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[Addai]

Something else about Eamon is that he probably didn't know the first thing about being a father. He himself was a fosterling while his own father was off fighting the rebellion. Connor probably benefited from the mistakes he made with Alistair.

[cmessaz]

Addai67 wrote...

Aw, I really don't understand the Eamon hate. He is a Theirin royalist and a good, honest nobleman IMO- the kind of noble who earns that name. As Jowan tells you, in regards to Connor he would do the right thing even if it cost him his own heir. I don't believe he mistreated Alistair, he was just pulled in different directions and went from being clueless bachelor to slightly whipped husband. Alistair sort of suffered in the midst of all that, but it was more a matter of circumstance than ill intent on Eamon's part IMO. Alistair probably slept with the squires, but he will also say that Eamon took him with him to Denerim and bought him a golem figurine etc. I think Eamon was trying to do his best. Similarly, if it weren't for Eamon, Loghain probably would have gotten away with it all.

As for his comment about Anora, again this is his royalist tendency coming out. But he is not wrong. He saw how in the rebellion, it was the Calenhad legend that drew the country together and inspired them. His family lost a lot, just as Loghain's did. He does not want to see that legacy be wasted.

No Alistair will tell you that he slept in a barn if you choose the right options. Anora will tell you that Eamon kept him away from court. I really liked Eamon at first, like I said. But "hey Cailen where is the heir? Go make a bastard one!" is too much for me.

[errant_knight]

Addai67 wrote...

Aw, I really don't understand the Eamon hate. He is a Theirin royalist and a good, honest nobleman IMO- the kind of noble who earns that name. As Jowan tells you, in regards to Connor he would do the right thing even if it cost him his own heir. I don't believe he mistreated Alistair, he was just pulled in different directions and went from being clueless bachelor to slightly whipped husband. Alistair sort of suffered in the midst of all that, but it was more a matter of circumstance than ill intent on Eamon's part IMO. Alistair probably slept with the squires, but he will also say that Eamon took him with him to Denerim and bought him a golem figurine etc. I think Eamon was trying to do his best. Similarly, if it weren't for Eamon, Loghain probably would have gotten away with it all.

As for his comment about Anora, again this is his royalist tendency coming out. But he is not wrong. He saw how in the rebellion, it was the Calenhad legend that drew the country together and inspired them. His family lost a lot, just as Loghain's did. He does not want to see that legacy be wasted.

Yeah, I don't hate Eamon at all. As far as I can see, he wanted to protect Cailan and keep Alistair from being the figurehead of a rebellion that would certainly have gotten him killed. It sucks that he couldn't think of a way to do that without hurting Alistair, but the Chantry was pretty much the only game in town, and better to be a templar than one of those guys reading prayer in the Chantries or running a notice board. 

He also seems like one of those men who has no idea how to talk to kids or about emotions. He was probably at a complete loss as to how to deal with his wife and Alistair dislikiing each other. The stable thing wasn't ideal, but it's not that odd in  medieval setting. It would have been better if Maric acknowledged Alistair and had him raised as the spare heir, but he didn't, so he bears as much responsibility for the life that Alistair led as Eamon. As far as the world was concerned, Alistair was the bastard child of a maid. People thought it was odd that he was treated as well as he was, or there wouldn't have been gossip to the effect that Eamon was Alistair's father.

[cmessaz]

Just my opinion, of course. Don't hate me for it! As far as the toolset, if anyone wants to download it and if they want I have no problem whatsoever walking people through it, I have just spent hours messing around in it figuring things out, and I'm still learning. But I am happy to share what I know!

[Thor Rand Al]

In my last playthrough I choose the serve the crown boon, which make's me Chancellor even though I am married to Alistair. Reading that letter Eamon sent to Cailan about putting Anora aside just didn't cut it for me as far as trusting Eamon around Alistair. I'd be to afraid that having Eamon constantly whispering in Alistair's ear about producing an heir might set Alistair off and anything could happen. So for many reason's I became chancellor and Eamon went back to Redcliff which to me seemed like it was the best for everyone.



Beside's being a Cousland heir I should definitely know about about politics and ruling and such stuff. And I'd rather Alistair come to me and we work these things out together then have him running off to Eamon.

[cmessaz]

AMEN! I just beat Awakening as Alistair's mistress, and am now even more disappointed.  Either he didn't take being king very seriously, or the endgame is very bugged. I'm willing to go with either.

Modifié par cmessaz, 11 avril 2010 - 12:12 .

[sylvanaerie]

LOL Mine said my girl went back to court and gave up being WC...Guess that pissy expression meant my Cousland girl was so over that role...But then she disappears a couple years later...alone...

