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[cmessaz]

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Maricstair looks too old. Not that I have a problem with older men, but he looks older than his character is supposed to be. Now if Gaider intended him to be older, then yes, I would stick Duncan's beard on him. But that hairstyle would still be a no go.

Scruff is good for 21 year old Alistair, though.

We've covered this.    There are no complexion changes to the mod.  If he looks older, it's only because vanilla Alistair will look older with longer hair and scruffyface.  That is not changing the character.  He's still 21.  He's a 21 year-old who looks (a little) older than his age.  You can't say having long hair with braids is "wrong" while having a ponytail is not.  If you're going to change his hairstyle and facial hair at all, then any change is game.  If it's just not your preference, that's your thing.

Well, part of my comment was in good fun. I do not mean to impose my views on others. And, I didn't exactly say that the braids are "wrong" in this comment I said that I didn't like it.  A pony tail isn't my thing either, but it looks ok on him to me. I don't play that way regardless, I just use yukidama's scruff mod. Vanilla Alistair is fine by me. I basically meant to say that yes if I didn't mind over-morphing Alistair, I would add a beard like Duncan's, because of your previous post about sucking on a beard.  Maybe I worded it wrong? At any rate there is no need to argue. People know where I stand, and you guys can post Maricstair all you want! I just won't look!

Modifié par cmessaz, 08 mai 2010 - 05:12 .

[SurelyForth]

I'm glad all you ladies enjoy playing elves so much. The CEF origin makes me sad and angry (and I can't romance Alistair with one, no matter how hard I try) and I would rather scratch my own eye then play through as a Dalish right now. Besides a brief flirtation with CEF #1, Ali gets no elven loving in my games. He's fine with it, but Maricstair seems a bit bummed...

Modifié par SurelyForth, 08 mai 2010 - 04:42 .

[Sarah1281]

No EMF?

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

THIS! I'm sure she'll soften a little towards humans, and all that jazz in her journey. But I am so tired of playing this game as a goody two shoes. I don't intend to be pure evil on wheels here, but good lord what kind of relationship spends the entire period walking on eggshells, keeping their actions in line with some guys expectations? To me, THAT is subordinate. I just once want to end the game, with Alistair beside me, having EARNED our relationship, road bumps, hairy moles, warts, and all.

My problem isn't that the character might go around randomly killing people, it's the impication that something is wrong with her so she needs a man to 'tame' her and then they can be happy together.

I don't really care for the overly sensitive type of feminism, and in this case I believe it's a bit overly sensitive.  If someone is angry and lashing out, then a calm, tender person is going to tame them if they're able to earn their trust and challenge their thinking.  It need have no sexist connotation unless you attribute such to it.

In this case, I believe Merilsell is also German?  And thus might be given slack for wording.  But again, even in the original I don't see anything wrong with the statement.  We all know what she means.

[SurelyForth]

Sarah1281 wrote...

No EMF?

No, for the shallowest reason of all- I don't like the way the Tevinter style robes look on elves. The neck part is so high that it makes me sympathy choke a little.

[cmessaz]

Templar Alistair.

[Lady Jess]

Addai67 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

ETA: she also loved Tamlen. I've only played one Dalish and I rshed the game to get the ending, so I missed pretty much everything. esc key got worn out in conversations, didn't talk to anyone in camp, bad playthrough...lol

She got -1 for saying "maybe we're just smarter than you" about women in the Grey Wardens, and the big -10 was for saying she doesn't want to be a Grey Warden.  I might go back and re-do that, though, because it's really intended to mean you've been conscripted.  In my DEF's case, she protested a little, but was not going to let the shemlen see her whine and cry when her keeper was telling her it was her duty.  She just figures (much like my city elf did) that she'll die soon and all will be well.

Something from my previous Dalish character's game.

Aww! I let mine get conscripted, fought every step until Duncan said he'd drag me kicking and screaming. I think I'm done doing bad things til Lothering now...lol I just want their road to be rockier than my other girls. More like my own relationship I think. Where it just isn't all sunshine and roses, and he has to put up with alot of thorns while she needs to learn some lessons in getting along with humans. I'm still fully threatening that priest however.

dying soldier help!
Lyra: we don't have time for this.
Alistair: Don't have time? What, do you have an important meeting somewhere?
Lyra: He's already dead...see? (stabbity stab)
Alistair:Does the word "insane" mean anything to you?
Lyra: I prefer Ruthless.
Alistair:

[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...
He's fine with it, but Maricstair seems a bit bummed...

LOL!  Sad Maricstair!

