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[LadyDamodred]

cmessaz wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Oh, I think it might be b/c of the conflict with ZDF. Lemme see now.

Yeah, ZDF has a seperate epilogue file.

No, it's not working.  This is weird.  It worked before.  I even regot the file and everything.  It's not removing the 'Queen Anora's discomfort' part from my slide.

[cmessaz]

Lady Jess wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Serissia wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
Yeah thats what I thought. Personally I am not so sure I want them to continue the warden's story. Awakening doesn't inspire much confidence from me.

One of the biggest problems aside from the dialogue change and the abrupt ending in Awakening was the fact that there isn't enough infomation given about The Mother or The Arcitect.  Reading TC made Awakening vastly more coherent for me.

See, thats what I have heard. So after I read the books, then I should be able to  understand it more. I didn't feel educated enough about the Architect, so I sided with him and I still don't know if that is the right decision.

I spared him once and justice tried to kill me...lol

My second time though, I killed him and the mother. Dude already caused the blight I had just finished ending, no way was he getting a second try:D

As for the assault, he can speak, and reason, but he he doesn't know enough about how humans/gray wardens think and feel to accurately gauge their response to the visit, he took a risk, and it didn't work. Much like he took the risk that started the blight.

No thats what he wants you to think. The talking darkspawn says it ended just as he predicted. I now think he is a liar.

[cmessaz]

LadyDamodred wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Oh, I think it might be b/c of the conflict with ZDF. Lemme see now.

Yeah, ZDF has a seperate epilogue file.

No, it's not working.  This is weird.  It worked before.  I even regot the file and everything.  It's not removing the 'Queen Anora's discomfort' part from my slide.

Can you send me the char? I don't have any that far in.

[Lady Jess]

cmessaz wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Serissia wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
Yeah thats what I thought. Personally I am not so sure I want them to continue the warden's story. Awakening doesn't inspire much confidence from me.

One of the biggest problems aside from the dialogue change and the abrupt ending in Awakening was the fact that there isn't enough infomation given about The Mother or The Arcitect.  Reading TC made Awakening vastly more coherent for me.

See, thats what I have heard. So after I read the books, then I should be able to  understand it more. I didn't feel educated enough about the Architect, so I sided with him and I still don't know if that is the right decision.

I spared him once and justice tried to kill me...lol

My second time though, I killed him and the mother. Dude already caused the blight I had just finished ending, no way was he getting a second try:D

As for the assault, he can speak, and reason, but he he doesn't know enough about how humans/gray wardens think and feel to accurately gauge their response to the visit, he took a risk, and it didn't work. Much like he took the risk that started the blight.

No thats what he wants you to think. The talking darkspawn says it ended just as he predicted. I now think he is a liar.

Well he can't lie if he's dead, and I kill him every time...lol well except maybe on Tess, she spared Loghain after all:devil:

[cmessaz]

Yeah, I was just uneducated about him the one time I spared him. No one attacked me when I sided with him. I lost approval, but I had everyone at friendly and always make sure to have a ton of cunning points and persuade all the way up.

[LadyDamodred]

cmessaz wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Oh, I think it might be b/c of the conflict with ZDF. Lemme see now.

Yeah, ZDF has a seperate epilogue file.

No, it's not working.  This is weird.  It worked before.  I even regot the file and everything.  It's not removing the 'Queen Anora's discomfort' part from my slide.

Can you send me the char? I don't have any that far in.

Will do.  Lemme zip and I'll send it over.

Also, Tamlen head!  *wants*

[errant_knight]

cmessaz wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

See, what gets me about the Architect, is that he says that he went to the vigil to "talk" and did not anticipate the warden's seeing that as an assault. My issue is what the talking darkspawn dude says when you bump in to him on top of the keep. He says "It has ended just as he predicted."

Lady-We tweaked the grey warden ones too, remember? I forgot about that, and didn't add it to the project page. And now I can't remember what was tweaked. I know it wasn't too major.

The architect is a liar, liar, liar. He also says that he didn't kill the Orlesian wardens, and yet we find one in the mine, beaten to the point of death.

Ahah! Good point! I was suspicios of him because of what I said earlier, but now I think siding with him might really be a bad thing.

I think that's pretty much a given. We know that he plans to continue feeding warden blood to darkspawn. Where's he going to get that blood? And how much of it--enough for all the darkspawn? That's a lot of blood. And what if he decides that's not feasible, and he'd better keep trying with the archdemons? Either way, it's bad.

And that's not even getting into what all those self-aware darkspawn might try to do with their new free will....

Modifié par errant_knight, 06 mai 2010 - 05:43 .

[Serissia]

cmessaz wrote...
See, what gets me about the Architect, is that he says that he went to the vigil to "talk" and did not anticipate the warden's seeing that as an assault. My issue is what the talking darkspawn dude says when you bump in to him on top of the keep. He says "It has ended just as he predicted.".

Quick low down on The Achitect w/o rly spoiling too much.

- All the knowledge he has aquired regarding humans, elves and dwarves has come from ancient tomes.  Basically books that were left in the abandoned Thaigs. 

- He assumes a lot.  He assumes his plans will work.  He assumes that people will be able to grasp the full extent of his plans and see that they are necessary. 