[cmessaz]

Ok well aparantly Alistair and I took off together. This is the same ending I got with my elf when he died during the final battle, he and I run off together and disappear. Hmmm, I guess he decided not to be king after all. WTF! I did return to court with my HNF queen, but I guess he runs away with his mistress.

[sylvanaerie]

about the toolset...not sure what I am doing with it, is it supposed to say "Demo" when I open it?  Actually it says "Demo Tutorial" on it...not sure what to do with it, clicking around doesn't do much for me.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 11 avril 2010 - 12:31 .

[errant_knight]

cmessaz wrote...

AMEN! I just beat Awakening as Alistair's mistress, and am now even more disappointed.  Either he didn't take being king very seriously, or the endgame is very bugged. I'm willing to go with either.

There's nothing there that says either of them went willingly....

sylvanaerie wrote...

about the toolset...not sure what I am doing with it, is it supposed to say "Demo" when I open it?  Actually it says "Demo Tutorial" on it...not sure what to do with it, clicking around doesn't do much for me.

You need to use some of the tutorials that you find online just to get a handle on what's going on. There's a steep learning curve, and examples are definitely the way to go.

Modifié par errant_knight, 11 avril 2010 - 12:38 .

[Raiil]

sylvanaerie wrote...

about the toolset...not sure what I am doing with it, is it supposed to say "Demo" when I open it?  Actually it says "Demo Tutorial" on it...not sure what to do with it, clicking around doesn't do much for me.

Go to files, select manage modules, and switch to single player. Everything should open up.

[cmessaz]

Yes I had that trouble at first, you just have to open the single player module. File-manage module-singleplayer-open. Then for the conversations click on the conversation bubble thingy on the pallette to the right, click followers, then Alistair or whoever you are after and open alistair_main. Can't edit without checking it out, but you can read through it.

Modifié par cmessaz, 11 avril 2010 - 12:45 .

[sylvanaerie]

I get "Unable to load stage" when I select Alistair (for example).

Actually thanks for trying Cmessaz.  My brain is kinda overloaded having been up too long.  Think I will just chill and do some reading for a bit.  I'll try puttering around with it tomorrow. Maybe it will click if my mind is fresher

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 11 avril 2010 - 12:59 .

[Thor Rand Al]

D/Ling the toolset now and all I got to say, what a pain lmao

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Modifié par Thor Rand Al, 11 avril 2010 - 01:00 .

[cmessaz]

Huh, I've never had that problem. Did you click on the conversation bubble in the pallette? Maybe you are trying to open something else. You do have the single player module loaded, right? It should say single player on the top of the window. I did have to reinstall once cause I interrupted it while setup was running at the end. Maybe you'll need to uninstall it.

[cmessaz]

Here is a link to download a list of Alistair's lines. If you do it right, you can even play the voice over. This doesn't have every single line but it has most, and it also doesn't tell you how to get to that particular line. But it's a start...
http://social.biowar...m/project/2449/
And make sure to download all 3, easiest way to do it is to unzip them into the same folder, open the excell and you should be able to play the lines.

Modifié par cmessaz, 11 avril 2010 - 01:09 .

[Bratt1204]

cmessaz wrote...

AMEN! I just beat Awakening as Alistair's mistress, and am now even more disappointed.  Either he didn't take being king very seriously, or the endgame is very bugged. I'm willing to go with either.

What happened at your end game?

[Thalorin1919]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

In my last playthrough I choose the serve the crown boon, which make's me Chancellor even though I am married to Alistair. Reading that letter Eamon sent to Cailan about putting Anora aside just didn't cut it for me as far as trusting Eamon around Alistair. I'd be to afraid that having Eamon constantly whispering in Alistair's ear about producing an heir might set Alistair off and anything could happen. So for many reason's I became chancellor and Eamon went back to Redcliff which to me seemed like it was the best for everyone.

Beside's being a Cousland heir I should definitely know about about politics and ruling and such stuff. And I'd rather Alistair come to me and we work these things out together then have him running off to Eamon.

I dont think Alistair would listen to him anyways, considering he is hardened and married you. Plus I dont think Eamon brought up the subject after like 3-5 years, where he was probably like "Soooo....how is the babymaking coming along?"

But I can understand you I guess. It's something you two will have to face soon, because I saw somewhere here on the forums where David Gaider said that it was impossible for two grey wardens to produce a child. So Alistair is going to have to bore a child through another noble lady or something.

But playing as a guy, I always keep Eamon there as Chancellor. I dont want my GW to get more involved in Fereldence politics then he already has. Plus I figure Eamon would make for a better Chancellor anyways, and plus Teagan would become the new Arl. Only way I will get into politics is if something were to happen to Fergus, then I would have to take up the Teryn. But a hardened Alistair and Eamon would do fine in the long run I believe. It would be an unhardened Alistair and Eamon that would bother me, but I never put a unhardened Alistair on the throne, so its all gooood.