The elven origins are my favorite, it's true, and elven lore in general.  I don't understand why people say that the Dalish origin is not interesting or touching.  It seems a little brief to me, but I suppose they are all the same length really.

The $%@! game made me cry again.



Those who impugn Maricstair by comparisons to Cailan are sooo doing Alistair a disservice.  I just wish Cailan wasn't so damn nice to you when you try to insult him.  Repeatedly.  Rotten shem!

Modifié par Addai67, 08 mai 2010 - 04:51 .

[Merilsell]

Addai67 wrote...

Merilsell wrote...

Excuse me while I exclaim in squee. Finally someone understand my appeal with FemDalish elves and Alistair. And I don't mean the eyelashing oh you are so right- Alistair giggling types, but more the STAB STAB KILL- triggerhappy, sassy sorts of DEF, who make Alistair exclaim in horror at her actions and give him a headache more than once. Threatening the revered mother in Lothering was never more fun Afterwards he goes RAAAWR and she is equally b.itching back.

Heh, this is part of why I love the DEF-Alistair pairing as well.  I'm starting another myself, having just replayed my first DEF's game prior to my current mage character.  It is the very prickly corners and juxtapositions that make it interesting, the same way the mage-templar tensions make it exciting.

And a bit of a challenge.  I'm in Ostagar and just got -11 on my first conversation with Alistair.  I don't think my DEF will be quite as fiery as yours, but I RPed her as having been lovers with Tamlen, so she is hurting and angry.

Oh yes it is in fact. I mean at the time we left Lothering even Morrigan
liked my PC more than Alistair---without having ever spoken to her. Heh. Alistair was not really happy with her actions and the minus points kept rushing in. It took quite the time to come to terms with her and she with him. I think the right term to use here is to overcome the barriers to find an understanding for each other. They are the last two Grey Warden in Ferelden so they have somehow work together, liked or not.That is what makes it so delicious to me, anyhow. Glad I'm not the only
one. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie] 

My PC and Tamlen were best bud's not lovers ...but she suffers from a heavy case of survivor guilt and shut off her heart/feelings because of that. That she is regulary distrustful /hating toward humans isn't a helpful issue either.

However, I think I mesh my playthrough with my FF together too much now, when talking about it. So I'm biased.

[mellifera]

SurelyForth wrote...

I'm glad all you ladies enjoy playing elves so much. The CEF origin makes me sad and angry (and I can't romance Alistair with one, no matter how hard I try) and I would rather scratch my own eye then play through as a Dalish right now. Besides a brief flirtation with CEF #1, Ali gets no elven loving in my games. He's fine with it, but Maricstair seems a bit bummed...

<_<

[Sarah1281]

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

THIS! I'm sure she'll soften a little towards humans, and all that jazz in her journey. But I am so tired of playing this game as a goody two shoes. I don't intend to be pure evil on wheels here, but good lord what kind of relationship spends the entire period walking on eggshells, keeping their actions in line with some guys expectations? To me, THAT is subordinate. I just once want to end the game, with Alistair beside me, having EARNED our relationship, road bumps, hairy moles, warts, and all.

My problem isn't that the character might go around randomly killing people, it's the impication that something is wrong with her so she needs a man to 'tame' her and then they can be happy together.

I don't really care for the overly sensitive type of feminism, and in this case I believe it's a bit overly sensitive.  If someone is angry and lashing out, then a calm, tender person is going to tame them if they're able to earn their trust and challenge their thinking.  It need have no sexist connotation unless you attribute such to it.

In this case, I believe Merilsell is also German?  And thus might be given slack for wording.  But again, even in the original I don't see anything wrong with the statement.  We all know what she means.

She's not the one who brought it up, Lady Jess did.

Also, I found three possible definitions for the word. The first is. 1 :[/b] reduced from a state of native wildness especially so as to be tractable and useful to humans :[/b] domesticated which I don't think any self-respecting Dalish would consent to as that would mean going to live in human society and is the antithesis of everything they are.

The second is 2[/b] :[/b] made docile and submissive :[/b] subdued and surely a female warrior like the Warden isn't looking to be made docile and submissive?

And then the last one 3[/b] :[/b] lacking spirit, zest, interest, or the capacity to excite :[/b] insipid  which is really like breaking someone's spirit.

The connotation that bothered me was that you hear taming when it comes to animals and that implication is what I was getting at. I don't feel that's necessarily just a feminist thing as I am also opposed to women 'taming' men, women 'taming' other women, and men 'taming' other men. Basically, humans shouldn't try to 'tame' each other, it's insulting and degrading. Even ignoring connotations then the very definition of the word means that you shouldn't accept someone coming along seeking to do this with you, let alone want it.

