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[sylvanaerie]

LadyDamodred wrote...

klarabella wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Query and challenge for all of you.

Is this an actual shot from the game, and if so, where?

I thought it was at the Korcari Wilds. But I think he's carrying a two-hander sword.

No, regular sword.  And yes, it looks like the Korcari Wilds, but where exactly would this scene/expression take place?

It looks like when he says "So this is a dreaded witch of the wilds" BUT it could be a stock footage shot (like they do with a lot of movies/tv shows".  I used to collect trading cards of Star Trek (The original) and Space:1999 and there were a lot of those.  That looks like unmodded cousland sword or maybe Alistair's original blade on his back? I dunno 

[LadyDamodred]

cmessaz wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

I wish I could make people see my unhardened Alistair POV.

I haven't left him unhardened ever since I knew what the term meant and how to go about it.  It just seems wrong, like it's confirming the crap that was done to him in his childhood.

No I don't see it that way. Hardened Alistair really doesn't mind that his "true love" is approaching him with an idea to marry another woman. Unhardened is "flaberghasted". If he isn't going to be king, he is better unhardened imo. As a HNF, I am there to help him. Telling him to stop being a nice guy isn't good for me. I hate it in fact. (please excuse me if I spell flaberghasted wrong)

You're not telling him to stop being a nice guy.  You're telling him that other people will be out to use him, so he needs to 1) protect himself and 2) it's okay for him to be happy too.  He can be selfish and it's okay.

[nos_astra]

LadyDamodred wrote...

klarabella wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
Query and challenge for all of you.
Is this an actual shot from the game, and if so, where?

I thought it was at the Korcari Wilds. But I think he's carrying a two-hander sword.

No, regular sword.  And yes, it looks like the Korcari Wilds, but where exactly would this scene/expression take place?

Originally you could talk to him during the Korcari Wilds. I think it's not from a scripted cutscene but from a normal convo cutscene. I know it's possible using Lady Olivia's ADP. I'm sure on my first playthrough with my mage on PS3 I could talk to him there, too.

Modifié par klarabella, 04 mai 2010 - 09:41 .

[LadyDamodred]

sylvanaerie wrote...
It looks like when he says "So this is a dreaded witch of the wilds" BUT it could be a stock footage shot (like they do with a lot of movies/tv shows".  I used to collect trading cards of Star Trek (The original) and Space:1999 and there were a lot of those.  That looks like unmodded cousland sword or maybe Alistair's original blade on his back? I dunno 

Hmm, you think at Flemeth's?  Lighting looks really light, but maybe.

[Serissia]

I love IA now my whole team looks awesome.  Well, Sten not so much w/ his banana split colored armor but... everyone else!

[cmessaz]

LadyDamodred wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

I wish I could make people see my unhardened Alistair POV.

I haven't left him unhardened ever since I knew what the term meant and how to go about it.  It just seems wrong, like it's confirming the crap that was done to him in his childhood.

No I don't see it that way. Hardened Alistair really doesn't mind that his "true love" is approaching him with an idea to marry another woman. Unhardened is "flaberghasted". If he isn't going to be king, he is better unhardened imo. As a HNF, I am there to help him. Telling him to stop being a nice guy isn't good for me. I hate it in fact. (please excuse me if I spell flaberghasted wrong)

You're not telling him to stop being a nice guy.  You're telling him that other people will be out to use him, so he needs to 1) protect himself and 2) it's okay for him to be happy too.  He can be selfish and it's okay.

But he does stop being a "nice guy". I wish people would just try it once. Try it and not make him king before anyone is too against it. If he is king then yes it is better to harden him, though personally I prefer him unhardened.

[Lintanis]

Serissia wrote...

I love IA now my whole team looks awesome.  Well, Sten not so much w/ his banana split colored armor but... everyone else!

wow <3Morrigan looking like a Bond Babe 

[sylvanaerie]

LadyDamodred wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...
It looks like when he says "So this is a dreaded witch of the wilds" BUT it could be a stock footage shot (like they do with a lot of movies/tv shows".  I used to collect trading cards of Star Trek (The original) and Space:1999 and there were a lot of those.  That looks like unmodded cousland sword or maybe Alistair's original blade on his back? I dunno 

Hmm, you think at Flemeth's?  Lighting looks really light, but maybe.

