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[Raiil]

I think the happiest Alistair ending is the wander the world/rebuild the grey wardens, followed by the mistress ending, and then by the Queen ending. I did the Queen ending once and tbh I completely hate it. My favourite playthrough is my Amell mistress/chancellor ending. Alistair can do great things for Ferelden and he'll have his love at his side to support him if things get rough. Being a Queen, to me, seems overrated. But I was never real Cousland fan, either...

[Raiil]

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
Being married to Anora is the worst thing. I won't get into the mistress thing, but I just think that people are hard on Cailen.
I am curious about the history of Bryce and Eleanor Cousland. Is there anything in the books?

Unfortunately no.  I would love more rebellion stuff.  It's too bad that BW rushed Gaider to write TST.  There is so much more that could have been done there.

I was lol'ing last night at Eamon's description of "poncy Orlesians mincing around in their silks" (when you ask him if he has known Loghain for long). The Orlesians get such a bad rap.  It's too bad you didn't get a nice, gallant Orlesian Warden as companion in Awakening, to redeem them a bit.  I guess there is Kristoff, but you only see him in decomposed form.

Keenan was pretty nice. I wanted to slap his wife in the face, though. 

[Serissia]

Addai67 wrote...
Well, Alistair is right- it does suck rocks to be king.  That's why I don't consider a Queen Cousland ending to be a "happy ending" or a fairytale at all, even though people like to see it that way, both fans and detractors.  I would almost say the mistress ending is happier.  Then, at least one of you has some freedom, unless you also choose to be chancellor.

As King Alistair would only have to deal w/ the Landsmeet and Freeholders half of the year.  Ferelden is a cold harsh place and they wouldn't be holding council during the winter.  It would be too hard/dangerous for the people out near the Orlasian boarder to get to Denerim. 

As for the actual ruling Alistair would have ample advisors.  He has Eamon, Teagan and F!Cousland.  While the King/Queen might need to still win over the hearts of some of the Freeholders between Origings and Awakening the general populace would of been won over by the Queen's heroism.  

As King/Queen he could openly show his affections for the woman he loves.  The only problem he would have to deal is possible pressure about the heir issue. 

[SurelyForth]

Valentia X wrote...

I think the happiest Alistair ending is the wander the world/rebuild the grey wardens, followed by the mistress ending, and then by the Queen ending. I did the Queen ending once and tbh I completely hate it. My favourite playthrough is my Amell mistress/chancellor ending. Alistair can do great things for Ferelden and he'll have his love at his side to support him if things get rough. Being a Queen, to me, seems overrated. But I was never real Cousland fan, either...

I'm a Cousland fan who prefers mistress to queen.

The more I think about Alistair/Anora and the PC, I'd say that Anora is probably the best bet for a PC who wants to be Alistair's mistress. He'll have a bit more freedom due to the fact that Anora is a competent ruler, she will agree to the arrangement and she doesn't seem to really want an heir, so whatever sexual contact they have will be limited. I think the biggest hurdle is Anora's dire personality.

[cmessaz]

So there is nothing on Bryce and Eleanor, huh? I am just curious about them. Too bad.



I guess I don't get how the queen ending is bad. It's my favorite. GW Alistair is good, but no continuity into Awakening. I guess again the mistress thing is a matter of preference. I am to proud as a person to be anyone's mistress. Maybe I'm just too old fashioned, but like I said, I won't get into that again.



Hey tell me what you guys think, I am trying to figure out how to create a small romance scene for the HN, with Iona and Dierren using the DR.

[Addai]

Valentia X wrote...

I think the happiest Alistair ending is the wander the world/rebuild the grey wardens, followed by the mistress ending, and then by the Queen ending. I did the Queen ending once and tbh I completely hate it. My favourite playthrough is my Amell mistress/chancellor ending. Alistair can do great things for Ferelden and he'll have his love at his side to support him if things get rough. Being a Queen, to me, seems overrated. But I was never real Cousland fan, either...

Having Anora as sole ruler and Alistair disclaim the throne just doesn't qualify as a happy ending in my book.    I haven't done it since my very first, throw-away, character.

[Serissia]

I'm the same way.  The whole mistress thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  It's probably because my mother is a married man's mistress and there's nothing glamorous about it. 

I don't understand that PoV Surely.  Why would Anora be a better ruler than F!Cousland?  She was being groomed to be Bryce's successor.  She would know how to rule. 

[Addai]

cmessaz wrote...

