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[Serissia]

Theirin genes seem to prevail considering how close Cailan and Alistair look to their father. Also, keep in mind when suggesting Zevran that in the game all humans are roughly the same height. When they're escaping from the Deep Roads in TC Duncan slips through the hole w/ roughly no trouble and Maric tears up his shoulders/back/chest. Maric was tall and had decently broad shoulders.

[mellifera]

By the way, is it ever mentioned who Maric's father was? I'm still trying to get through TST (seriously, why is it taking me so long), haven't read TC and can't remember if it is ever mentioned in the codex.

[sylvanaerie]

Serissia wrote...

Theirin genes seem to prevail considering how close Cailan and Alistair look to their father. Also, keep in mind when suggesting Zevran that in the game all humans are roughly the same height. When they're escaping from the Deep Roads in TC Duncan slips through the hole w/ roughly no trouble and Maric tears up his shoulders/back/chest. Maric was tall and had decently broad shoulders.

Damn Maric was yummy...I have to get that book...

[Lady Jess]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Serissia wrote...

Theirin genes seem to prevail considering how close Cailan and Alistair look to their father. Also, keep in mind when suggesting Zevran that in the game all humans are roughly the same height. When they're escaping from the Deep Roads in TC Duncan slips through the hole w/ roughly no trouble and Maric tears up his shoulders/back/chest. Maric was tall and had decently broad shoulders.

Damn Maric was yummy...I have to get that book...

I kind of want to play a fiona type. But my elf is far past that now. And theres no way to actually be both snarky AND kind to Alistair.

[sylvanaerie]

I don't know what to play. I think I am probably going to work on another fic I got rattling in my head. Post US Alistair (not king).

[Serissia]

yukidama wrote...

By the way, is it ever mentioned who Maric's father was? I'm still trying to get through TST (seriously, why is it taking me so long), haven't read TC and can't remember if it is ever mentioned in the codex.

I don't think it does.  I think his grandfather is mentioned but I'm not sure if he's mentioned by name.

[Serissia]

Lady Jess wrote...
I kind of want to play a fiona type. But my elf is far past that now. And theres no way to actually be both snarky AND kind to Alistair.

You can be pretty sarcastic and he still takes it in stride or doesn't mind.  A lot of the things I thought would offend him he actually laughs about in the Toolset notes.  If I ever play my HNF over she's going to be bathing in sarcasm.

[Miri1984]

I'm pretty sure that the "canon" DA has NONE of the potential rulers having an heir - Anora on her own doesn't, there's no mention of Anora and Alistair having any rugrats and HNF doesn't either. So I think they've tried to make sure that there's a problem with the succession - possibly for future games.

[Thor Rand Al]

Despite no voice or sound, there's some work that needs to be done def but despite all that, it sure is nice to walk into Vigil's Keep and see Alistair standing there.  I had to try it lol.  Their's still a lot of work that needs to be done but hey seeing him standing there when you get done fighting DS makes it a lil bit more enjoyable to go back to the Keep lol  

[LadyDamodred]

yukidama wrote...
Oh jesus, now I am picturing a Theirin daughter... a little girl with Alistair's head ;~;.

I came to the conclusion that boys look like the Theirin men, but girls look like the other parent. 

[SurelyForth]

Serissia wrote...


I don't think it does.  I think his grandfather is mentioned but I'm not sure if he's mentioned by name.

King Brandel was his mother's father, but I've never seen any mention of his father. I sort of want a Queen Moira book, she sounds fierce. 

[Lady Jess]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Despite no voice or sound, there's some work that needs to be done def but despite all that, it sure is nice to walk into Vigil's Keep and see Alistair standing there.  I had to try it lol.  Their's still a lot of work that needs to be done but hey seeing him standing there when you get done fighting DS makes it a lil bit more enjoyable to go back to the Keep lol  

Oh stop tempting me like this!!!

[errant_knight]

Addai67 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Maybe I can finally get away with that "Well maybe not your heirs" line?...lol Thats one ending I haven't done. But you just WATCH, someday THAT will be the one that bites me in the arse. I'll end up providing a danged "heir" via Zevran, He'll get mad and run off, and I'll be stuck with a loveless marriage to a resentful king.

