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[Lady Jess]

Ok, time to make a HNF warrior....again. Lets see how this goes. I just don't know that I can play through this, and not do the in love/queen version. I WANT to do the you S.O.B. you LIED that's IT, and go to Zev but I don't think I can. Height thing >.<



But if I don't then...it's just another HNF queen ending:(

[mellifera]

cmessaz wrote...

yukidama wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Yukidama, our elves look strangely identicle.

They could be sisters! Hahahaha.

I thought I had changed things up enough that they wouldn't be too similar, but the shots are still pretty close. And I'm not happy with my other PCs at the moment. I'm sort of waiting to see what serissia does before creating anything new.

They're just long lost alternate universe twins

She also started out with the Morrigan hairstyle too.

Modifié par yukidama, 07 mai 2010 - 06:41 .

[cmessaz]

Lady Jess wrote...

Ok, time to make a HNF warrior....again. Lets see how this goes. I just don't know that I can play through this, and not do the in love/queen version. I WANT to do the you S.O.B. you LIED that's IT, and go to Zev but I don't think I can. Height thing >.

But if I don't then...it's just another HNF queen ending:(

I can't play a HNF and not marry Alistair. My current playthrough I am marrying him after breaking it off for the king reasons. It does change things up a bit.

[cmessaz]

yukidama- Yes! That must be it. She is my Dalish mage. I haven't gotten far with her, because I have been just starting different characters with my DLC disabled, so I don't have to go through the process of checking and unchecking crap everytime I start a new PC.

[Addai]

yukidama wrote...

I dunno, the Katriel descriptions bother me because they remind me of some of the crappiest of fanfics (back when I used to read fic). The overabundant descriptions of how beautiful and whatever Katriel is (and not only from Maric's POV) just remind me of Mary Sue fic lol.

I see.  Well, in an interview that's linked in General, Gaider talks about how rushed he was to write both of the novels.  You can see it in TST more, I think, especially where he has to basically hand-wave the whole middle part where Rowan and Loghain are running around the countryside together.

But, if he stops writing descriptions like that, he might also stop writing such tender, heart-wrenching love stories.  So... shhh.  LOL

[cmessaz]

Like Alistair
I don't like what I am hearing for DA2. Everything is speculation at this point, of course. I still am undecided about whether I want them to continue our warden or just start something new. Part of me thinks that continuing or PC has the potential to be a disasterous story.

Modifié par cmessaz, 07 mai 2010 - 06:45 .

[Addai]

cmessaz wrote...
 I don't like what I am hearing for DA2.

Like what?

Is testosterone going to win out?

[cmessaz]

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
 I don't like what I am hearing for DA2.

Like what?

Is testosterone going to win out?

Just about story continuity. Everyone wants different things it seems. As for the testosterone, I think they are just happy to hack and slash, so they should go play Mortal Kombat, or Resident evil or something and leave us alone.

[Lady Jess]

cmessaz wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Ok, time to make a HNF warrior....again. Lets see how this goes. I just don't know that I can play through this, and not do the in love/queen version. I WANT to do the you S.O.B. you LIED that's IT, and go to Zev but I don't think I can. Height thing >.

But if I don't then...it's just another HNF queen ending:(

I can't play a HNF and not marry Alistair. My current playthrough I am marrying him after breaking it off for the king reasons. It does change things up a bit.

You mean in the conversation after YOU initiate the tent, and he confesses his feelings? Yeah, I can't make myself say "but you're going to be king" because I'm a noble, and know it doesn't matter for her. I can do that on a mage, or an elf but not a human noble.

[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...


But, if he stops writing descriptions like that, he might also stop writing such tender, heart-wrenching love stories.  So... shhh.  LOL

I don't know - Fiona never suffered from that problem, I don't think, and the honey-colored curls were still present in TC. And the end of TC is waaaaay more heart-wrenching, to me, than anything in TST.

I suspect that Katriel was intended to be something of a Mary Sue character, at least in Maric's eyes and maybe even Rowan's.  Maric idolized her, Rowan wanted to be in her place, and Loghain, well, Loghain was Loghain.  I find that there's a pretty amazing lack of description for some of the characters - it took me an hour to find out what color Rowan's eyes were (gray) and I still haven't found a spot that specifically mentions Maric's eye color in the books, at least.

Most description seems fairly vague - Dunan is dark-haired, dark eyed, as is Fiona, Rowan is also described as "dark-eyed" in most spots and Loghain as "pale-eyed".  But only Katriel has honey-colored curls and green, green eyes.  It doesn't seem to be a "problem" specifically of Gaider's writing, but maybe more deliberate.

Or I could just be full of it.    That's always a possibility!

[mellifera]

Addai67 wrote...

yukidama wrote...

I dunno, the Katriel descriptions bother me because they remind me of some of the crappiest of fanfics (back when I used to read fic). The overabundant descriptions of how beautiful and whatever Katriel is (and not only from Maric's POV) just remind me of Mary Sue fic lol.

I see.  Well, in an interview that's linked in General, Gaider talks about how rushed he was to write both of the novels.  You can see it in TST more, I think, especially where he has to basically hand-wave the whole middle part where Rowan and Loghain are running around the countryside together.

But, if he stops writing descriptions like that, he might also stop writing such tender, heart-wrenching love stories.  So... shhh.  LOL

Well, I'm just glad the game doesn't require descriptions :x I love his characters and the dialogue is great, but sometimes he gets a bit... caught up describing things. Then again, I can definitely understand that writing is no easy process.

