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[Kmead15]

yukidama wrote...

Serissia wrote...

yukidama wrote...
Yeah, I don't think I would mind this situation either if it is a decision both of you have come to. It's a surrogate, not a mistress. You have to make sure that the woman knows what is up and won't give you trouble later on. Then again I am not fond of the deception and can't say that Alistair would either. But I guess duty, blah blah blah.

If the Theirin line ends, well, it ends. The kingdom will continue without it. They'll have lost a symbol but they'll still have a competent pair of monarchs.

If the woman was paid for her services it would be more than fair.  It's not really that big of a deception.  Since it would be a Theirin child even if advisors/upper noblity like Eamon, Teagan or Fergus found out I doubt they'd make a fuss over it. 

I don't know. I guess the concern in my opinion would be the queen's status is word got out. Though, I suppose being the Hero of Ferelden she can tell them all where to stick it. ..

 It's not as if they could *prove* anything. Unless there's a Genetic Testing line of magic we don't know about. Which actually appeared in the comic, come to think of it. Luckily, no one trusts mages.

[LadyDamodred]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Serissia wrote...

Horses are mentioned plenty in TST and TC. In Ferelden though it seems like the upper class/nobility would be more apt to have a horse(s). Oxen were probably used by the peasants for farm work.

Native Ferelden horses would probably be something a long the lines of a Clydesdale considering the climate. 

That would actually work really good thanks!

Yes, there are horses.  I'd imagine all countries have draft horses of some sort, but given the references to riding in the books and through comments in the game, they must have riding/warhorses as well.

As an interesting side note, Bann Alfstanna's family presents every ruler with a horse when they ascend to the throne.

[Serissia]

yukidama wrote...
I don't know. I guess the concern in my opinion would be the queen's status is word got out. Though, I suppose being the Hero of Ferelden she can tell them all where to stick it...

If Eamon could keep Alistair's true heritage from his own wife I'm sure he'd be willing to keep the child's mother's idenity a secret.  Plus, there would be no reason to doubt the pregancy.  If Alistair/HNF annouced that she was with child openly... miracle... blah, blah, blah...  Then later on said the Queen was indisposed do to complications with her pregancy do to the taint.  Taking that into consideration on top of the normal amount of possible issues a woman can go through while pregant seems highly plausible/believable. 

It's not really like anyone should feel slighted or inferior if it was a joint decision.  If Alistair/HNF had the child from its birth it would be for all extensive purposes their child. 

[tmp7704]

sylvanaerie wrote...

quick question for those a bit more in the know. Does Thedas have horses? and do they object when someone with the taint wants to ride them (IE a Gray Warden).

Yes, they do have them. David Gaider commented on that, it's simply one of things which they had no time/resources to put in the game. But the fight at Ostagar was actually supposed to be cavalry charge rather than the on-foot business we got in the end.

Modifié par tmp7704, 04 mai 2010 - 02:31 .

[Serissia]

tmp7704 wrote...
Yes, they do have them. David Gaider commented on that, it's simply one of things which they had no time/resources to put in the game. But the fight at Ostagar was actually supposed to be cavalry charge rather than the on-foot business we got in the end.

...sorry, I couldn't resist. 

[Miri1984]

DUNCANS!

[mellifera]

Serissia wrote...

yukidama wrote...
I don't know. I guess the concern in my opinion would be the queen's status is word got out. Though, I suppose being the Hero of Ferelden she can tell them all where to stick it...

If Eamon could keep Alistair's true heritage from his own wife I'm sure he'd be willing to keep the child's mother's idenity a secret.  Plus, there would be no reason to doubt the pregancy.  If Alistair/HNF annouced that she was with child openly... miracle... blah, blah, blah...  Then later on said the Queen was indisposed do to complications with her pregancy do to the taint.  Taking that into consideration on top of the normal amount of possible issues a woman can go through while pregant seems highly plausible/believable. 

It's not really like anyone should feel slighted or inferior if it was a joint decision.  If Alistair/HNF had the child from its birth it would be for all extensive purposes their child. 

Yeah, I suppose that is true. If it's acknowledged as their child by the King, Queen and those around them then I guess it really isn't up to much debate. If they raise it as theirs and has its father's blood then there isn't really a big deal, I guess. Unless the HNF gives people a reason to want to oust her, then I see it being forced into being an issue. Then again, who knows what'll happen (if anything) when it comes to the next generation.

Modifié par yukidama, 04 mai 2010 - 02:43 .

[errant_knight]

Basically, you can have an heir by one parent who is a Therin, or one who isn't. All things being equal, why not have a Therin?