[Lady Jess]

SurelyForth wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

No EMF?

No, for the shallowest reason of all- I don't like the way the Tevinter style robes look on elves. The neck part is so high that it makes me sympathy choke a little.

There also seems to be a large black ring around where your neck meets the collar. like it has cut your head from the rest of your neck. Creepy really...lol

[mellifera]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

THIS! I'm sure she'll soften a little towards humans, and all that jazz in her journey. But I am so tired of playing this game as a goody two shoes. I don't intend to be pure evil on wheels here, but good lord what kind of relationship spends the entire period walking on eggshells, keeping their actions in line with some guys expectations? To me, THAT is subordinate. I just once want to end the game, with Alistair beside me, having EARNED our relationship, road bumps, hairy moles, warts, and all.

My problem isn't that the character might go around randomly killing people, it's the impication that something is wrong with her so she needs a man to 'tame' her and then they can be happy together.

I don't really care for the overly sensitive type of feminism, and in this case I believe it's a bit overly sensitive.  If someone is angry and lashing out, then a calm, tender person is going to tame them if they're able to earn their trust and challenge their thinking.  It need have no sexist connotation unless you attribute such to it.

In this case, I believe Merilsell is also German?  And thus might be given slack for wording.  But again, even in the original I don't see anything wrong with the statement.  We all know what she means.

She's not the one who brought it up, Lady Jess did.

Also, I found three possible definitions for the word. The first is. 1 :[/b] reduced from a state of native wildness especially so as to be tractable and useful to humans :[/b] domesticated which I don't think any self-respecting Dalish would consent to as that would mean going to live in human society and is the antithesis of everything they are.

The second is 2[/b] :[/b] made docile and submissive :[/b] subdued and surely a female warrior like the Warden isn't looking to be made docile and submissive?

And then the last one 3[/b] :[/b] lacking spirit, zest, interest, or the capacity to excite :[/b] insipid  which is really like breaking someone's spirit.

The connotation that bothered me was that you hear taming when it comes to animals and that implication is what I was getting at. I don't feel that's necessarily just a feminist thing as I am also opposed to women 'taming' men, women 'taming' other women, and men 'taming' other men. Basically, humans shouldn't try to 'tame' each other, it's insulting and degrading. Even ignoring connotations then the very definition of the word means that you shouldn't accept someone coming along seeking to do this with you, let alone want it.

Yeah, I agree with you on this one. Then again, I am one of those sensitive feminist types

[Addai]

We all know what she meant. It's not insulting to say that, if you were once the angry and ruthless sort, that the influence of a friend/lover calmed you and made you act more reasonably and peaceably with the world. Why make a thing of it?

[Sarah1281]

Addai67 wrote...

We all know what she meant. It's not insulting to say that, if you were once the angry and ruthless sort, that the influence of a friend/lover calmed you and made you act more reasonably and peaceably with the world. Why make a thing of it?

 Because that's not what taming means. It may have been what she meant but it wasn't what she said.

[AnniLau]

cmessaz wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

I don't understand the instructions for the REN hair mod...can someone please explain what I'm supposed to do with the chargenmorph piece?

I edit my own. What other character generation mods are you running? (CC tints and tones, or anything that affects character generation)

I figured it out but wound up not really caring for any of the styles. Thanks to everyone who tried to help though!

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

We all know what she meant. It's not insulting to say that, if you were once the angry and ruthless sort, that the influence of a friend/lover calmed you and made you act more reasonably and peaceably with the world. Why make a thing of it?

 Because that's not what taming means. It may have been what she meant but it wasn't what she said.

It's an expression.  She even uses a .... to mean she was searching for a word.  Why browbeat the topic?

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...

The elven origins are my favorite, it's true, and elven lore in general.  I don't understand why people say that the Dalish origin is not interesting or touching.  It seems a little brief to me, but I suppose they are all the same length really.

The $%@! game made me cry again.

I like elven lore (although dwarven lore is more interesting to me) and I love the socioeconomic issues that you encounter in the CE origin. The Dalish origin, however, lacks a single character that interests me or makes me care about the life my PC had before the game starts. It's my personality to be a bit irreverent and goofy and the Dalish strike me as a singularly stiff and tedious people. I can understand it, I guess, but I can't cotton onto them in a role-playing sense. 

[Sarah1281]

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

We all know what she meant. It's not insulting to say that, if you were once the angry and ruthless sort, that the influence of a friend/lover calmed you and made you act more reasonably and peaceably with the world. Why make a thing of it?