[Lady Jess]

cmessaz wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
 I don't like what I am hearing for DA2.

Like what?

Is testosterone going to win out?

Just about story continuity. Everyone wants different things it seems. As for the testosterone, I think they are just happy to hack and slash, so they should go play Mortal Kombat, or Resident evil or something and leave us alone.

You have to ignore speculation. It's worse than gossip and spins out of control too much. Even when we do it in this thread, it's slanted towards what we want to see, just as whoever is speculating anything else is slanting it toward what they want to see. I do want the option to continue my wardens though. Hopefully they'll set it up like awakenings so you have the choice. I figure if I can find my own continuity in Awakening, I can do it again.

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...

I suspect that Katriel was intended to be something of a Mary Sue character, at least in Maric's eyes and maybe even Rowan's. 

This is what I meant, that she is intentionally shown as an idealization.  But you're right that that is not only in Maric's eyes, also Rowan's.

I find that there's a pretty amazing lack of description for some of the characters - it took me an hour to find out what color Rowan's eyes were (gray) and I still haven't found a spot that specifically mentions Maric's eye color in the books, at least.

Most description seems fairly vague - Dunan is dark-haired, dark eyed, as is Fiona, Rowan is also described as "dark-eyed" in most spots and Loghain as "pale-eyed".  But only Katriel has honey-colored curls and green, green eyes.  It doesn't seem to be a "problem" specifically of Gaider's writing, but maybe more deliberate.

Some writers do intentionally leave out physical descriptors.  Try finding a description of Ender in any of Orson Scott Card's books.  You have to infer that Ender is blond from something his sister says, at least from what I have read of those (which is the first few books).

Modifié par Addai67, 07 mai 2010 - 06:52 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sandtigress wrote...
Most description seems fairly vague - Dunan is dark-haired, dark eyed, as is Fiona, Rowan is also described as "dark-eyed" in most spots and Loghain as "pale-eyed".  But only Katriel has honey-colored curls and green, green eyes.  It doesn't seem to be a "problem" specifically of Gaider's writing, but maybe more deliberate.

Actually, Loghain's eyes are described as cold steel blue and unsettling.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...
Most description seems fairly vague - Dunan is dark-haired, dark eyed, as is Fiona, Rowan is also described as "dark-eyed" in most spots and Loghain as "pale-eyed".  But only Katriel has honey-colored curls and green, green eyes.  It doesn't seem to be a "problem" specifically of Gaider's writing, but maybe more deliberate.

Actually, Loghain's eyes are described as cold steel blue and unsettling.

Yes, or icy blue.

[Sandtigress]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...
Most description seems fairly vague - Dunan is dark-haired, dark eyed, as is Fiona, Rowan is also described as "dark-eyed" in most spots and Loghain as "pale-eyed".  But only Katriel has honey-colored curls and green, green eyes.  It doesn't seem to be a "problem" specifically of Gaider's writing, but maybe more deliberate.

Actually, Loghain's eyes are described as cold steel blue and unsettling.

Oh, I know that's there, but when I was skimming his eyes tended to be described simply as pale - he didn't continually bring it back to "cold steel blue" the way he does with Katriel's green, green eyes.

Same thing with Maric's - I never found his actual eye color, but that doesn't mean it's not written somewhere.  It's just not repeated so often that it was easy for me to find.

[mellifera]

At this point I need the SparkNotes for TST. I just want to get to TC already! Jeez.

@cmessaz, my character (also Dalish mage) used to have that hairstyle (and a different tattoo). I ~handwaved~ her tattoo change, lol.

Modifié par yukidama, 07 mai 2010 - 07:02 .

[cmessaz]

Yukidama, holy crap. They are twins.

[cmessaz]

My new disapproval seal

[cmessaz]

I guess people are scared of Sub-Zero. So, on to Alistair

Or nude Bannhammer

[nranola]

Sandtigress wrote...

I don't know - Fiona never suffered from that problem, I don't think, and the honey-colored curls were still present in TC.

I remembered reading a "honeyed curls" line in The Calling, although it wasn't mentioned as frequently. Just one or two lines, I think.

[mellifera]

Disapproving Anders disapproves.



(Srsly, they couldn't at least change his eye color or something? Jeez. I mean, I love hazel eyes and all but this is a bit much.)

[Sandtigress]

nranola wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

I don't know - Fiona never suffered from that problem, I don't think, and the honey-colored curls were still present in TC.

I remembered reading a "honeyed curls" line in The Calling, although it wasn't mentioned as frequently. Just one or two lines, I think.

I mean to say that the honeyed curls weren't about Fiona - her descriptions were few and far between and seemed to mostly involve her clothes.    That is to say that over-description of a potential love interest in and of itself is not a problem that Gaider suffers from - it seems particular to Katriel.

[nranola]

Oh, wait... I misread. Nevermind me then LOL! I really should be getting some sleep. xD

[Sandtigress]

nranola wrote...

Oh, wait... I misread. Nevermind me then LOL! I really should be getting some sleep. xD

*casts Sleep3 on nranola* 


ETA: Oh nos!!  Someone put a picture up for me!  I swear I get a freakisly unnatural number of top-of-the-page posts for someone who's a console player!!

Modifié par Sandtigress, 07 mai 2010 - 07:38 .