No I don't think its at Flemeth's just saying thats kind of the expression he has in that scene.  The lighting looks off but it could be my PC for that I dunno.  I think its more one of those Stock footage things, like action stills they took to promote something in print.

[LadyDamodred]

cmessaz wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
You're not telling him to stop being a nice guy.  You're telling him that other people will be out to use him, so he needs to 1) protect himself and 2) it's okay for him to be happy too.  He can be selfish and it's okay.

But he does stop being a "nice guy". I wish people would just try it once. Try it and not make him king before anyone is too against it. If he is king then yes it is better to harden him, though personally I prefer him unhardened.

He was unhardened my first play through, so I have seen him both ways.  How does he stop being a nice guy?

[Serissia]

I agree, hardening Alistair is to his benefit. The only time I don't harden Alistair is if I'm going to do the Warden ending. I think a hardened Alistair would have regrets concerning the out come of the Landsmeet. Regardless, I hardly ever do the Warden ending since a) no Awakening cameo and I hate the thought of Anora as a ruler.

[sylvanaerie]

cmessaz wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

I wish I could make people see my unhardened Alistair POV.

I haven't left him unhardened ever since I knew what the term meant and how to go about it.  It just seems wrong, like it's confirming the crap that was done to him in his childhood.

No I don't see it that way. Hardened Alistair really doesn't mind that his "true love" is approaching him with an idea to marry another woman. Unhardened is "flaberghasted". If he isn't going to be king, he is better unhardened imo. As a HNF, I am there to help him. Telling him to stop being a nice guy isn't good for me. I hate it in fact. (please excuse me if I spell flaberghasted wrong)

You're not telling him to stop being a nice guy.  You're telling him that other people will be out to use him, so he needs to 1) protect himself and 2) it's okay for him to be happy too.  He can be selfish and it's okay.

But he does stop being a "nice guy". I wish people would just try it once. Try it and not make him king before anyone is too against it. If he is king then yes it is better to harden him, though personally I prefer him unhardened.

I did try sweetie.  I went all the way AFTER the Landsmeeet but seeing how everyone walked all over him in there just broke my heart.  I had to harden him, I don't think he will ever be happy unhardened. He doesn't know how to tell people like Eamon to just STFU and leave him alone.

[Addai]

cmessaz wrote...
No I don't see it that way. Hardened Alistair really doesn't mind that his "true love" is approaching him with an idea to marry another woman. Unhardened is "flaberghasted". If he isn't going to be king, he is better unhardened imo. As a HNF, I am there to help him. Telling him to stop being a nice guy isn't good for me. I hate it in fact. (please excuse me if I spell flaberghasted wrong)

edit: took those out of the toolset. Hardened he is "Neutral, but doesn't really approve"

Nooo, I just played this with DEF and he certainly does mind.  Alistair sad eyes!  I almost couldn't go through with it!  The idea would never occur to him if it wasn't his LI herself suggesting it.  He's doing it because you think it's a good idea and you urge him to do it.

[Lady Jess]

cmessaz wrote...

Serissia-try telling him that you don't have a future, hardened or unhardened I think it is sweet. And his responses to trying to get him to marry anora are sweeter unhardened. Just DON'T make him king. I never harden him if I am not making him king.

Ack! I'm not sure I could ever say it...lol I still haven't done a hardened run through. I have a Dalish rogue sitting unplayed, hmmm maybe she could do it and the warden ending. THEN I could live with havng Alistair in my keep in Awakening.

[nos_astra]

Serissia wrote...
I agree, hardening Alistair is to his benefit. The only time I don't harden Alistair is if I'm going to do the Warden ending. I think a hardened Alistair would have regrets concerning the out come of the Landsmeet. Regardless, I hardly ever do the Warden ending since a) no Awakening cameo and I hate the thought of Anora as a ruler.