[Serissia]

yukidama wrote...
Yeah, I suppose that is true. If it's acknowledged as their child by the King, Queen and those around them then I guess it really isn't up to much debate. If they raise it as theirs and has its father's blood then there isn't really a big deal, I guess. Unless the HNF gives people a reason to want to oust her, then I see it being forced into being an issue. Then again, who knows what'll happen (if anything) when it comes to the next generation.

If the woman who bore the child looked fairly close to the Queen than there shouldn't be issue.  I'm going to assume the child is a son since that would be ideal.  It would most likely have a lot of Alistair/Maric's traits/looks.  I doubt the people of Ferelden would have reason to doubt their saviors.  Considering even an unhardened Alistair becomes an alright King a hardened Alistair/Cousland would be fine rulers.  Plus the Queen saved Ferelden not once but twice if you count Awakening.

[Serissia]

Oh to harden Leliana or not? Such a hard choice... I always harden her on my HNF.

[mellifera]

Serissia wrote...

yukidama wrote...
Yeah, I suppose that is true. If it's acknowledged as their child by the King, Queen and those around them then I guess it really isn't up to much debate. If they raise it as theirs and has its father's blood then there isn't really a big deal, I guess. Unless the HNF gives people a reason to want to oust her, then I see it being forced into being an issue. Then again, who knows what'll happen (if anything) when it comes to the next generation.

If the woman who bore the child looked fairly close to the Queen than there shouldn't be issue.  I'm going to assume the child is a son since that would be ideal.  It would most likely have a lot of Alistair/Maric's traits/looks.  I doubt the people of Ferelden would have reason to doubt their saviors.  Considering even an unhardened Alistair becomes an alright King a hardened Alistair/Cousland would be fine rulers.  Plus the Queen saved Ferelden not once but twice if you count Awakening.

Yeah, that's why I said before that if anyone starts giving the Queen any grief over whatever decision she and Alistair make she can retaliate with her pretty good track record in doing what is good for the nation, especially after saving their asses repeatedly. I am sure at this point (unless something goes terribly wrong) she'll have more people backing her than being against her.

Modifié par yukidama, 04 mai 2010 - 02:57 .

[errant_knight]

Serissia wrote...

yukidama wrote...
Yeah, I suppose that is true. If it's acknowledged as their child by the King, Queen and those around them then I guess it really isn't up to much debate. If they raise it as theirs and has its father's blood then there isn't really a big deal, I guess. Unless the HNF gives people a reason to want to oust her, then I see it being forced into being an issue. Then again, who knows what'll happen (if anything) when it comes to the next generation.

If the woman who bore the child looked fairly close to the Queen than there shouldn't be issue.  I'm going to assume the child is a son since that would be ideal.  It would most likely have a lot of Alistair/Maric's traits/looks.  I doubt the people of Ferelden would have reason to doubt their saviors.  Considering even an unhardened Alistair becomes an alright King a hardened Alistair/Cousland would be fine rulers.  Plus the Queen saved Ferelden not once but twice if you count Awakening.

Therins do seem to have a mighty strong genetic code. Not sure it really matters what the surrogate looks like.

[Addai]

Serissia wrote...

Oh to harden Leliana or not? Such a hard choice... I always harden her on my HNF.

Is there any reason to if she's not romanced?

[errant_knight]

Serissia wrote...

Oh to harden Leliana or not? Such a hard choice... I always harden her on my HNF.

I've never hardened her. It just doesn't feel right to me, like telling her not to bother trying to be a better person. Also, I can't warm to Zevran. That bit about enjoying killing squicks me out everytime. I don't want to hear Leliana say something like that. Right now, she's a little bit nuts, but good at heart, or trying to be, anyway. I don't want to change that.

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...

Serissia wrote...

Oh to harden Leliana or not? Such a hard choice... I always harden her on my HNF.

Is there any reason to if she's not romanced?

She's slightly less sugary and Maker-happy.

[cmessaz]

Oh I don't know if I can actually play this way

[Serissia]

Addai67 wrote...
Is there any reason to if she's not romanced?

I always harden her on my HNF because she fights vs the darkspawn for the dwarves/Ferelden in her epilogue if you have killed Marjolaine. 

I think I'm probably going to harden her though considering this is what it says on Dragon Age Wiki: "Leliana will decide that her new self was just an attempt to run away from her previous life after her lover's betrayal, and that the real Leliana is a worldly bard who loves all of the danger, intrigue, and at times even the killing that goes along with that lifestyle. This results in her being hardened."

That really does seem more the case than the whole born again Andrastian thing.

Modifié par Serissia, 04 mai 2010 - 03:03 .

[mellifera]

errant_knight wrote...

