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[Lady Jess]

ejoslin wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

shedevil3001 wrote...

your not alone on that 1 i just didn't find zevran very appealing what so ever i've tried about 7 times and just couldn't stick with him too sleezy for my taste, but as a friend he's great

He isn't though, if you go all the way through the romance.

I have to admit, we HAVE had Alistair fan hate in the Zevran thread -- not the good spirited teasing type we try to bring here (Alicorn, weird threesomes, the same things we find funny when Zevran is in them), but downright nasty comments -- both against Zevran (heh, that's no big deal, Zevran is a fictional character who certainly doesn't mind) and about people who would actually enjoy the romance.  We deal with them just like we deal with any other troll -- laugh at them until they leave -- but that's part of what shapes our views.  Some of the comments are downright nasty.

That said, I don't hate Alistair.  I think his romance is beautifully written, heartbreaking, and brings out all sorts of feelings, both good and bad.  It reminds me of the magic of first love.  It's an amazing story.

But I do get irritated when people say Zevran is sleazy, when they think they finished the romance because they got the earring but never ACTUALLY finished it and make all sorts of statements about how shallow it is, etc.  I understand why someone wouldn't like the romance, really; it's gritty, and it can (not necessarily DOES, mind you, as the dialogs support many different things here) start very much seeming to be a FWB situation.  But Zevran isn't sleazy.  He's as faithful as any of the other romance partners once in a relationship.  But you also can't expect a wh*rehouse boy who was trained to use sex as a way to get his marks alone to have the same approach to a relationship as a templar.

But with both, they fall in love completely.  Neither romance is shallow, and many very unfair assumptions are made about Zevran's romance based on the fact that he is fighting falling in love the entire time.  It doesn't help that his dialog was completely bugged at the end either.

Ok, heading back to my rock or something 

I didn't try the romance until I heard about ZDF. THEN I went for it, using the guide because dear maker that is one complicated relationship! But in the end, very much worth it.  The only things that bother me, are minor. His dialog when you ask him to your tent after he finally admits he loves you, remains the same as before. I half expected it to be softer ("work, work, work!" ??) And his end slides in both games break it. that whole "for a time" in origins and then the Antiva showdown in awakening (confusion ftw). I do realize thwe Awakening slides were as generic as possible while still mentioning the relationship to make everyone "happy". The Origins one bugs me more.  I can see Zev and my CEF having it out, after all she's been gone for months in Amaranthine, I'm sure with his issues he'd have a problem with that.

[cmessaz]

If anyone else wants to test, let me know. I'm going in game now but I'll check back in a few.

[ejoslin]

The ending slides for Zevran aren't great, they're worse for male wardens for sure as well. However, you don't get the "for a time" if you rebuild the grey wardens. I do believe with all the romances except Morrigan's, if you travel or stay in Denerim it's only for a time.

The awakening one... I won't even go there

Edit: And yes, it amazes me that they didn't have different dialogs for the tent scene if you waited, especially since they have alternative dialogs for just about every other situation with him, including his "royal scandal" speech.  Dialog Tweaks DOES fix that.  It's not perfect, but it's much better.

Modifié par ejoslin, 10 mai 2010 - 07:18 .

[mellifera]

*shrug* I like the Cousland origin. To be honest the main reason I played it is because I wanted to play a human rogue. My first game was an elf mage but her file got corrupted so I never got to finish her. When I played those times I didn't even know about the whole breakup scenario, much less aware of all the superiority complexes or hatred over it until after I had finished 2 HN runs and a mage. *shrug* So I think my enjoyment of my playthroughs prior to finding out just what sort of wankery and idiocy goes on regarding them has overshadowed any resentment. It's your game you play it however you want and I'll play it however I want.



I don't understand why one group has to act like they are somehow better for preferring to play one origin or why one group sees another as spoiled brats for the same reason. It's all a choice. You weren't born a Cousland or a Dalish elf or an Aeducan. You chose to play one. For example, my first inclination was not to play a dwarf. I've gone through about 5 full runs without playing a dwarf past Ostagar. But I am trying now, because I want to get all perspectives and maybe I'll enjoy it and get over my hatred of Orzammar (being underground/confined spaces scares me). But it seems people get stuck firmly in one camp or the other and miss out on a lot of cool stuff because of it.



Their loss. I'm not gonna bother getting upset or annoyed on the internet because someone doesn't like or doesn't want to play my favorite origin or romance my favorite LI.

[Lady Jess]

ejoslin wrote...

The ending slides for Zevran aren't great, they're worse for male wardens for sure as well. However, you don't get the "for a time" if you rebuild the grey wardens. I do believe with all the romances except Morrigan's, if you travel or stay in Denerim it's only for a time.