[Lady Jess]

cmessaz wrote...

Yeah, I was just uneducated about him the one time I spared him. No one attacked me when I sided with him. I lost approval, but I had everyone at friendly and always make sure to have a ton of cunning points and persuade all the way up.

Yeah my poor mage had pretty low cunning. Now I make sure they get at least 30, and max persuasion out.

[cmessaz]

So, he disappears at the end of Awakening to wait until the wardens have built their numbers back up. And I don't recall him saying that the freed darkspawn would never come to the surface to take over the world in HIS name. Hmmm, possible plot for DA2?

[Serissia]

errant_knight wrote...
The architect is a liar, liar, liar. He also says that he didn't kill the Orlesian wardens, and yet we find one in the mine, beaten to the point of death.

He didn't lie... he never attacked that man.  If someone tries to escape and gets themselves killed he views it as not being his fault.  He has limited control on darkspawn that are not yet awakened. 

[tmp7704]

errant_knight wrote...

The architect is a liar, liar, liar. He also says that he didn't kill the Orlesian wardens, and yet we find one in the mine, beaten to the point of death.

The notes you can find in his lab also make it pretty clear he's concerned only with is own kind and not to be trusted -- he explicitly states that he's letting Velanna's sister believe he'll free her if she cooperates, in order to ensure her cooperation. And he's not bothered in the slightest by his second-in-command running social experiments on humans/elves (the whole setup that caused Velanna's rampage in the first place)

Not to mention he only seeks alliance because alone he's too weak to defeat the Mother, and he only wants to defeat her in the first place because he believes she's out to get him specifically. Fairly sure if it wasn't for that he'd be perfectly happy to let her breed and rampage across the countryside freely.

[cmessaz]

But I think he is lying about not anticipating that the wardens would view his aproach as an attack, because of what that talking darkspawn says. BTW-What is his name?

[sylvanaerie]

Withered

[LadyDamodred]

cmessaz: Sent.

Serissia: Why you deny me Tamlen? ( ._.) Must I beg?

[SurelyForth]

cmessaz wrote...

But I think he is lying about not anticipating that the wardens would view his aproach as an attack, because of what that talking darkspawn says. BTW-What is his name?

The Whithered? He's the one from the beginning.

[cmessaz]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Withered

Oh yeah! Thanks syl. (and Surely_forth) 

tmp- I have never been good at collecting codex, but perhaps I should start.

Modifié par cmessaz, 06 mai 2010 - 05:49 .

[Lady Jess]

cmessaz wrote...

So, he disappears at the end of Awakening to wait until the wardens have built their numbers back up. And I don't recall him saying that the freed darkspawn would never come to the surface to take over the world in HIS name. Hmmm, possible plot for DA2?

Possible. It's also possible that with him dead, there are still others talking and thinking enabled that would do it. Like I said, I think Awakening was an introduction of alot of things, maybe it wasn't done real well. But it did serve that purpose. And if sentient darkspawn do form up and attack, who is going to be the only one that can deal with them? You, the warden commander that has experienced them.  This could also bring Morrigan back into the picture if they sense the soul of her old god child. Could be a higher stakes Isolde/Connor scenario. Of course if the child is involved, then likely so is Alistair. Hunt down the wandering drunk, help the kiing deal with this, both as wardens must face it. Lots of possibilities set up between Origins and Awakening.

[Serissia]

LadyDamodred wrote...
Serissia: Why you deny me Tamlen? ( ._.) Must I beg?

Sorry, I didn't see you ask.  I'm still hung over.  PM an e-mail I can reach you at and I'll send the file over.

[cmessaz]

Do I dare get excited? I am afraid to. I still don't know about them continuing our warden's story though. That has the potential to ****** off a lot of people.

[sylvanaerie]

Not gonna get into a discussion on the Architect. PC's job as a GW is to kill/stop the darkspawn. Architect is a darkspawn, a talking one but still a darkspawn. Kill it quick before it multiplies.

[cmessaz]

Amen syl. I'll be back in a few. Looking forward to stripping Duncan for the joining ritual.

Modifié par cmessaz, 06 mai 2010 - 05:53 .

[Lady Jess]

cmessaz wrote...

Do I dare get excited? I am afraid to. I still don't know about them continuing our warden's story though. That has the potential to ****** off a lot of people.

I think more would be pissed if we couldn't continue them. Bioware did right by both sides with that at least in Awakening.

Want to continue your warden...ok import it.

You warden is dead? ok, start an Orlesian instead, or handwave it and import it. Your choice.

Want to do both? go for it.

Best way to do it.

[Lady Jess]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Not gonna get into a discussion on the Architect. PC's job as a GW is to kill/stop the darkspawn. Architect is a darkspawn, a talking one but still a darkspawn. Kill it quick before it multiplies.

And put his robe on Anders!!!!

[Serissia]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Not gonna get into a discussion on the Architect. PC's job as a GW is to kill/stop the darkspawn. Architect is a darkspawn, a talking one but still a darkspawn. Kill it quick before it multiplies.

I agree, killing the Arcitect is the right thing to do.  The Wardens should never of left him or the darkspawn unchecked for 20 some odd years.  The surviving Wardens, Duncan encluded know that the darkspawn are starting to amass even then.