herself, she depended a lot on him as her partner in crime.  To exploit that bit of a love triangle would be all kinds of heartbreak.  But... who else would she be able to trust??  It would make for a good story, anyway.

what if in our future, Alistair resents us for making him king and it ends the relationship. Seeee always thinking ahead...covering all the bases...lol

I don't think there's much chance of this.  By end game, hardened Alistair is accepting his duty and thinking about the good he can do.  Unhardened Alistair may very well do so, however.

the problem with this is that Zevran and Alistair really don't look alike.  She would be better off recruiting Anders to do the deed.  At least the baby will come out looking more like PC's husband.

It could always look like it's mother

[sylvanaerie]

Its going to be a mix, genetics are 50/50. You will see mom but you will see dad too. and unless Zevran is never around people are going to see it. Just saying Anders is a better candidate for that kind of job being he bears a remarkable resemblence to Alistair.

[Addai]

sylvanaerie wrote...

the problem with this is that Zevran and Alistair really don't look alike.  She would be better off recruiting Anders to do the deed.  At least the baby will come out looking more like PC's husband.

Well, the problem with Anders is that it could turn out to be a mage...

[Addai]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Its going to be a mix, genetics are 50/50. You will see mom but you will see dad too. and unless Zevran is never around people are going to see it. Just saying Anders is a better candidate for that kind of job being he bears a remarkable resemblence to Alistair.

Zevran has similar color eyes and light hair.   The down side is that Theirin seems to be so predominant in the babies.  As the saying from Song of Ice and Fire goes, "the seed is strong"!

I'm not sure it's something Alistair would ever go for, anyway.  Not only the sleeping with someone else part, but deceiving the people.

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

the problem with this is that Zevran and Alistair really don't look alike.  She would be better off recruiting Anders to do the deed.  At least the baby will come out looking more like PC's husband.

Well, the problem with Anders is that it could turn out to be a mage...

And there's the fact that Anders is also tainted, unless Varel slipped him the secret faux-tainted blood and Anders just passed out because he's, well, Anders.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 04 mai 2010 - 01:16 .

[sylvanaerie]

Addai67 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Its going to be a mix, genetics are 50/50. You will see mom but you will see dad too. and unless Zevran is never around people are going to see it. Just saying Anders is a better candidate for that kind of job being he bears a remarkable resemblence to Alistair.

Zevran has similar color eyes and light hair.   The down side is that Theirin seems to be so predominant in the babies.  As the saying from Song of Ice and Fire goes, "the seed is strong"!

I'm not sure it's something Alistair would ever go for, anyway.  Not only the sleeping with someone else part, but deceiving the people.

Coloring is similar but thats where it ends. Zevran and Alistair look nothing alike.  Baby could have mom's coloring...and then what will anyone say? It won't look anything like Alistair.  

We don't know how prevalent Mage trait is (recessive/dominant etc).  it may be a mage, it may not.  But still saying Anders looks a LOT more like Alistair than Zevran does.

[mellifera]

Addai67 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Its going to be a mix, genetics are 50/50. You will see mom but you will see dad too. and unless Zevran is never around people are going to see it. Just saying Anders is a better candidate for that kind of job being he bears a remarkable resemblence to Alistair.

Zevran has similar color eyes and light hair.   The down side is that Theirin seems to be so predominant in the babies.  As the saying from Song of Ice and Fire goes, "the seed is strong"!

I'm not sure it's something Alistair would ever go for, anyway.  Not only the sleeping with someone else part, but deceiving the people.

Oh jesus, now I am picturing a Theirin daughter... a little girl with Alistair's head ;~;

I suppose if push came to shove Zevran wouldn't be a bad choice for my HNF. She has light blonde hair like Zev and hazel eyes like Alistair and I suppose between Zevran and her skin tone you could come up with Alistair's. But only if the stars aligned in just the right position or something Then again I don't think my HNF would touch that with a 20 foot pole.

Modifié par yukidama, 04 mai 2010 - 01:21 .

[sylvanaerie]

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

the problem with this is that Zevran and Alistair really don't look alike.  She would be better off recruiting Anders to do the deed.  At least the baby will come out looking more like PC's husband.