 Because that's not what taming means. It may have been what she meant but it wasn't what she said.

It's an expression.  She even uses a .... to mean she was searching for a word.  Why browbeat the topic?

I'm not. I mentioned that I did not like the thought of Alistair 'taming' his love interest and put forth the definition to explain why. People then started to defend their usage/question my distaste for it and I attempted to clarify. How is that browbeating? 

[Merilsell]

Addai67 wrote...
I don't really care for the overly sensitive type of feminism, and in this case I believe it's a bit overly sensitive.  If someone is angry and lashing out, then a calm, tender person is going to tame them if they're able to earn their trust and challenge their thinking.  It need have no sexist connotation unless you attribute such to it.

In this case, I believe Merilsell is also German?  And thus might be given slack for wording.  But again, even in the original I don't see anything wrong with the statement.  We all know what she means.

Yup, that's me, the german girl. As said I never intended to use the word in that kind of way, less mean it. And my Dalish can go princess slice on me later for all I care. I find it also kinda needless to get so hung up about it. I think we have discussed that now, so let it rest in peace. PLEASE? PRETTY PLEASE?

Though, thanks for the kind words, Addai. You express what my brain was to tired to say <3

(Maker, I'm still awake...where are the goblins hiding your interwebs when you need some? )

[Addai]

Merilsell wrote...

My PC and Tamlen were best bud's not lovers ...but she suffers from a heavy case of survivor guilt and shut off her heart/feelings because of that.

On my 1st DEF, I also played it as they were friends/ blood-siblings and not lovers.  Having tried it the other way, the dialogue options do seem (to me) to point to more of a friendship.  There's only the one line "I came here to be with you" that suggests a real closeness that could be more.  I figure my DEF thought herself and Tamlen intended for each other, so... they got started a little early.

Serissia's Tamlen morph

[Lady Jess]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

THIS! I'm sure she'll soften a little towards humans, and all that jazz in her journey. But I am so tired of playing this game as a goody two shoes. I don't intend to be pure evil on wheels here, but good lord what kind of relationship spends the entire period walking on eggshells, keeping their actions in line with some guys expectations? To me, THAT is subordinate. I just once want to end the game, with Alistair beside me, having EARNED our relationship, road bumps, hairy moles, warts, and all.

My problem isn't that the character might go around randomly killing people, it's the impication that something is wrong with her so she needs a man to 'tame' her and then they can be happy together.

I don't really care for the overly sensitive type of feminism, and in this case I believe it's a bit overly sensitive.  If someone is angry and lashing out, then a calm, tender person is going to tame them if they're able to earn their trust and challenge their thinking.  It need have no sexist connotation unless you attribute such to it.

In this case, I believe Merilsell is also German?  And thus might be given slack for wording.  But again, even in the original I don't see anything wrong with the statement.  We all know what she means.

She's not the one who brought it up, Lady Jess did.

Also, I found three possible definitions for the word. The first is. 1 :[/b] reduced from a state of native wildness especially so as to be tractable and useful to humans :[/b] domesticated which I don't think any self-respecting Dalish would consent to as that would mean going to live in human society and is the antithesis of everything they are.

The second is 2[/b] :[/b] made docile and submissive :[/b] subdued and surely a female warrior like the Warden isn't looking to be made docile and submissive?

And then the last one 3[/b] :[/b] lacking spirit, zest, interest, or the capacity to excite :[/b] insipid  which is really like breaking someone's spirit.

The connotation that bothered me was that you hear taming when it comes to animals and that implication is what I was getting at. I don't feel that's necessarily just a feminist thing as I am also opposed to women 'taming' men, women 'taming' other women, and men 'taming' other men. Basically, humans shouldn't try to 'tame' each other, it's insulting and degrading. Even ignoring connotations then the very definition of the word means that you shouldn't accept someone coming along seeking to do this with you, let alone want it.

You seem to have not included this...

TRANSITIVE VERB:
tamed, tam·ing, tames

• To make tractable; domesticate.
• To subdue or curb.
• To tone down; soften.

the 3rd was exactly as I meant it, and I've already said it was a non serious reference to a 387 year old Shakesperean play (which was also a comedy)

Regardless, I've already been told I've set back the womens movement by decades by choosing to stay at home and be a wife and mom, I just have to live with that, and I suppose I have room to live with being assumed sexist by making a quip about an elf in reference to a play too.

[Lady Jess]

Addai67 wrote...

Merilsell wrote...