When KoP made his thread about which king/queen pair was best, I started to think about it and I think even my HNF would propose Zevran as babydaddy.  This is at the utter extremity of desperation, mind you, short of divorcing Alistair so that he can marry someone else.  I really think it would be better, rather than an Alistair bastard inheriting, to have the Cousland queen discreetly get pregnant by someone else.

It would be sooo complicated if it were Zevran, though.  My HNF and Zevran teetered on the edge of a romance and, being a sneaky rogue type herself, she depended a lot on him as her partner in crime.  To exploit that bit of a love triangle would be all kinds of heartbreak.  But... who else would she be able to trust??  It would make for a good story, anyway.

what if in our future, Alistair resents us for making him king and it ends the relationship. Seeee always thinking ahead...covering all the bases...lol

I don't think there's much chance of this.  By end game, hardened Alistair is accepting his duty and thinking about the good he can do.  Unhardened Alistair may very well do so, however.

We've had this conversation many times before, but I will always see Alistair having a child as the better choice than the HFN. If it didn't matter if the heir was a Therin, then Anora might as well have kept the throne in the first place. She wasn't that bad.

[Serissia]

There's always this mod too for more Awakening contingency.

[Serissia]

errant_knight wrote...
We've had this conversation many times before, but I will always see Alistair having a child as the better choice than the HFN. If it didn't matter if the heir was a Therin, then Anora might as well have kept the throne in the first place. She wasn't that bad.

This is how I feel too.  It would be just as easy to pay a woman that looks like the Queen for her... services.  Then Alistair/HNF could raise the child as their own. 

[sylvanaerie]

quick question for those a bit more in the know. Does Thedas have horses? and do they object when someone with the taint wants to ride them (IE a Gray Warden).

[mellifera]

errant_knight wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Maybe I can finally get away with that "Well maybe not your heirs" line?...lol Thats one ending I haven't done. But you just WATCH, someday THAT will be the one that bites me in the arse. I'll end up providing a danged "heir" via Zevran, He'll get mad and run off, and I'll be stuck with a loveless marriage to a resentful king.

When KoP made his thread about which king/queen pair was best, I started to think about it and I think even my HNF would propose Zevran as babydaddy.  This is at the utter extremity of desperation, mind you, short of divorcing Alistair so that he can marry someone else.  I really think it would be better, rather than an Alistair bastard inheriting, to have the Cousland queen discreetly get pregnant by someone else.

It would be sooo complicated if it were Zevran, though.  My HNF and Zevran teetered on the edge of a romance and, being a sneaky rogue type herself, she depended a lot on him as her partner in crime.  To exploit that bit of a love triangle would be all kinds of heartbreak.  But... who else would she be able to trust??  It would make for a good story, anyway.

what if in our future, Alistair resents us for making him king and it ends the relationship. Seeee always thinking ahead...covering all the bases...lol

I don't think there's much chance of this.  By end game, hardened Alistair is accepting his duty and thinking about the good he can do.  Unhardened Alistair may very well do so, however.

We've had this conversation many times before, but I will always see Alistair having a child as the better choice than the HFN. If it didn't matter if the heir was a Therin, then Anora might as well have kept the throne in the first place. She wasn't that bad.

In actuality I don't think it matters as much as people like Eamon make it seem. Otherwise there wouldn't be much resistance (aside from Loghain) in the first place, if a successor is determined solely by blood. You'd win the Landsmeet by default if the most important thing to everyone was keeping the Theirins on the throne. Or there would be a lot more resistance when you execute Alistair or leave Anora as Queen without Alistair as king. Not saying it isn't an important symbol, but it doesn't seem like it is the sole factor in determining who will succeed.

But I agree. If it comes to a point where you have decided on surrogacy and not to choose a successor and have them vetted by the Landsmeet, then it would make more sense on Alistair being the one to have the kid. I guess the HNF could have her own kid too, never said there only had to be one child.

Modifié par yukidama, 04 mai 2010 - 01:49 .

[Addai]

sylvanaerie wrote...

quick question for those a bit more in the know. Does Thedas have horses? and do they object when someone with the taint wants to ride them (IE a Gray Warden).

I think someone on this thread pointed out that there's a codex that says that Alfstanna's family always give the king a horse, to commemmorate when their ancestor made Calenhad walk to approach them for truce.

