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[errant_knight]

Addai67 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

He might if he didn't have any other help. I think she'd probably have less influence rather than more, without the PC to make peace. I suspect that without the PC to lean on, he'd probably become 'hardened' anyway, and probably earlier. He'd end up arguing with Morrigan at every turn and taking a stand right there in Lothering with the merchant. He might take Sten, but he certainly wouldn't abandon Redcliffe, or use blood magic on Isolde. He'd have to get used to making decisions right away.

This is my view.  I mean, it's entirely possible that if the PC died that Zevran would have succeeded in killing himself, Leliana would have died a meaningless death in Lothering muttering about her vision, etc.  But there's nothing saying that without the PC in the picture, that it had to end up that way.  And Alistair is no more fixed in his character and behavior than any other NPC.  He is changed by the Warden PC because he/she is there.  If he/she isn't there, he'll be changed by that fact, and there's nothing saying that he would change for the worse.

Yep. I see the PC as a potentially powerful person, in the right place at the right time, but not some  god/goddess on whom the fate of Ferelden depends. I see no reason to think that Alistair wouldn't follow essentially the same path, although somewhat unhappily at first.

[nos_astra]

errant_knight wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

He might if he didn't have any other help. I think she'd probably have less influence rather than more, without the PC to make peace. I suspect that without the PC to lean on, he'd probably become 'hardened' anyway, and probably earlier. He'd end up arguing with Morrigan at every turn and taking a stand right there in Lothering with the merchant. He might take Sten, but he certainly wouldn't abandon Redcliffe, or use blood magic on Isolde. He'd have to get used to making decisions right away.

This is my view.  I mean, it's entirely possible that if the PC died that Zevran would have succeeded in killing himself, Leliana would have died a meaningless death in Lothering muttering about her vision, etc.  But there's nothing saying that without the PC in the picture, that it had to end up that way.  And Alistair is no more fixed in his character and behavior than any other NPC.  He is changed by the Warden PC because he/she is there.  If he/she isn't there, he'll be changed by that fact, and there's nothing saying that he would change for the worse.

Yep. I see the PC as a potentially powerful person, in the right place at the right time, but not some  god/goddess on whom the fate of Ferelden depends. I see no reason to think that Alistair wouldn't follow essentially the same path, although somewhat unhappily at first.

THANK YOU! Really, I thought I was the only one who preferred this take on the role of the PC. 

Modifié par klarabella, 05 mai 2010 - 07:27 .

[errant_knight]

Serissia wrote...

Alistair didn't know the PC well enough to form an emotionally attachment by Lothering.  He'd be mourning the death of Duncan as well as the other Wardens.  Personally I don't find it hard to believe that an unhardened Alistair facing the Blight as the last Grey Warden would turn down Flemeth's help in anyway presented.  He'd have no choice.  Alistair is under no illusion that he would be able to single handedly stop the Blight. 

Also take into consideration that this DLC is happening at the final battle.  There would of been plenty of time for a possible relationship to have formed between them.  If he truly hated her in the AU he could of sent her away.  I suppose it's possible that he begrudgingly accepts her help the whole way but I find that hard to believe.  Much like our PCs if nothing else some kind of friendship would probably form between them. 

Really? I don't find that hard to believe at all. Not that he'd turn down help, he wouldn't, but that he'd develop warm feelings toward Morrigan. He might feel a certain pity. He might come to value her as a team member, and feel a duty toward her, but friendship? Not so much. And not a chance of romance, IMO. I'm not saying he might not do the dark ritual, but that really doesn't have anything to do with romance.

Modifié par errant_knight, 05 mai 2010 - 07:30 .

[cmessaz]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Hey girls, have you heard of the new DLC? We get to play as a darkspawn.
I particularily like this sentence:

"A look at an alternate history: what if your character had died in the Joining ceremony, and the Grey Wardens marched under Alistair's command instead?"

Ha, it would have been a disaster, sorry girls

Have you heard the rumors of an alistair/morrigan romance?

