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[cmessaz]

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...


It's a LOT harder to fake a pregnancy and birth than to prove who the daddy is.  Just sayin'.  This is why they used to have witnesses at royal births, to make sure there was no switcheroo.

That is my feeling on it, never mind the whole involvement factor: a sperm donor is required for conception only while a surrogate needs to be dealt with and hidden for almost a year. 

This is what I've always said. The queen needs to be the one to bear the child. Any child concieved with another woman has a greater risk of discovery.

[Serissia]

SurelyForth wrote...
This is my feelings on it, never mind the whole involvement factor: a sperm donor is required for conception only while a surrogate needs to be dealt with and hidden for almost a year.

You're thinking of it w/ too much of a modern prospective.  If you think back to just early 1900 bank robbers the likes of John Dillinger openly hid amongst the people.  There was no cell phones, cameras, etc... it was much easier to hide someone.  That was only in the 1900s back in the era of DA it would be even easier.  They could hide the woman on a farm hold where there would be next to no likely hood of anyone ever coming by.  Have someone there to take care of her needs and when the time was close bring her into the castle as a servant in the night. 

Modifié par Serissia, 04 mai 2010 - 03:15 .

[errant_knight]

cmessaz wrote...

Oh I don't know if I can actually play this way

Where's that picture of the kitty going Nooooooo!
We need that now.

[Serissia]

Addai67 wrote...
I can't not get that, and it leaves me with Wynne as court mage. 

What are you doing to get that choice?  Did you take Shale w/ you to Caridin?

[errant_knight]

cmessaz wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...


It's a LOT harder to fake a pregnancy and birth than to prove who the daddy is.  Just sayin'.  This is why they used to have witnesses at royal births, to make sure there was no switcheroo.

That is my feeling on it, never mind the whole involvement factor: a sperm donor is required for conception only while a surrogate needs to be dealt with and hidden for almost a year. 

This is what I've always said. The queen needs to be the one to bear the child. Any child concieved with another woman has a greater risk of discovery.

Discovery can happen in either case. The only time it's a serious problem is if the child isn't a real heir, as in not Alistair's

[cmessaz]

Yeah, it's just gotta go

[Serissia]

Every time Shale calls Wilhelm's wife a hag it makes me laugh.

[cmessaz]

errant_knight wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...


It's a LOT harder to fake a pregnancy and birth than to prove who the daddy is.  Just sayin'.  This is why they used to have witnesses at royal births, to make sure there was no switcheroo.

That is my feeling on it, never mind the whole involvement factor: a sperm donor is required for conception only while a surrogate needs to be dealt with and hidden for almost a year. 

This is what I've always said. The queen needs to be the one to bear the child. Any child concieved with another woman has a greater risk of discovery.

Discovery can happen in either case. The only time it's a serious problem is if the child isn't a real heir, as in not Alistair's

Impregnating another woman and everyone knowing about it would be somewhat humiliating for the queen. Why do you think they called a child born out of wedlock illegitimate? Besides, I heard someone say that there is an army of Maric bastards, so lets find one of them and have them impregnate the queen. Or we could just sit back at let it lie, because having no heir at all is a good thing from a gaming perspective, possible plot for DA2.

[cmessaz]

Serissia wrote...

Every time Shale calls Wilhelm's wife a hag it makes me laugh.

When does this happen?

[Serissia]

cmessaz wrote...

Serissia wrote...

Every time Shale calls Wilhelm's wife a hag it makes me laugh.

When does this happen?

If you ask if she remembers anything before the village.  Prior to reading TST I had always thought she was referring to the great battle with the darkspawn during Caridin's time but she is actually referring to the war w/ Orlais. 

[LadyDamodred]

cmessaz wrote...
Impregnating another woman and everyone knowing about it would be somewhat humiliating for the queen. Why do you think they called a child born out of wedlock illegitimate? Besides, I heard someone say that there is an army of Maric bastards, so lets find one of them and have them impregnate the queen. Or we could just sit back at let it lie, because having no heir at all is a good thing from a gaming perspective, possible plot for DA2.

It doesn't matter if it's humiliating for the queen.  That has no bearing on it.  The heir needs to descend through the royal line, ie, through Alistair.  Attempting to foist another man's kid would lead to more problems in the long run that just adopting someone to be the heir.  It is the deception that would anger people, not the being a bastard part.

[cmessaz]

I guess that would require me to befriend her.

[Serissia]

Shale, "Plus she didn't want me indoors.  She said there wasn't room for me.  Hag."
PC, "His wife?"
Shale, "Hmph.  Once I was larger.  Ten feet tall.  Then that loathsome hag complained I couldn't fit through the doors.  So the mage had me shrunk down!  Shrunk down!  Can you believe it?  And she still wanted me out!"

[errant_knight]

LadyDamodred wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
Impregnating another woman and everyone knowing about it would be somewhat humiliating for the queen. Why do you think they called a child born out of wedlock illegitimate? Besides, I heard someone say that there is an army of Maric bastards, so lets find one of them and have them impregnate the queen. Or we could just sit back at let it lie, because having no heir at all is a good thing from a gaming perspective, possible plot for DA2.

It doesn't matter if it's humiliating for the queen.  That has no bearing on it.  The heir needs to descend through the royal line, ie, through Alistair.  Attempting to foist another man's kid would lead to more problems in the long run that just adopting someone to be the heir.  It is the deception that would anger people, not the being a bastard part.

Yepper. Exactly.

[cmessaz]

Serissia wrote...