So there is nothing on Bryce and Eleanor, huh? I am just curious about them. Too bad.

No, nothing that I recall and I'm sure I would have noticed.  I want to know more about Bryland and Alfstanna's family, as well.

[cmessaz]

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

So there is nothing on Bryce and Eleanor, huh? I am just curious about them. Too bad.

No, nothing that I recall and I'm sure I would have noticed.  I want to know more about Bryland and Alfstanna's family, as well.

Then we need to contact Gaider and tell him we need more info.

[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...

The more I think about Alistair/Anora and the PC, I'd say that Anora is probably the best bet for a PC who wants to be Alistair's mistress. He'll have a bit more freedom due to the fact that Anora is a competent ruler, she will agree to the arrangement and she doesn't seem to really want an heir, so whatever sexual contact they have will be limited. I think the biggest hurdle is Anora's dire personality.

I agree.  This was my reasoning on my DEF character, and I still think it is the best, for the reasons you stated.  Lately I just haven't been able to go through with it because the things that bother me about Anora (I believe it's cuddlezaro who calls her Anoyra, LOL) have festered into seething dislike.  The idea of having history go down putting her name next to Alistair's just fries my plantains.

I like my femCousland's story, make no mistake, I just don't think it's a rosy ending.  At least, not rosier than others.  I'm just confused why I hear it referred to as "the happy ending."

Modifié par Addai67, 11 mai 2010 - 05:21 .

[Sandtigress]

Serissia wrote...

I'm the same way.  The whole mistress thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  It's probably because my mother is a married man's mistress and there's nothing glamorous about it. 

I don't understand that PoV Surely.  Why would Anora be a better ruler than F!Cousland?  She was being groomed to be Bryce's successor.  She would know how to rule. 

I haven't been able to do mistress either.

And I personally think Anora is too cold and calculating to be a better queen than an HNF who has seen the plight of the Alienage elves especially and is actually moved by it.  Just like Alistair actualy appoints a city elf to his advisors, as opposed to Anora playing nice and then shutting them down when the food shortage hits - I think an HNF would be a much more compassionate ruler.

Anora and Loghain both suffer from this idea that Ferelden exists as an ideal separate from its citizens, IMO.  It's how Loghain justifies selling elves into slavery, or abandoning the King and his army for the sake of Ferelden, and how Anora justifies betrying you at the Landsmeet and tricking you into rescuing her at Howe's estate.  Any cost is worth it if the ideal of the nation remains at the end - even if the population or individual people must suffer greatly to achieve that goal.

No thank you, I'll leave the kingdom to Alistair, and my HNF if that's who I'm playing!

[AnniLau]

cmessaz wrote...

Why can't I get into my Dalish character, guys?

I struggled with that too...I just don't 'connect' with the Dalish story. I actually abandoned the character I'm about to finish up for a month around level 13. When I finally came back, I respec'd her from Archery to DW, broke up with Zev, then used the console to turn her Alistair romance back on (), all of which helped. 

Now I just need to get back to my poor DNF...

[SurelyForth]

Serissia wrote...

I don't understand that PoV Surely.  Why would Anora be a better ruler than F!Cousland?  She was being groomed to be Bryce's successor.  She would know how to rule. 

I'm saying that if the PC is a mistress, Anora would probably be the best bet as political wife. I agree that the HN would be a better queen than Anora but my canon HN would rather not be queen.

I wouldn't want to be a mistress in real life, but this situation is not real life. I can see my PC viewing Alistair's marriage as his job and his relationship with her as his marriage (does that make any sense?) and this is another reason why Anora might work best, she seems quite capable of operating under those parameters.

[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

So there is nothing on Bryce and Eleanor, huh? I am just curious about them. Too bad.

No, nothing that I recall and I'm sure I would have noticed.  I want to know more about Bryland and Alfstanna's family, as well.

Bryland    I love when he speaks up at the Landsmeet!

[cmessaz]

Santigress, you have said what I think. I just really suck at wording it. I have done the mistress ending, and of course Alistair is sweet, but I don't understand why people don't like the queen ending. That really makes no sense to me. You get to marry the man you love, and the heir thing? Well there isn't going to be an heir anyway, I think that is the general idea. So this doesn't bother me.

[Serissia]

SurelyForth wrote...
I'm saying that if the PC is a mistress, Anora would probably be the best bet as political wife. I agree that the HN would be a better queen than Anora but my canon HN would rather not be queen.