Serissia wrote...

yukidama wrote...
Yeah, I suppose that is true. If it's acknowledged as their child by the King, Queen and those around them then I guess it really isn't up to much debate. If they raise it as theirs and has its father's blood then there isn't really a big deal, I guess. Unless the HNF gives people a reason to want to oust her, then I see it being forced into being an issue. Then again, who knows what'll happen (if anything) when it comes to the next generation.

If the woman who bore the child looked fairly close to the Queen than there shouldn't be issue.  I'm going to assume the child is a son since that would be ideal.  It would most likely have a lot of Alistair/Maric's traits/looks.  I doubt the people of Ferelden would have reason to doubt their saviors.  Considering even an unhardened Alistair becomes an alright King a hardened Alistair/Cousland would be fine rulers.  Plus the Queen saved Ferelden not once but twice if you count Awakening.

Therins do seem to have a mighty strong genetic code. Not sure it really matters what the surrogate looks like.

Maybe the kid'll have red hair and they can say it inherited it from its grandmother, or if it ends up not looking so Theirin-like it can be chalked up to Alistair's commoner mother shining through or some Cousland ancestor. Then again, considering Maric's copypasta sons... haha.

[Axekix]

errant_knight wrote...

Serissia wrote...

Oh to harden Leliana or not? Such a hard choice... I always harden her on my HNF.

I've never hardened her. It just doesn't feel right to me, like telling her not to bother trying to be a better person. Also, I can't warm to Zevran. That bit about enjoying killing squicks me out everytime. I don't want to hear Leliana say something like that. Right now, she's a little bit nuts, but good at heart, or trying to be, anyway. I don't want to change that.

I'm exactly the same way when it comes to Lel and Zev.  I've never hardened Lel, even on my darker playthroughs (the dialogue options just sems extremely manipulative and feel OOC for my chars) and Zev is kind of... well, Zev.

[Serissia]

Axekix wrote...
I'm exactly the same way when it comes to Lel and Zev.  I've never hardened Lel, even on my darker playthroughs (the dialogue options just sems extremely manipulative and feel OOC for my chars) and Zev is kind of... well, Zev.

Dragon Age Wiki makes a pretty convincing plausible case for her behavior though. 

I need to figure out how to get the epilogue for Shale where she returns to Orzammar and battles vs the darkspawn instead of going to Tevinter.

[Addai]

Serissia wrote...

If Eamon could keep Alistair's true heritage from his own wife I'm sure he'd be willing to keep the child's mother's idenity a secret.  Plus, there would be no reason to doubt the pregancy.  If Alistair/HNF annouced that she was with child openly... miracle... blah, blah, blah...  Then later on said the Queen was indisposed do to complications with her pregancy do to the taint.  Taking that into consideration on top of the normal amount of possible issues a woman can go through while pregant seems highly plausible/believable. 

It's not really like anyone should feel slighted or inferior if it was a joint decision.  If Alistair/HNF had the child from its birth it would be for all extensive purposes their child. 

It's a LOT harder to fake a pregnancy and birth than to prove who the daddy is.  Just sayin'.  This is why they used to have witnesses at royal births, to make sure there was no switcheroo.

[Serissia]

yukidama wrote...
Maybe the kid'll have red hair and they can say it inherited it from its grandmother, or if it ends up not looking so Theirin-like it can be chalked up to Alistair's commoner mother shining through or some Cousland ancestor. Then again, considering Maric's copypasta sons... haha.

My Cousland has very dark brown almost black hair and grey eyes.  I always thought if they had a child it would basically be Alistair's build w/ dark hair and Alistair's hazel eyes.  Yum!  Wait... that's kind of a creepy yum but w/e the kid would be hot.

[Serissia]

Addai67 wrote...
It's a LOT harder to fake a pregnancy and birth than to prove who the daddy is.  Just sayin'.  This is why they used to have witnesses at royal births, to make sure there was no switcheroo.

Eamon, Teagan and Fergus would be suitable witnesses... just saying.  No one would have a reason to doubt any of them.  If there needed to be a mage present Wynne or Anders would be suitable.  It's definately do able.

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...


It's a LOT harder to fake a pregnancy and birth than to prove who the daddy is.  Just sayin'.  This is why they used to have witnesses at royal births, to make sure there was no switcheroo.

That is my feeling on it, never mind the whole involvement factor: a sperm donor is required for conception only while a surrogate needs to be dealt with and hidden for almost a year. 

Modifié par SurelyForth, 04 mai 2010 - 03:09 .

[Addai]

Serissia wrote...

I need to figure out how to get the epilogue for Shale where she returns to Orzammar and battles vs the darkspawn instead of going to Tevinter.

I can't not get that, and it leaves me with Wynne as court mage. 





(Alistair looking smug because he always sneaks Wynne into court.)

Modifié par Addai67, 04 mai 2010 - 03:13 .