Somewhere in the game it mentions horses being more prevalent in Orlais than Ferelden, but it escapes me where.

One of my HNF's military innovations will be to introduce light horsemen as a counter to the Orlesian chevaliers.  I've thought this out in my head, obviously. 

[Lady Jess]

yukidama wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Maybe I can finally get away with that "Well maybe not your heirs" line?...lol Thats one ending I haven't done. But you just WATCH, someday THAT will be the one that bites me in the arse. I'll end up providing a danged "heir" via Zevran, He'll get mad and run off, and I'll be stuck with a loveless marriage to a resentful king.

When KoP made his thread about which king/queen pair was best, I started to think about it and I think even my HNF would propose Zevran as babydaddy.  This is at the utter extremity of desperation, mind you, short of divorcing Alistair so that he can marry someone else.  I really think it would be better, rather than an Alistair bastard inheriting, to have the Cousland queen discreetly get pregnant by someone else.

It would be sooo complicated if it were Zevran, though.  My HNF and Zevran teetered on the edge of a romance and, being a sneaky rogue type herself, she depended a lot on him as her partner in crime.  To exploit that bit of a love triangle would be all kinds of heartbreak.  But... who else would she be able to trust??  It would make for a good story, anyway.

what if in our future, Alistair resents us for making him king and it ends the relationship. Seeee always thinking ahead...covering all the bases...lol

I don't think there's much chance of this.  By end game, hardened Alistair is accepting his duty and thinking about the good he can do.  Unhardened Alistair may very well do so, however.

We've had this conversation many times before, but I will always see Alistair having a child as the better choice than the HFN. If it didn't matter if the heir was a Therin, then Anora might as well have kept the throne in the first place. She wasn't that bad.

In actuality I don't think it matters as much as people like Eamon make it seem. Otherwise there wouldn't be much resistance (aside from Loghain) in the first place, if a successor is determined solely by blood. You'd win the Landsmeet by default if the most important thing to everyone was keeping the Theirins on the throne. Or there would be a lot more resistance when you execute Alistair or leave Anora as Queen without Alistair as king. Not saying it isn't an important symbol, but it doesn't seem like it is the sole factor in determining who will succeed.

But I agree. If it comes to a point where you have decided on surrogacy and not to choose a successor and have them vetted by the Landsmeet, then it would make more sense on Alistair being the one to have the kid. I guess the HNF could have her own kid too, never said there only had to be one child.

If it's a romance based marriage, surrogacy would make her just as much a mother since they couldn't have one naturally in the first place. My HNF would have no problem with that.

[sylvanaerie]

Addai67 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

quick question for those a bit more in the know. Does Thedas have horses? and do they object when someone with the taint wants to ride them (IE a Gray Warden).

I think someone on this thread pointed out that there's a codex that says that Alfstanna's family always give the king a horse, to commemmorate when their ancestor made Calenhad walk to approach them for truce.

Somewhere in the game it mentions horses being more prevalent in Orlais than Ferelden, but it escapes me where.

One of my HNF's military innovations will be to introduce light horsemen as a counter to the Orlesian chevaliers.  I've thought this out in my head, obviously. 

Thanks Addai!  Going to assume as long as it hasn't been too long the taint won't have sufficiently caused any resistance to being ridden in the animal as well.  (if there is any at all)

[Serissia]

Horses are mentioned plenty in TST and TC. In Ferelden though it seems like the upper class/nobility would be more apt to have a horse(s). Oxen were probably used by the peasants for farm work.

Native Ferelden horses would probably be something a long the lines of a Clydesdale considering the climate. 

Modifié par Serissia, 04 mai 2010 - 01:55 .

[mellifera]

Lady Jess wrote...

yukidama wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Maybe I can finally get away with that "Well maybe not your heirs" line?...lol Thats one ending I haven't done. But you just WATCH, someday THAT will be the one that bites me in the arse. I'll end up providing a danged "heir" via Zevran, He'll get mad and run off, and I'll be stuck with a loveless marriage to a resentful king.

When KoP made his thread about which king/queen pair was best, I started to think about it and I think even my HNF would propose Zevran as babydaddy.  This is at the utter extremity of desperation, mind you, short of divorcing Alistair so that he can marry someone else.  I really think it would be better, rather than an Alistair bastard inheriting, to have the Cousland queen discreetly get pregnant by someone else.