[Gilsa]

I caved in, went to my Landsmeet save, picked the bad dialogue persuade choices and had to mass-fight Loghain, refused the terms of the duel repeatedly to the point where Alistair said it had to be done and he volunteered for it. He crowns himself king and then acts like it's my fault that I somehow made him king (hee hee) and starts to break up with me. I throw myself at Alistair, nooo, let me be your harlot, it's all I ever wanted out of life! OK, so he keeps me on and walks away. I save the game and import it into Awakening. I clear quickly, not bothering to loot anything because this game is "just to see" what would have happened on a parallel universe somewhere. I'm trying to not melt when he says ... "Are you alright, love? You weren't hurt, were you?' And then my dwarf has this smile on her face as he leans in to say (kiss?) goodbye. I'm thinking to myself, "Dammit, be strong. BE STRONG. You will find drunk Alistair one day! YOU CANNOT LET THE OLD GOD LIVE. THINK OF YOUR PEOPLE!!"



The first picture is my "drunk Alistair" ending where this is the last time they're together before Landsmeet. Happier times not ahead. Second picture is my test ending with Alistair as king and my dwarf as his mistress. She looks so happy. I'm going to keep that picture and just look at it once in a while. Maybe ponder a new game where she agrees to the ritual. I just have a very hard time justifying the ritual as a dwarf, especially as a dwarf noble.

[nranola]

Woah. This thread really took off while I was asleep. You girls are crazy! xD And I mean that in a good way.

To add to the discussion about Eamon... I never made Alistair king in my previous playthroughs, but now that I did I was able to compare how Eamon acted on both instances. On one hand I think he's just being a strong political figure on the outside, but genuinely cares for Alistair's well-being (he did take the time to fix Alistair's amulet and everything); but on the other I get the feeling he's grabbing for power. Or maybe just really intent on preserving the Theirin bloodline? I dunno, I have mixed feelings about him after playing through Queen Cousland.

And for the sake of keeping the love alive... here you go! It's one of the better screenies I have of him. I dunno about you guys, but I think he looks adorable in this one. <3



Now that I've had a good night's rest I'll be heading off to Awakening for that Alistair cameo. If I get decent screenshots I'll post some here~

[Thalorin1919]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Ok last picture I promise lol.








You mean that smile, she was definitely amused.

I love your female PC, she is verrryyyy cute.

[cmessaz]

Bratt1204 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

AMEN! I just beat Awakening as Alistair's mistress, and am now even more disappointed.  Either he didn't take being king very seriously, or the endgame is very bugged. I'm willing to go with either.

What happened at your end game?

We run off together and disappear, same as when he died killing the archdemon. The only way to get continuity is to marry him and make him king, or don't make him king and run off together. Too bad the game doesn't explain where he is, but at least you get an accurate ending. 

[cmessaz]

Gilsa, seriously how did you make such a good looking dwarf? I sure can't do it.

[Thalorin1919]

nranola wrote...

Woah. This thread really took off while I was asleep. You girls are crazy! xD And I mean that in a good way.

To add to the discussion about Eamon... I never made Alistair king in my previous playthroughs, but now that I did I was able to compare how Eamon acted on both instances. On one hand I think he's just being a strong political figure on the outside, but genuinely cares for Alistair's well-being (he did take the time to fix Alistair's amulet and everything); but on the other I get the feeling he's grabbing for power. Or maybe just really intent on preserving the Theirin bloodline? I dunno, I have mixed feelings about him after playing through Queen Cousland.

And for the sake of keeping the love alive... here you go! It's one of the better screenies I have of him. I dunno about you guys, but I think he looks adorable in this one. <3



Now that I've had a good night's rest I'll be heading off to Awakening for that Alistair cameo. If I get decent screenshots I'll post some here~

I just have the feeling that Eamon is a big time royalist. The Theirin line is what united Ferelden in the first place, and its what united Ferelden against the Orlesian occupation. So he is just very determined to make sure Alistair gains the throne to continue the Theirin bloodline, which I believe in other peoples eyes it looks like he is grabbing for power. If he was REALLY power hungry, he would've not even mention Alistair at all and just make a run for the throne himself due to his popularity I think.

[cmessaz]

Like he said, it would make him LOOK power hungry, no better than Loghain. "Eamon would have a heart attack" line in Awakening is what gets me.

And thanks for keeping the love alive!!!

Modifié par cmessaz, 11 avril 2010 - 03:05 .