I thought about this too but eventually decided that he would get over it. In the end not being King means freedom and I'm fairly sure hardened!Alistair will soon appreciate it. I actually think being King is a punishment.

Modifié par klarabella, 04 mai 2010 - 09:48 .

[sylvanaerie]

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
No I don't see it that way. Hardened Alistair really doesn't mind that his "true love" is approaching him with an idea to marry another woman. Unhardened is "flaberghasted". If he isn't going to be king, he is better unhardened imo. As a HNF, I am there to help him. Telling him to stop being a nice guy isn't good for me. I hate it in fact. (please excuse me if I spell flaberghasted wrong)

edit: took those out of the toolset. Hardened he is "Neutral, but doesn't really approve"

Nooo, I just played this with DEF and he certainly does mind.  Alistair sad eyes!  I almost couldn't go through with it!  The idea would never occur to him if it wasn't his LI herself suggesting it.  He's doing it because you think it's a good idea and you urge him to do it.

 I will never do this again.  I know its good for Ferelden but I just can't do it to him even if PC is his mistress I just can't.  Either Anora solo or Al solo from now on.  (or married to PC)

[Thor Rand Al]

Addai67 wrote...

Serissia wrote...

Is Morrigan's romance rly worth playing through as a guy? I mean, I don't hate her but I'm not a member of her fan club either. I've kept her w/ me through my mages play through thus far and she's been amusing.

I enjoyed it.  Not just the romance itself I guess, but the idea of playing a male PC romancing her.  Has some very knight in shining armor moments.  I mean, what compares to slaying a dragon on behalf of your beloved?

Her romance lines are some of the bawdiest, but there is also a sweet vulnerability and tragedy to it, so it's a fun mix.

Of course, you know how it's gonna end. 

I have to agree with you on that.  I know I got to redo my HNM origins cause I lost all of those but I'll definitely do the Morrigan romance before Lel's.  There's more involvement with Morrigan's romance, as you said there's a sweet vulnerablity/tragedy mix doing the Morrigan romance.

[cmessaz]

LadyDamodred wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
You're not telling him to stop being a nice guy.  You're telling him that other people will be out to use him, so he needs to 1) protect himself and 2) it's okay for him to be happy too.  He can be selfish and it's okay.

But he does stop being a "nice guy". I wish people would just try it once. Try it and not make him king before anyone is too against it. If he is king then yes it is better to harden him, though personally I prefer him unhardened.

He was unhardened my first play through, so I have seen him both ways.  How does he stop being a nice guy?

Well, like I said above, he is "neutral" with the idea of marrying Anora for starters, even though he is in love with the player. He says he loves you unhardened, among other things that would require me to actually get that far in the game to witness again. He is more out for himself hardened, I've read but not witnessed, that he is more willing to allow the player to do questionable things hardened (such as releasing Jowan) but again, I have never witnessed this. But he is just sweeter to his lover unhardened. It just fits better if you don't plan to make him king. Plus after the landsmeet, he is a lot more gratefull to you for not making him king than if he is hardened.

[Addai]

cmessaz wrote...

But he does stop being a "nice guy". I wish people would just try it once. Try it and not make him king before anyone is too against it. If he is king then yes it is better to harden him, though personally I prefer him unhardened.

Well this is part of my problem with it.  I can't make Anora sole ruler.  My mouse won't move over those dialogue options.

[cmessaz]

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
No I don't see it that way. Hardened Alistair really doesn't mind that his "true love" is approaching him with an idea to marry another woman. Unhardened is "flaberghasted". If he isn't going to be king, he is better unhardened imo. As a HNF, I am there to help him. Telling him to stop being a nice guy isn't good for me. I hate it in fact. (please excuse me if I spell flaberghasted wrong)

edit: took those out of the toolset. Hardened he is "Neutral, but doesn't really approve"

Nooo, I just played this with DEF and he certainly does mind.  Alistair sad eyes!  I almost couldn't go through with it!  The idea would never occur to him if it wasn't his LI herself suggesting it.  He's doing it because you think it's a good idea and you urge him to do it.