....WHAT?!

Uhuh. Exactly what I think. WHAT?!

[TotoroTori]

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

"Rant"

Darkspawn Chronicles is about to create a whole load of character inconsistencies... Would Alistair have kept Morrigan around, without the Warden? no he wouldn't. Would he of saved the Anvil of the Void? because there are Golems in one of the pictures. Would he of survived without the Warden? I doubt it, he would of probablyof died during the the first treaty mission. This content is designed, just so haters can finally kill Morrigan and Alistair in a glorious bloodbath. A Dev said " If the Warden had died, this could of happened" WHAT? Alistair becomes a strategic ruthless leader, if the Warden had died? out the window with believability.

[Rant over] I feel better now.

I kinda agree with ya

I'll wait, but I'll wait to see the reviews of this one first

[cmessaz]

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

"Rant"

Darkspawn Chronicles is about to create a whole load of character inconsistencies... Would Alistair have kept Morrigan around, without the Warden? no he wouldn't. Would he of saved the Anvil of the Void? because there are Golems in one of the pictures. Would he of survived without the Warden? I doubt it, he would of probably of died during the the first treaty mission. This content is designed, just so haters can finally kill Morrigan and Alistair in a glorious bloodbath. A Dev said " If the Warden had died, this could of happened" WHAT? Alistair becomes a strategic ruthless leader, if the Warden had died? out the window with believability.

[Rant over] I feel better now.

I still don't feel better.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I think the whole idea is meeh to be honest.

Had they made a DLC about a disciple under the command of the Architect, it would have been intersting. We need insight on the "Awakening" of the darkspawn and of the Architect in specific.

And this whole Alistair / Morrigan romance is a pile of ****.

[cmessaz]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I think the whole idea is meeh to be honest.
Had they made a DLC about a disciple under the command of the Architect, it would have been intersting. We need insight on the "Awakening" of the darkspawn and of the Architect in specific.
And this whole Alistair / Morrigan romance is a pile of ****.

We agree on something! They don't put romance in a 40 dollar expansion, but put it in a 5 dollar DLC? Don't think so. They'll just leave it full of holes for us to fill in.

[Addai]

errant_knight wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

He might if he didn't have any other help. I think she'd probably have less influence rather than more, without the PC to make peace. I suspect that without the PC to lean on, he'd probably become 'hardened' anyway, and probably earlier. He'd end up arguing with Morrigan at every turn and taking a stand right there in Lothering with the merchant. He might take Sten, but he certainly wouldn't abandon Redcliffe, or use blood magic on Isolde. He'd have to get used to making decisions right away.

This is my view.  I mean, it's entirely possible that if the PC died that Zevran would have succeeded in killing himself, Leliana would have died a meaningless death in Lothering muttering about her vision, etc.  But there's nothing saying that without the PC in the picture, that it had to end up that way.  And Alistair is no more fixed in his character and behavior than any other NPC.  He is changed by the Warden PC because he/she is there.  If he/she isn't there, he'll be changed by that fact, and there's nothing saying that he would change for the worse.

Yep. I see the PC as a potentially powerful person, in the right place at the right time, but not some  god/goddess on whom the fate of Ferelden depends. I see no reason to think that Alistair wouldn't follow essentially the same path, although somewhat unhappily at first.

The PC is god, that's a rule of gaming it seems.  And for some people, Alistair is their woobie, who exists only to highlight how truly awesome they are.  They can't imagine a woobie as an actual person any more than their PC is an actual person.

*shrugs*  Bioware has to give people what they want or they don't get paid.

Modifié par Addai67, 05 mai 2010 - 07:37 .

[TotoroTori]

I would laugh so hard at Alistair and Morrigan sweet talking each other and holding hands.....

come on it would be hiliriously OC of them.

Alistair:Maker's Breath but your beautiful Morrigan

[Lady Jess]

TotoroTori wrote...