My PC and Tamlen were best bud's not lovers ...but she suffers from a heavy case of survivor guilt and shut off her heart/feelings because of that.

On my 1st DEF, I also played it as they were friends/ blood-siblings and not lovers.  Having tried it the other way, the dialogue options do seem (to me) to point to more of a friendship.  There's only the one line "I came here to be with you" that suggests a real closeness that could be more.  I figure my DEF thought herself and Tamlen intended for each other, so... they got started a little early.

Serissia's Tamlen morph

There really should have been a little more with that line. A stolen kiss or something.

[mellifera]

Lady Jess wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

THIS! I'm sure she'll soften a little towards humans, and all that jazz in her journey. But I am so tired of playing this game as a goody two shoes. I don't intend to be pure evil on wheels here, but good lord what kind of relationship spends the entire period walking on eggshells, keeping their actions in line with some guys expectations? To me, THAT is subordinate. I just once want to end the game, with Alistair beside me, having EARNED our relationship, road bumps, hairy moles, warts, and all.

My problem isn't that the character might go around randomly killing people, it's the impication that something is wrong with her so she needs a man to 'tame' her and then they can be happy together.

I don't really care for the overly sensitive type of feminism, and in this case I believe it's a bit overly sensitive.  If someone is angry and lashing out, then a calm, tender person is going to tame them if they're able to earn their trust and challenge their thinking.  It need have no sexist connotation unless you attribute such to it.

In this case, I believe Merilsell is also German?  And thus might be given slack for wording.  But again, even in the original I don't see anything wrong with the statement.  We all know what she means.

She's not the one who brought it up, Lady Jess did.

Also, I found three possible definitions for the word. The first is. 1 :[/b] reduced from a state of native wildness especially so as to be tractable and useful to humans :[/b] domesticated which I don't think any self-respecting Dalish would consent to as that would mean going to live in human society and is the antithesis of everything they are.

The second is 2[/b] :[/b] made docile and submissive :[/b] subdued and surely a female warrior like the Warden isn't looking to be made docile and submissive?

And then the last one 3[/b] :[/b] lacking spirit, zest, interest, or the capacity to excite :[/b] insipid  which is really like breaking someone's spirit.

The connotation that bothered me was that you hear taming when it comes to animals and that implication is what I was getting at. I don't feel that's necessarily just a feminist thing as I am also opposed to women 'taming' men, women 'taming' other women, and men 'taming' other men. Basically, humans shouldn't try to 'tame' each other, it's insulting and degrading. Even ignoring connotations then the very definition of the word means that you shouldn't accept someone coming along seeking to do this with you, let alone want it.

You seem to have not included this...

TRANSITIVE VERB:
tamed, tam·ing, tames

• To make tractable; domesticate.
• To subdue or curb.
• To tone down; soften.

the 3rd was exactly as I meant it, and I've already said it was a non serious reference to a 387 year old Shakesperean play (which was also a comedy)

Regardless, I've already been told I've set back the womens movement by decades by choosing to stay at home and be a wife and mom, I just have to live with that, and I suppose I have room to live with being assumed sexist by making a quip about an elf in reference to a play too.

That's a bit unfair, I think. To be told that and also to paint feminists with the man hating, family/childless brush. It's not about putting anyone down but rather trying to equalize gender perception... what one chooses to do with their life is their business and feminism is about having the choice to be a stay at home mom rather than it being the default for women. I dunno. It's too late for this discussion and my head hurts.

[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...

I like elven lore (although dwarven lore is more interesting to me) and I love the socioeconomic issues that you encounter in the CE origin. The Dalish origin, however, lacks a single character that interests me or makes me care about the life my PC had before the game starts. It's my personality to be a bit irreverent and goofy and the Dalish strike me as a singularly stiff and tedious people. I can understand it, I guess, but I can't cotton onto them in a role-playing sense. 

I do think that if you can't convince yourself that your PC and Tamlen care about each other, it's hard to feel it.  But Paivel in particular, and the keeper, communicate an emotional bond, too.  Those are the things I look for and which make it for me.  As far as snark, there is the little bit you have where you can re-work the telling of the Dalish history, which is funny.  And you get to use lots of snark in the later roleplay, if you so choose.    My previous DEF was on the milder side, but I might make this one a bit more of a sparkplug.

I like the dwarf origins, and like dwarven NPCs, but the lore doesn't interest me much and basically I can't take my PC seriously as a dwarf.  I've tried and tried, and got DNF to level 12 or so, but I just can't do it.

This seems topical again!

Modifié par Addai67, 08 mai 2010 - 05:12 .