What I said comes from the toolset. He is "neutral but really doesn't approve" if hardened, and "flabberghasted" if he is not hardened.

Modifié par cmessaz, 04 mai 2010 - 09:51 .

[nos_astra]

cmessaz wrote...
What I said comes from the toolset. He is "neutral but really doesn't approve" And "flabberghasted" if he is not hardened.

Are you sure the "flabberghasted" is because of the marriage? It also means that he's going to be King and he doesn't like that one bit.

Hardened Alistair is fine with becoming King but disapproves of marrying Anora.
Unhardened Alistair heavily disapproves of being King to begin with.

[sylvanaerie]

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

But he does stop being a "nice guy". I wish people would just try it once. Try it and not make him king before anyone is too against it. If he is king then yes it is better to harden him, though personally I prefer him unhardened.

Well this is part of my problem with it.  I can't make Anora sole ruler.  My mouse won't move over those dialogue options.

I don't mind making her solo ruler (Except for her screechy speech) if I can ever get done with my Dalish I may do that with her.  She does a creditable job but there is the whole "no man is up to Daddy's shadow" in her eyes which leads to heir issues esp since she HAS no other relatives.  So there the MacTir line ends.

[cmessaz]

Unhardened Alistair will object by saying one of the following:

I understand, and I still don't care. I don't want anyone else.

or

So are you. Your more important to me than ANYTHING. I don't want anyone else. Even for pretend.

or

So are you. More important than the throne by far.

Depending on your choices.

[cmessaz]

klarabella wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
What I said comes from the toolset. He is "neutral but really doesn't approve" And "flabberghasted" if he is not hardened.

Are you sure the "flabberghasted" is because of the marriage? It also means that he's going to be King and he doesn't like that one bit.

Hardened Alistair is fine with becoming King but disapproves of marrying Anora.
Unhardened Alistair heavily disapproves of being King to begin with.

Flaberghasted at the idea that his lover is bringing up the idea of marrying Anora. I don't have the toolset right now, but I will get back in it. The lines I posted are from experience, though. Maybe not verbatim, but close.

Modifié par cmessaz, 04 mai 2010 - 09:55 .

[LadyDamodred]

cmessaz wrote...
Well, like I said above, he is "neutral" with the idea of marrying Anora for starters, even though he is in love with the player. He says he loves you unhardened, among other things that would require me to actually get that far in the game to witness again. He is more out for himself hardened, I've read but not witnessed, that he is more willing to allow the player to do questionable things hardened (such as releasing Jowan) but again, I have never witnessed this. But he is just sweeter to his lover unhardened. It just fits better if you don't plan to make him king. Plus after the landsmeet, he is a lot more gratefull to you for not making him king than if he is hardened.

I don't see this as him not being a good guy.  And yes, he is more out for himself if he is hardened.  That's the point.  Otherwise he just lets people walk all over him, the PC included.  A hardened Alistair is a grown-up Alistair to me.  He is better able to understand things beyiond a simple black and white point of view.  It is also what results in you being able to stay with him as mistress.  He learned it's okay to be selfish about his own happiness.

[Addai]

sylvanaerie wrote...

 I will never do this again.  I know its good for Ferelden but I just can't do it to him even if PC is his mistress I just can't.  Either Anora solo or Al solo from now on.  (or married to PC)

In the end, I didn't.  I had Ali duel Loghain and lop off his head, so that took care of that.  I was just roleplaying it because I think it's what DEF would have done.  In her 1st game, I did go through with the Anora marriage.  His line at post-coronation is cute.

PC:  What about Anora?
A: Let her get her own conquering hero. I've got mine.

That's the one where I recall the VO notes said "affectionate nuzzle." 


There's not been enough Maricstair around these parts lately.

Modifié par Addai67, 04 mai 2010 - 10:04 .