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

"Rant"

Darkspawn Chronicles is about to create a whole load of character inconsistencies... Would Alistair have kept Morrigan around, without the Warden? no he wouldn't. Would he of saved the Anvil of the Void? because there are Golems in one of the pictures. Would he of survived without the Warden? I doubt it, he would of probablyof died during the the first treaty mission. This content is designed, just so haters can finally kill Morrigan and Alistair in a glorious bloodbath. A Dev said " If the Warden had died, this could of happened" WHAT? Alistair becomes a strategic ruthless leader, if the Warden had died? out the window with believability.

[Rant over] I feel better now.

I kinda agree with ya

I'll wait, but I'll wait to see the reviews of this one first

I don't think he'd have died in the first treaty, he IS a cometent warrior after all. And Morrigan is there, so he certainly wasn't alone. Maybe being the sole survivor, hardens him immediately. Noone is there to show any sympathy...certainly Morrigan wouldn't. She'd be telling him to suck it up, and take vengence and in his state of mourning...anger...easily done.

[Lady Jess]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I think the whole idea is meeh to be honest.
Had they made a DLC about a disciple under the command of the Architect, it would have been intersting. We need insight on the "Awakening" of the darkspawn and of the Architect in specific.
And this whole Alistair / Morrigan romance is a pile of ****.

Or that darned  messenger from the end of Awakening. I mean they handwaved the US, they could handwave THAT.

[Lady Jess]

These black shields work. http://dragonagenexu...file.php?id=671 by the way. I'm all fixed up now.

[Serissia]

errant_knight wrote...
Really? I don't find that hard to believe at all. Not that he'd turn down help, he wouldn't, but that he'd develop warm feelings toward Morrigan. He might feel a certain pity. He might come to value her as a team member, and feel a duty toward her, but friendship? Not so much. And not a chance of romance, IMO. I'm not saying he might not do the dark ritual, but that really doesn't have anything to do with romance.

My point is I'm trying to explain the drastic personality change.  Regardless if he had to suck it up and lead it shouldn't of altered his base line morality that drastically.  Without someone like Morrigan being very influential to his decision making I don't see that happen. 

Basically I find it hard to believe that w/o the PC as a moral compass Alistair would just suddenly run off slaughter the Dalish, defile the Ashes and side w/ Branka.  I'm not saying all of those things happened but he did at least side w/ Branka.

[errant_knight]

Lady Jess wrote...

TotoroTori wrote...

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

"Rant"

Darkspawn Chronicles is about to create a whole load of character inconsistencies... Would Alistair have kept Morrigan around, without the Warden? no he wouldn't. Would he of saved the Anvil of the Void? because there are Golems in one of the pictures. Would he of survived without the Warden? I doubt it, he would of probablyof died during the the first treaty mission. This content is designed, just so haters can finally kill Morrigan and Alistair in a glorious bloodbath. A Dev said " If the Warden had died, this could of happened" WHAT? Alistair becomes a strategic ruthless leader, if the Warden had died? out the window with believability.

[Rant over] I feel better now.

I kinda agree with ya

I'll wait, but I'll wait to see the reviews of this one first

I don't think he'd have died in the first treaty, he IS a cometent warrior after all. And Morrigan is there, so he certainly wasn't alone. Maybe being the sole survivor, hardens him immediately. Noone is there to show any sympathy...certainly Morrigan wouldn't. She'd be telling him to suck it up, and take vengence and in his state of mourning...anger...easily done.

Hmmm. This is an interesting point. An Alistair who has to fight to do the right thing from the beginning, and is royally pissed off (no pun intended) all the time, might be quite a different Alistair pretty quickly.

[Sandtigress]

Serissia wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
Really? I don't find that hard to believe at all. Not that he'd turn down help, he wouldn't, but that he'd develop warm feelings toward Morrigan. He might feel a certain pity. He might come to value her as a team member, and feel a duty toward her, but friendship? Not so much. And not a chance of romance, IMO. I'm not saying he might not do the dark ritual, but that really doesn't have anything to do with romance.