It would be sooo complicated if it were Zevran, though.  My HNF and Zevran teetered on the edge of a romance and, being a sneaky rogue type herself, she depended a lot on him as her partner in crime.  To exploit that bit of a love triangle would be all kinds of heartbreak.  But... who else would she be able to trust??  It would make for a good story, anyway.

what if in our future, Alistair resents us for making him king and it ends the relationship. Seeee always thinking ahead...covering all the bases...lol

I don't think there's much chance of this.  By end game, hardened Alistair is accepting his duty and thinking about the good he can do.  Unhardened Alistair may very well do so, however.

We've had this conversation many times before, but I will always see Alistair having a child as the better choice than the HFN. If it didn't matter if the heir was a Therin, then Anora might as well have kept the throne in the first place. She wasn't that bad.

In actuality I don't think it matters as much as people like Eamon make it seem. Otherwise there wouldn't be much resistance (aside from Loghain) in the first place, if a successor is determined solely by blood. You'd win the Landsmeet by default if the most important thing to everyone was keeping the Theirins on the throne. Or there would be a lot more resistance when you execute Alistair or leave Anora as Queen without Alistair as king. Not saying it isn't an important symbol, but it doesn't seem like it is the sole factor in determining who will succeed.

But I agree. If it comes to a point where you have decided on surrogacy and not to choose a successor and have them vetted by the Landsmeet, then it would make more sense on Alistair being the one to have the kid. I guess the HNF could have her own kid too, never said there only had to be one child.

If it's a romance based marriage, surrogacy would make her just as much a mother since they couldn't have one naturally in the first place. My HNF would have no problem with that.

Yeah, I don't think I would mind this situation either if it is a decision both of you have come to. It's a surrogate, not a mistress. You have to make sure that the woman knows what is up and won't give you trouble later on. Then again I am not fond of the deception and can't say that Alistair would either. But I guess duty, blah blah blah.

I'm of the mind that if the Theirin line ends, well, it ends. The kingdom will continue without it. They'll have lost a symbol but they'll still have a competent pair of monarchs. They'll still have the ability to choose a successor from a respected family that is agreed upon by a Landsmeet.

Modifié par yukidama, 04 mai 2010 - 01:58 .

[Serissia]

yukidama wrote...
Yeah, I don't think I would mind this situation either if it is a decision both of you have come to. It's a surrogate, not a mistress. You have to make sure that the woman knows what is up and won't give you trouble later on. Then again I am not fond of the deception and can't say that Alistair would either. But I guess duty, blah blah blah.

If the Theirin line ends, well, it ends. The kingdom will continue without it. They'll have lost a symbol but they'll still have a competent pair of monarchs.

If the woman was paid for her services it would be more than fair.  It's not really that big of a deception.  Since it would be a Theirin child even if advisors/upper noblity like Eamon, Teagan or Fergus found out I doubt they'd make a fuss over it. 

[sylvanaerie]

Serissia wrote...

Horses are mentioned plenty in TST and TC. In Ferelden though it seems like the upper class/nobility would be more apt to have a horse(s). Oxen were probably used by the peasants for farm work.

Native Ferelden horses would probably be something a long the lines of a Clydesdale considering the climate. 

That would actually work really good thanks!

[mellifera]

Serissia wrote...

yukidama wrote...
Yeah, I don't think I would mind this situation either if it is a decision both of you have come to. It's a surrogate, not a mistress. You have to make sure that the woman knows what is up and won't give you trouble later on. Then again I am not fond of the deception and can't say that Alistair would either. But I guess duty, blah blah blah.

If the Theirin line ends, well, it ends. The kingdom will continue without it. They'll have lost a symbol but they'll still have a competent pair of monarchs.

If the woman was paid for her services it would be more than fair.  It's not really that big of a deception.  Since it would be a Theirin child even if advisors/upper noblity like Eamon, Teagan or Fergus found out I doubt they'd make a fuss over it. 

I don't know. I guess the concern in my opinion would be the queen's status is word got out. Though, I suppose being the Hero of Ferelden she can tell them all where to stick it. ..

Modifié par yukidama, 04 mai 2010 - 02:11 .