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[cmessaz]

You go girl! *high five*

[errant_knight]

Sandtigress wrote...

Serissia wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
Really? I don't find that hard to believe at all. Not that he'd turn down help, he wouldn't, but that he'd develop warm feelings toward Morrigan. He might feel a certain pity. He might come to value her as a team member, and feel a duty toward her, but friendship? Not so much. And not a chance of romance, IMO. I'm not saying he might not do the dark ritual, but that really doesn't have anything to do with romance.

My point is I'm trying to explain the drastic personality change.  Regardless if he had to suck it up and lead it shouldn't of altered his base line morality that drastically.  Without someone like Morrigan being very influential to his decision making I don't see that happen. 

Basically I find it hard to believe that w/o the PC as a moral compass Alistair would just suddenly run off slaughter the Dalish, defile the Ashes and side w/ Branka.  I'm not saying all of those things happened but he did at least side w/ Branka.

But siding with Branka is not so black and white.  Yes, making golems is a pretty terrible business but maybe Alistair thought that as desperate as things are with just one Warden in Ferelden, the extra firepower of the golems was necessary.  Or maybe he tried to talk Branka down about using the Anvil while not wanting to kill her out of respect for Oghren.

I don't think that either of those would be out of character for Alistair.

Wait, what? I didn't see that in the announcement--oh, you figure that from the golems.... That's not necessarily the case. It's an AU. Caridin (sp) might not have killed himself. He had golems, too. I don't see any possibility of Alistair being fine with the process of making golems, or the potential abuses of the anvil. If they've just randomly changed his character because they wanted golems..... Well, this could be even worse than it seems.

[Axekix]

Uuuuugh. I just read about the DLC, and was kind of intrigued, until I read about the Morri/Alistair rumors. That's just... sooo wrong.



I almost want to buy it just to kill Alistair horribly now. Maybe I can make Morrigan into a broodmother!?

[KnightofPhoenix]

sylvanaerie wrote...

If you are playing as a darkspawn how will youi know about a romance, why he did anything he did (such as recruiting golems etc) who got recruited, who died etc.

We won't know anything except Ferelden would have probably burned if Alistair was in charge.
Not worth my 5$, I've known that for free.

[Herr Uhl]

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

He hates Morrigan, and doesn't trust her. I just can't believe that he would keep her around, he is an ex-templar and you do sort of have to talk him around the idea of having Morrigan tag along at Flemeth's hut.

I could handle him keeping her around, but not a romance.

What a frightening thought!

Her being around at the siege would indicate a DR at least. Which makes no sense.

[cmessaz]

Errant_knight-I am with you completely. I won't buy this DLC. Too much BS for me.

[Axekix]

errant_knight wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Serissia wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
Really? I don't find that hard to believe at all. Not that he'd turn down help, he wouldn't, but that he'd develop warm feelings toward Morrigan. He might feel a certain pity. He might come to value her as a team member, and feel a duty toward her, but friendship? Not so much. And not a chance of romance, IMO. I'm not saying he might not do the dark ritual, but that really doesn't have anything to do with romance.

My point is I'm trying to explain the drastic personality change.  Regardless if he had to suck it up and lead it shouldn't of altered his base line morality that drastically.  Without someone like Morrigan being very influential to his decision making I don't see that happen. 

Basically I find it hard to believe that w/o the PC as a moral compass Alistair would just suddenly run off slaughter the Dalish, defile the Ashes and side w/ Branka.  I'm not saying all of those things happened but he did at least side w/ Branka.

But siding with Branka is not so black and white.  Yes, making golems is a pretty terrible business but maybe Alistair thought that as desperate as things are with just one Warden in Ferelden, the extra firepower of the golems was necessary.  Or maybe he tried to talk Branka down about using the Anvil while not wanting to kill her out of respect for Oghren.

I don't think that either of those would be out of character for Alistair.

Wait, what? I didn't see that in the announcement--oh, you figure that from the golems.... That's not necessarily the case. It's an AU. Caridin (sp) might not have killed himself. He had golems, too. I don't see any possibility of Alistair being fine with the process of making golems, or the potential abuses of the anvil. If they've just randomly changed his character because they wanted golems..... Well, this could be even worse than it seems.