The awakening one... I won't even go there

Aha so that's what I done did. I think I chose to stay in Denerim. Must fix that.

The awakening slide really threw me the first time through on my CEF (I'm redoing it, since I re-started her Origin). I couldn't tell if it was Me vs Him in a brawl in Antiva, or Him+Me vs the Crows. I'm leaning towards the second, since the #$%$#%s did steal my effing sword, AND tried to kill me repeatedly in Amaranthine. Plus they mention taking over the crows.

But like I said, love being new to the guy, his woman runs off to Amaranthine without him for however many months, there's bound to be some friction upon her return. Maybe he got mad that she left without him and went back. But I prefer my theory:D

[Lady Jess]

ejoslin wrote...

The ending slides for Zevran aren't great, they're worse for male wardens for sure as well. However, you don't get the "for a time" if you rebuild the grey wardens. I do believe with all the romances except Morrigan's, if you travel or stay in Denerim it's only for a time.

The awakening one... I won't even go there

Edit: And yes, it amazes me that they didn't have different dialogs for the tent scene if you waited, especially since they have alternative dialogs for just about every other situation with him, including his "royal scandal" speech.  Dialog Tweaks DOES fix that.  It's not perfect, but it's much better.

It occurs to me, I can't remember who asked who...hmmm. Guess my mage will find that out. So much for ending the game single. Or I need to do my next Cousland with Zev, and try the political marriage thing.

[Merilsell]

Addai67 wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

The tiny fangirl in me is going WHHHYYYY do all the Couslands have the awesome kisses with Alistairs and WHHHHHY do all the dwarves have awesome kisses with Zevran? Why can't we smash the two together and salvage an awesome dwarf kiss with Alistair?! I can stand on Zevran to pull it off, np!

OTOH, many of us around here are partial to the Alistair-elf pairing.

Here. I'm totally devoted to my Dalish. Mahariel/Alistair is my favorite pairing by far. For me it has much more spice than the human noble relationship cuz of teh drama ensured, the different world thing and all those tasty things <3 Also Ali is an elf magnet after all...in both directions Cousland was fun for once but it  has only half the appeal my elf has. I would always go back playing an elf, but one Queen Cousland is enough for me. It get's boring too fast. (imo)

I'm morbidly curious about this Cousland dreck everyone talks about, but I think I'll just pass.

Well let's say there are things on FF.net you click on, read a bit and then click the back botton as quick as you can.

*hugs her F!Mahariel/Alistair story*

Modifié par Merilsell, 10 mai 2010 - 07:26 .

[sylvanaerie]

Addai67 wrote...

soignee wrote...
Doesn't help that this fandom is littered with very bad Princess Cousland fanfic. Can't play the origin without feeling disgusted with myself.

Once again I find myself glad that I don't read fanfiction.  You're the 2nd person I've read say this very thing.

I tend to steer clear of "romantic" fanfiction myself.  It seems littered with the smuttiest garbage of this or that MarySue/GaryStu character getting it on with Alistair/Zevran (and a host of other NPCs whoever has a fan following) regardless of characterization or storyline.  For me the worst culprits are the wish fulfillment fics with characters behaving in a manner COMPLETELY contrary to how they are depicted in the game (or movie if its aboiut movie characters).

[cmessaz]

Does anyone have a Alistair pre-DR talk save when he is= NOT king?

[mellifera]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

soignee wrote...
Doesn't help that this fandom is littered with very bad Princess Cousland fanfic. Can't play the origin without feeling disgusted with myself.

Once again I find myself glad that I don't read fanfiction.  You're the 2nd person I've read say this very thing.

I tend to steer clear of "romantic" fanfiction myself.  It seems littered with the smuttiest garbage of this or that MarySue/GaryStu character getting it on with Alistair/Zevran (and a host of other NPCs whoever has a fan following) regardless of characterization or storyline.  For me the worst culprits are the wish fulfillment fics with characters behaving in a manner COMPLETELY contrary to how they are depicted in the game (or movie if its aboiut movie characters).

Basically, ditto. I may RP a bit with my own characters but I just... I don't especially care to read about other people's characters in detailed stories. I do like seeing people post bits about their characters' perspectives on the boards but that's about the extent of my interest :x Then again, I don't read any fanfic in general even with established characters that do not depend on the player's input for personality.

Modifié par yukidama, 10 mai 2010 - 07:31 .