I wouldn't want to be a mistress in real life, but this situation is not real life. I can see my PC viewing Alistair's marriage as his job and his relationship with her as his marriage (does that make any sense?) and this is another reason why Anora might work best, she seems quite capable of operating under those parameters.

Looking at it that way, that makes sense. 

[Raiil]

Addai67 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

I think the happiest Alistair ending is the wander the world/rebuild the grey wardens, followed by the mistress ending, and then by the Queen ending. I did the Queen ending once and tbh I completely hate it. My favourite playthrough is my Amell mistress/chancellor ending. Alistair can do great things for Ferelden and he'll have his love at his side to support him if things get rough. Being a Queen, to me, seems overrated. But I was never real Cousland fan, either...

Having Anora as sole ruler and Alistair disclaim the throne just doesn't qualify as a happy ending in my book.    I haven't done it since my very first, throw-away, character.

I guess it depends on how you RP the character. Originally, my Amell had every intention of putting Anora on the throne and riding off into the sunset, until she betrayed  us. When I opted to discuss with Alistair before choosing who would take the throne, he seemed to want it, so he got it. From her perspective, she got to see the man she loved finally realise what an awesome person he really was, and since he was hardened, she got to stay at his side.

With my other mage, however, Anora never betrayed her and had, at that point, showed no inclination towards what sort of ruler she was going to be. Alistair wasn't hardened and so again, everyone she cared about got what they wanted.

[Lady Jess]

Sandtigress wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

So there is nothing on Bryce and Eleanor, huh? I am just curious about them. Too bad.

No, nothing that I recall and I'm sure I would have noticed.  I want to know more about Bryland and Alfstanna's family, as well.

Bryland    I love when he speaks up at the Landsmeet!

Ok who's Bryland?

[cmessaz]

Bryland is that guy who's son was tortured, isn't he?

[Serissia]

Lady Jess wrote...
Ok who's Bryland?

He's the guy sitting across from her in the tavern.  When you come up to her to give her her brother's ring they'll be mid conversation.  I believe he is a Bann from a neighboring area but I might be mistaken.

[Serissia]

cmessaz wrote...

Bryland is that guy who's son was tortured, isn't he?

That's Bann Sighard of Dragon's Peak.

[Addai]

cmessaz wrote...

Bryland is that guy who's son was tortured, isn't he?

No, he's the guy with the sexy accent who speaks up first in support of the Warden at the LM.  In the Gnawed Noble, he's sitting with Alfstanna.

I've got a wee crush on old Bry-Bry.

Modifié par Addai67, 11 mai 2010 - 05:32 .

[Sandtigress]

The reason I won't do mistress endings is because it goes against Alistair's ideals. It does show how much he cares about the PC, that he's willing to compromise his own morals for the sake of her love, but I think it shows a lack of love on their parts (and we're talking about my take on my PCs here) to let him do so. As torn as he's always been for me on breaking things up because it would be unfair to his future wife, they can't allow him to do something contrary to his own beliefs.

Now, that being said, I haven't yet had a PC who's been willing to do it. I had one who was supposed to, but Riordan started talking and he's just so convincing..she spared Loghain and married Alistair off to Anora, and there went being mistress. Loghain's redemption was to rebuild the Wardens and she told Morrigan no and took the final blow herself. Though it wasn't her intended ending, it actually worked really well for her, so it stuck as her canon ending.

Modifié par Sandtigress, 11 mai 2010 - 05:35 .

[nos_astra]

Oh, Bryland. *swoon*

[Raiil]

Serissia wrote...

I'm the same way.  The whole mistress thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  It's probably because my mother is a married man's mistress and there's nothing glamorous about it. 

I don't understand that PoV Surely.  Why would Anora be a better ruler than F!Cousland?  She was being groomed to be Bryce's successor.  She would know how to rule. 

I think the mistress thing probably varies. IRL I would never do it (I can barely fathom having a relationship with someone who is legally separated from their spouse, and I don't consider that to be cheating) but the game is different. Alistair isn't married at the time and if and when he does marry (which ultimately never seems to happen) it will be to someone whom he probably doesn't really know, doesn't overly care about and is there for show and- I hate to put it this way- as breeding stock. In my Amell's mind, what she and Alistair are doing is simply balancing the sacrifices- for Ferelden, they are going to give them a King with a trustworthy, non-partial Chancellor who has given their all to save the world. In return, they get to remain together because goddamit, they've earned the right and everyone else can go suck on a dragon's egg.

It's not perfect or the blissful ending, but the best that they could get under the circumstances.