My point is I'm trying to explain the drastic personality change.  Regardless if he had to suck it up and lead it shouldn't of altered his base line morality that drastically.  Without someone like Morrigan being very influential to his decision making I don't see that happen. 

Basically I find it hard to believe that w/o the PC as a moral compass Alistair would just suddenly run off slaughter the Dalish, defile the Ashes and side w/ Branka.  I'm not saying all of those things happened but he did at least side w/ Branka.

But siding with Branka is not so black and white.  Yes, making golems is a pretty terrible business but maybe Alistair thought that as desperate as things are with just one Warden in Ferelden, the extra firepower of the golems was necessary.  Or maybe he tried to talk Branka down about using the Anvil while not wanting to kill her out of respect for Oghren.

I don't think that either of those would be out of character for Alistair.

[Thor Rand Al]

cmessaz wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Hey girls, have you heard of the new DLC? We get to play as a darkspawn.
I particularily like this sentence:

"A look at an alternate history: what if your character had died in the Joining ceremony, and the Grey Wardens marched under Alistair's command instead?"

Ha, it would have been a disaster, sorry girls

Have you heard the rumors of an alistair/morrigan romance?

I really hope their just rumor's and it's not actually going to happen.  That just be a shame.  I think there might be a lot of unsettled Alistair n Morrigan fan's lmao.

I'm not sure of the new DLC.  I'll probably pass, not a big fan of playing an enemy like this lol.  If I was to get it the only reason would be to get whatever it unlocks as far as accomplishment or whatever. I'd play it once then never play it again lol.  But I'm not even sure I want it.  It doesn't sound appealing to me.

[cmessaz]

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

"Rant"

Darkspawn Chronicles is about to create a whole load of character inconsistencies... Would Alistair have kept Morrigan around, without the Warden? no he wouldn't. Would he of saved the Anvil of the Void? because there are Golems in one of the pictures. Would he of survived without the Warden? I doubt it, he would of probably of died during the the first treaty mission. This content is designed, just so haters can finally kill Morrigan and Alistair in a glorious bloodbath. A Dev said " If the Warden had died, this could of happened" WHAT? Alistair becomes a strategic ruthless leader, if the Warden had died? out the window with believability.

[Rant over] I feel better now.

I still don't feel better.

Just ignore this DLC, i have no intentions of buying it. You also get to Kill Zevran, Leliana and the rest of the companions. Why would Shale be there? if Alistair saved the Anvil of the Void?  I'm begining to get annoyed again.

Well....killing Morrigan is great. But again I want my PC's story built upon. Not this.

[cmessaz]

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

He hates Morrigan, and doesn't trust her. I just can't believe that he would keep her around, he is an ex-templar and you do sort of have to talk him around the idea of having Morrigan tag along at Flemeth's hut.

I could handle him keeping her around, but not a romance.

Modifié par cmessaz, 05 mai 2010 - 07:50 .

[sylvanaerie]

If you are playing as a darkspawn how will youi know about a romance, why he did anything he did (such as recruiting golems etc) who got recruited, who died etc.



its utter BullSh*t. I don't give a flying pig's ass about this new DLC> Bioware can stick it...

[Serissia]

Sandtigress wrote...
But siding with Branka is not so black and white.  Yes, making golems is a pretty terrible business but maybe Alistair thought that as desperate as things are with just one Warden in Ferelden, the extra firepower of the golems was necessary.  Or maybe he tried to talk Branka down about using the Anvil while not wanting to kill her out of respect for Oghren.

I don't think that either of those would be out of character for Alistair.

Caridin makes it fairly clear how golems are made.  Bhelen + Branka would definitely mean more than just volunteers would be submitted to the anvil.  It might not be black or white but it's a darker shade of grey.  

I suppose useless speculation is useless.  For all we know it could end up like Awakening where there's little more than a dialogue cameo outside of combat.