[Merilsell]

Oh how I loathe OOC-ness. Don't let me get started on that >.<



As said I'm in grumpy mood today, so my posts can come out harsher than intended. I have also a good portion of humor and think the Alicorn is awesome xD Also me loooves Zevran, Lenya's best buddy

[soignee]

I'm guilty of fanfic. It does have my Brosca bonin' Zevran, but it's not the plot. Romance= subplot. I've even written some Alistair/Aeducan shenanigans, I appear to have no shame...

[LadyDamodred]

sylvanaerie wrote...
I tend to steer clear of "romantic" fanfiction myself.  It seems littered with the smuttiest garbage of this or that MarySue/GaryStu character getting it on with Alistair/Zevran (and a host of other NPCs whoever has a fan following) regardless of characterization or storyline.  For me the worst culprits are the wish fulfillment fics with characters behaving in a manner COMPLETELY contrary to how they are depicted in the game (or movie if its aboiut movie characters).

^ This.

Holy crap.  I try so, so hard to keep characters in character and then you find a story that just makes everything...wrong.  *cries*

Yes, the Cousland origin is my favorite.  Yes, that is where my fic lies b/c I am very comfortable with the material.  And yes, I do enjoy romance in my stories, but I'm always of the belief there has to be something else to the story beside sexytimes and kisses.  That being said, I rp all my characters and have written stuff for more origins (even though it might never see the light of day).  They are human and are fallable.  They make mistakes.  There is no "perfect" ending, but there are endings which are perfect for the characters.  Why this seems foreign to some people is beyond me.

[shedevil3001]

cmessaz wrote...

Does anyone have a Alistair pre-DR talk save when he is= NOT king?

i will check, give me about 5 to 10 mins i have over 70 wardens to check :{

[cmessaz]

shedevil3001 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Does anyone have a Alistair pre-DR talk save when he is= NOT king?

i will check, give me about 5 to 10 mins i have over 70 wardens to check :{

Holy maker.

[LadyDamodred]

cmessaz: I clicked to join the new group and will happily test for you whenever you get a chance to add me.

[cmessaz]

LadyDamodred wrote...

cmessaz: I clicked to join the new group and will happily test for you whenever you get a chance to add me.

Just did! I am using your PC right now to test the DR talk. Then on to Archi. That is if my game stops crashing.

[mellifera]

LadyDamodred wrote...

^ This.

Holy crap.  I try so, so hard to keep characters in character and then you find a story that just makes everything...wrong.  *cries*

Yes, the Cousland origin is my favorite.  Yes, that is where my fic lies b/c I am very comfortable with the material.  And yes, I do enjoy romance in my stories, but I'm always of the belief there has to be something else to the story beside sexytimes and kisses.  That being said, I rp all my characters and have written stuff for more origins (even though it might never see the light of day).  They are human and are fallable.  They make mistakes.  There is no "perfect" ending, but there are endings which are perfect for the characters.  Why this seems foreign to some people is beyond me.

JFC THIS. Made neon fuschia for emphasis, haha.

[Addai]

We just need to brace ourselves for the death-porn binge that Alistair haters are no doubt going to go on when the new DLC comes out. I think LadyDamodred has the right idea, that we pre-empt it and take out the sting by posting shots and talking about it here. I have to admit that if there is even one new line of Steve Valentine talking in the DLC, I might be tempted to pay the 5 bucks and suffer the indignities.

[LadyDamodred]

Yuki: Hehehe. I'm glad you approve. Btw, what does 'JFC' mean? 'Tis an acronym I have no yet come across.



Addai: We must embrace the pain! It's a part of being an Alistarian! And if we own it, it cannot be used against us. *will takes lots of nice screenies of Alistair daeding for you all*

[cmessaz]

Project is up for group members, all the way at the bottom. I have only put together a standalone version for now.

[sylvanaerie]

cmessaz wrote...

shedevil3001 wrote...

excellent work cmessaz, can't wait to try it out, also if it's ok i don't mind testing mods to see if theres any bugs, for anyone.

If you want to help test, please join the group. I will upload what I have. I need Ostagar tested, goldanna after landsmeet alistair king/not, romance scenes, Alistair US king and not, DR conversation Alistair king or not.

http://social.bioware.com/group/2079/

I took a long nap and now I have sleep head.  I'd be happy to help test.  I have started over a new character but I haven't gotten past Ostagar with her.  How do I joing the group?

[mellifera]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Yuki: Hehehe. I'm glad you approve. Btw, what does 'JFC' mean? 'Tis an acronym I have no yet come across.

Addai: We must embrace the pain! It's a part of being an Alistarian! And if we own it, it cannot be used against us. *will takes lots of nice screenies of Alistair daeding for you all*

Jesus f***ing Christ xDD

[Bratt1204]