Well if you take Morrigan with you, she makes her case for keeping the anvil.  Assuming she's with Alistair *shudder* it's not so hard to imagine her manipulating him into it.

[cmessaz]

Herr Uhl wrote...

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

He hates Morrigan, and doesn't trust her. I just can't believe that he would keep her around, he is an ex-templar and you do sort of have to talk him around the idea of having Morrigan tag along at Flemeth's hut.

I could handle him keeping her around, but not a romance.

What a frightening thought!

Her being around at the siege would indicate a DR at least. Which makes no sense.

None of this makes any sense.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

If you are playing as a darkspawn how will youi know about a romance, why he did anything he did (such as recruiting golems etc) who got recruited, who died etc.

We won't know anything except Ferelden would have probably burned if Alistair was in charge.
Not worth my 5$, I've known that for free.

So in your view, leaving Anora and Loghain in charge of the country would have rendered it a smoking ruin.  Good to know. 

The Orlesians would have had to invade just to keep the Blight from spreading further.

Woohoo!  Maybe DA2 will be Return of the Chevaliers.

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...
Well if you take Morrigan with you, she makes her case for keeping the anvil.  Assuming she's with Alistair *shudder* it's not so hard to imagine her manipulating him into it.

I don't think keeping the Anvil is an "evil" choice.  It's a "by all means necessary" choice, and I certainly believe Alistair can become that kind of person under the right circumstances.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

If you are playing as a darkspawn how will youi know about a romance, why he did anything he did (such as recruiting golems etc) who got recruited, who died etc.

We won't know anything except Ferelden would have probably burned if Alistair was in charge.
Not worth my 5$, I've known that for free.

So in your view, leaving Anora and Loghain in charge of the country would have rendered it a smoking ruin.  Good to know. 

The Orlesians would have had to invade just to keep the Blight from spreading further.

Woohoo!  Maybe DA2 will be Return of the Chevaliers.

Of course.
The story is set up as the PC being the only person who can save this pathetic excuse of a country.

[Serissia]

errant_knight wrote...
Wait, what? I didn't see that in the announcement--oh, you figure that from the golems.... That's not necessarily the case. It's an AU. Caridin (sp) might not have killed himself. He had golems, too. I don't see any possibility of Alistair being fine with the process of making golems, or the potential abuses of the anvil. If they've just randomly changed his character because they wanted golems..... Well, this could be even worse than it seems.

Caridin had a few golems (some can die in the battle w/ Branka) with him but not enough for an army.  That was my point previously.  Regardless if Alistair had to suck it up and lead to do something like that would be ooc imo.  I cannot believe that w/o the PC as a moral compass that he would turn into Bregan/Genevieve hybrid.

[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...
Well if you take Morrigan with you, she makes her case for keeping the anvil.  Assuming she's with Alistair *shudder* it's not so hard to imagine her manipulating him into it.

I don't think keeping the Anvil is an "evil" choice.  It's a "by all means necessary" choice, and I certainly believe Alistair can become that kind of person under the right circumstances.

That's exactly what I meant in my earlier post.  It's not that he would enjoy doing it, just that he would see it as what was necessary in order to defeat the Blight, even if he hated every step of the way.

[Herr Uhl]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Of course.
The story is set up as the PC being the only person who can save this pathetic excuse of a country.

Not even Duncan mach 2 could have done it.

[LadyDamodred]

Addai67 wrote...
That reminds me that if I get Awakening in Origins mod, it might be worth it to make my new Dalish an archer/ranger again.  Archery sucks a lot less with Awakening talents, and I also downloaded Far Song for Owen so I could get that bow without killing the sad old man.

Want!  Link please!  I can never let Owen hang himself, so I can never get that bow.  *is still catching up, so ignore this if the link was posted*

[cmessaz]

Can we get back to the Alistair squee now?

[nos_astra]

Serissia wrote...
I cannot believe that w/o the PC as a moral compass that he would turn into Bregan/Genevieve hybrid.

The PC is never Alistair's moral compass. Don't forget that the PC can be a bloodthirsty, selfish lunatic...

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

If you are playing as a darkspawn how will youi know about a romance, why he did anything he did (such as recruiting golems etc) who got recruited, who died etc.

We won't know anything except Ferelden would have probably burned if Alistair was in charge.
Not worth my 5$, I've known that for free.