Shale, "Plus she didn't want me indoors.  She said there wasn't room for me.  Hag."
PC, "His wife?"
Shale, "Hmph.  Once I was larger.  Ten feet tall.  Then that loathsome hag complained I couldn't fit through the doors.  So the mage had me shrunk down!  Shrunk down!  Can you believe it?  And she still wanted me out!"

Oh yeah I do remember that.

And about the heir thing- It is a better set up (not for the good of Ferelden) for the good of the gaming world to not have an heir at all. It sets up for a possible awsome DA2, civil war or some such. It may suck, but um this is dark fantasy. That is my final opinion. I will no longer argue about how an heir could be made, I will let you all discuss that.

Modifié par cmessaz, 04 mai 2010 - 03:31 .

[Lady Jess]

errant_knight wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...


It's a LOT harder to fake a pregnancy and birth than to prove who the daddy is.  Just sayin'.  This is why they used to have witnesses at royal births, to make sure there was no switcheroo.

That is my feeling on it, never mind the whole involvement factor: a sperm donor is required for conception only while a surrogate needs to be dealt with and hidden for almost a year. 

This is what I've always said. The queen needs to be the one to bear the child. Any child concieved with another woman has a greater risk of discovery.

Discovery can happen in either case. The only time it's a serious problem is if the child isn't a real heir, as in not Alistair's

It would be really simple. Alistair uses a surrogate. Kingdom finds out. King and Queen have a staged public spat, because his "mistress" dropped off his "bastard heir".  Maric had one, Cailan may even have one, it happens. King and Queen work things out, and raise baby Theirin.

[cmessaz]

If Cailen had a bastard heir, then what exactly is the problem here? Name it heir.

[Serissia]

cmessaz wrote...

If Cailen had a bastard heir, then what exactly is the problem here? Name it heir.

Would be shocked if he didn't if he inherited daddy's swimmers.  Maric basically knocked Rowan up the moment they settled down and he knocked Fiona up in one go.

[LadyDamodred]

cmessaz wrote...
And about the heir thing- It is a better set up (not for the good of Ferelden) for the good of the gaming world to not have an heir at all. It sets up for a possible awsome DA2, civil war or some such. It may suck, but um this is dark fantasy. That is my final opinion. I will no longer argue about how an heir could be made, I will let you all discuss that.

Oh, I agree that there won't be an blood heir for the next game.  I am totally cool with that.  That's what fanfic is for.  My money is on a Fergus kid being the next heir, but we shall see.

[Lady Jess]

cmessaz wrote...

If Cailen had a bastard heir, then what exactly is the problem here? Name it heir.

Maybe he did. Maybe thats why no heirs are ever mentioned. Plot fodder for the future. Cailan Jr is ticked off and tries to steal the throne from whomever is sitting on it. Amid darkspawn doing something unusual of course, so the wardens must help.

[cmessaz]

LadyDamodred wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
And about the heir thing- It is a better set up (not for the good of Ferelden) for the good of the gaming world to not have an heir at all. It sets up for a possible awsome DA2, civil war or some such. It may suck, but um this is dark fantasy. That is my final opinion. I will no longer argue about how an heir could be made, I will let you all discuss that.

Oh, I agree that there won't be an blood heir for the next game.  I am totally cool with that.  That's what fanfic is for.  My money is on a Fergus kid being the next heir, but we shall see.

Exactly!! Thanks Lady.

[cmessaz]

Lady Jess wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

If Cailen had a bastard heir, then what exactly is the problem here? Name it heir.

Maybe he did. Maybe thats why no heirs are ever mentioned. Plot fodder for the future. Cailan Jr is ticked off and tries to steal the throne from whomever is sitting on it. Amid darkspawn doing something unusual of course, so the wardens must help.

But he/she would be a great choice if the king and queen didn't produce an heir. I don't think fighting would be necessary.

ANYWAY! No more heir discussing for me. The last post by Lady is good enough I say.

Modifié par cmessaz, 04 mai 2010 - 03:39 .

[Lady Jess]

Serissia wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

If Cailen had a bastard heir, then what exactly is the problem here? Name it heir.

Would be shocked if he didn't if he inherited daddy's swimmers.  Maric basically knocked Rowan up the moment they settled down and he knocked Fiona up in one go.

With those Genes all Cailan had to do was look at a girl...babies everywhere!

[mellifera]

Well, personally humiliating then it doesn't matter. But if she becomes a joke within her own nation it may be problematic.Then again, I do not foresee that happening ever, considering her accomplishments and how active she is in protecting Ferelden. I figure saving everyone's ass repeatedly gathers you a ton of allies and makes you pretty popular.

And yeah, I suspect that there won't be an heir no matter what you do for the next game. I always leaned more toward the selection of a successor over an elaborate surrogacy scheme.

Modifié par yukidama, 04 mai 2010 - 03:43 .

[Lady Jess]

cmessaz wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

If Cailen had a bastard heir, then what exactly is the problem here? Name it heir.

Maybe he did. Maybe thats why no heirs are ever mentioned. Plot fodder for the future. Cailan Jr is ticked off and tries to steal the throne from whomever is sitting on it. Amid darkspawn doing something unusual of course, so the wardens must help.

But he/she would be a great choice if the king and queen didn't produce an heir. I don't think fighting would be necessary.

But then it wouldn't make for good gaming! I was going for vengeful, angry, air of entitlement unknown hweir to the throne, rebellion, drama...intrigue, assassination plots!

Top of the page...Teamwork pic!


I love how it looks like he's shielding her.<3

Modifié par Lady Jess, 04 mai 2010 - 03:45 .