Well, the problem with Anders is that it could turn out to be a mage...

And there's the fact that Anders is also tainted, unless Varel slipped him the secret faux-tainted blood and Anders just passed out because he's, well, Anders.

Oh yea...crap...sigh well shoot.  I guess its Teagan's or Fergus's kids to the rescue.  Cause I think the whole Zevran idea...umm no not gonna fly...

[Lady Jess]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Its going to be a mix, genetics are 50/50. You will see mom but you will see dad too. and unless Zevran is never around people are going to see it. Just saying Anders is a better candidate for that kind of job being he bears a remarkable resemblence to Alistair.

In real life, yeah. then again, my youngest daughter looks nothing like either of her parents and looks just like my mother, as well as my husband's half sister (its very odd really)...I look nothing like my mom or dad, rather I look like my maternal grandmother.

[Kmead15]

yukidama wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Its going to be a mix, genetics are 50/50. You will see mom but you will see dad too. and unless Zevran is never around people are going to see it. Just saying Anders is a better candidate for that kind of job being he bears a remarkable resemblence to Alistair.

Zevran has similar color eyes and light hair.   The down side is that Theirin seems to be so predominant in the babies.  As the saying from Song of Ice and Fire goes, "the seed is strong"!

I'm not sure it's something Alistair would ever go for, anyway.  Not only the sleeping with someone else part, but deceiving the people.

Oh jesus, now I am picturing a Theirin daughter... a little girl with Alistair's head ;~;

 My... brain...

For the love of god, no one make this.

[sylvanaerie]

Lady Jess wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Its going to be a mix, genetics are 50/50. You will see mom but you will see dad too. and unless Zevran is never around people are going to see it. Just saying Anders is a better candidate for that kind of job being he bears a remarkable resemblence to Alistair.

In real life, yeah. then again, my youngest daughter looks nothing like either of her parents and looks just like my mother, as well as my husband's half sister (its very odd really)...I look nothing like my mom or dad, rather I look like my maternal grandmother.

 
But those are still genetic traits from both sides showing up.  I look a lot like both my parents and helluva lot like my dad's sister.  You will be able to see ONLY PC Cousland in the kid but the other traits (of Alistair) people will look for won't be there.  However seeing Zevran around court (cause hes the LI in the political arrangement) people are gonna talk. 

[mellifera]

Kmead15 wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Its going to be a mix, genetics are 50/50. You will see mom but you will see dad too. and unless Zevran is never around people are going to see it. Just saying Anders is a better candidate for that kind of job being he bears a remarkable resemblence to Alistair.

Zevran has similar color eyes and light hair.   The down side is that Theirin seems to be so predominant in the babies.  As the saying from Song of Ice and Fire goes, "the seed is strong"!

I'm not sure it's something Alistair would ever go for, anyway.  Not only the sleeping with someone else part, but deceiving the people.

Oh jesus, now I am picturing a Theirin daughter... a little girl with Alistair's head ;~;

 My... brain...

For the love of god, no one make this.

Someone has to make this now.

[Kmead15]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Its going to be a mix, genetics are 50/50. You will see mom but you will see dad too. and unless Zevran is never around people are going to see it. Just saying Anders is a better candidate for that kind of job being he bears a remarkable resemblence to Alistair.

In real life, yeah. then again, my youngest daughter looks nothing like either of her parents and looks just like my mother, as well as my husband's half sister (its very odd really)...I look nothing like my mom or dad, rather I look like my maternal grandmother.

 
But those are still genetic traits from both sides showing up.  I look a lot like both my parents and helluva lot like my dad's sister.  You will be able to see ONLY PC Cousland in the kid but the other traits (of Alistair) people will look for won't be there.  However seeing Zevran around court (cause hes the LI in the political arrangement) people are gonna talk. 

Well, he's an elf, so maybe he'll be beneath their notice. I suppose it depends on how discreet the PC and Zevran are.

Dang, top of page. I'm running out of screenshots:

Modifié par Kmead15, 04 mai 2010 - 01:24 .