So in your view, leaving Anora and Loghain in charge of the country would have rendered it a smoking ruin.  Good to know. 

The Orlesians would have had to invade just to keep the Blight from spreading further.

Woohoo!  Maybe DA2 will be Return of the Chevaliers.

Of course.
The story is set up as the PC being the only person who can save this pathetic excuse of a country.

And a story can only have one ending?  Or one beginning or middle, for that matter?

[Axekix]

Serissia wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
Wait, what? I didn't see that in the announcement--oh, you figure that from the golems.... That's not necessarily the case. It's an AU. Caridin (sp) might not have killed himself. He had golems, too. I don't see any possibility of Alistair being fine with the process of making golems, or the potential abuses of the anvil. If they've just randomly changed his character because they wanted golems..... Well, this could be even worse than it seems.

Caridin had a few golems (some can die in the battle w/ Branka) with him but not enough for an army.  That was my point previously.  Regardless if Alistair had to suck it up and lead to do something like that would be ooc imo.  I cannot believe that w/o the PC as a moral compass that he would turn into Bregan/Genevieve hybrid.

Well it's basically Morrigan in the PCs place.  And we all know she's good at what she does

The PC esentially controls Alistair's fate the entire game (hardening him or not, making him king or not) and Morrigan can be just as domineering when she wants to be.  Doesn't seem so far fetched to me.

But augh, I hate the sound of it...

[nos_astra]

Axekix wrote...
The PC esentially controls Alistair's fate the entire game (hardening him or not, making him king or not) and Morrigan can be just as domineering when she wants to be.  Doesn't seem so far fetched to me.

The PC controls the Fate of everything because it is the player character.

Modifié par klarabella, 05 mai 2010 - 08:06 .

[Addai]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
That reminds me that if I get Awakening in Origins mod, it might be worth it to make my new Dalish an archer/ranger again.  Archery sucks a lot less with Awakening talents, and I also downloaded Far Song for Owen so I could get that bow without killing the sad old man.

Want!  Link please!  I can never let Owen hang himself, so I can never get that bow.  *is still catching up, so ignore this if the link was posted*

Here you go.

[errant_knight]

Axekix wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Serissia wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
Really? I don't find that hard to believe at all. Not that he'd turn down help, he wouldn't, but that he'd develop warm feelings toward Morrigan. He might feel a certain pity. He might come to value her as a team member, and feel a duty toward her, but friendship? Not so much. And not a chance of romance, IMO. I'm not saying he might not do the dark ritual, but that really doesn't have anything to do with romance.

My point is I'm trying to explain the drastic personality change.  Regardless if he had to suck it up and lead it shouldn't of altered his base line morality that drastically.  Without someone like Morrigan being very influential to his decision making I don't see that happen. 

Basically I find it hard to believe that w/o the PC as a moral compass Alistair would just suddenly run off slaughter the Dalish, defile the Ashes and side w/ Branka.  I'm not saying all of those things happened but he did at least side w/ Branka.

But siding with Branka is not so black and white.  Yes, making golems is a pretty terrible business but maybe Alistair thought that as desperate as things are with just one Warden in Ferelden, the extra firepower of the golems was necessary.  Or maybe he tried to talk Branka down about using the Anvil while not wanting to kill her out of respect for Oghren.

I don't think that either of those would be out of character for Alistair.

Wait, what? I didn't see that in the announcement--oh, you figure that from the golems.... That's not necessarily the case. It's an AU. Caridin (sp) might not have killed himself. He had golems, too. I don't see any possibility of Alistair being fine with the process of making golems, or the potential abuses of the anvil. If they've just randomly changed his character because they wanted golems..... Well, this could be even worse than it seems.

Well if you take Morrigan with you, she makes her case for keeping the anvil.  Assuming she's with Alistair *shudder* it's not so hard to imagine her manipulating him into it.

Alistair has lines he won't cross. I'm pretty sure that putting people in metal cases and pouring molten lyrium on them while they scream is one of them, not seeing that as a possibility. Given the strength of his reaction to some gameplay choices, I think we can draw a few conclusions about where he would draw lines if gameplay didn't demand that the PC have a free hand.

Modifié par errant_knight, 05 mai 2010 - 08:07 .

[cmessaz]

This mod had to go....

Just for KoP