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[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Bryland is that guy who's son was tortured, isn't he?

No, he's the guy with the sexy accent who speaks up first in support of the Warden at the LM.  In the Gnawed Noble, he's sitting with Alfstanna.

I've got a wee crush on old Bry-Bry.

Meeeeee too.  Bann Bryland of South Reach. 

[cmessaz]

My human mage does the mistress ending, but I see it as soon as he finds a suitor she would leave for both of their sakes.

[Serissia]

Valentia X wrote...
I think the mistress thing probably varies. IRL I would never do it (I can barely fathom having a relationship with someone who is legally separated from their spouse, and I don't consider that to be cheating) but the game is different. Alistair isn't married at the time and if and when he does marry (which ultimately never seems to happen) it will be to someone whom he probably doesn't really know, doesn't overly care about and is there for show and- I hate to put it this way- as breeding stock. In my Amell's mind, what she and Alistair are doing is simply balancing the sacrifices- for Ferelden, they are going to give them a King with a trustworthy, non-partial Chancellor who has given their all to save the world. In return, they get to remain together because goddamit, they've earned the right and everyone else can go suck on a dragon's egg.

It's not perfect or the blissful ending, but the best that they could get under the circumstances. 

I couldn't finish w/ the mage.  It starts out decent but doesn't deliver towards the end.  I found the responses to Anders from the mage absolutely asinine.  I deleted my AW just the other day because of it.  

Yeah, I can see a mage PC as Chancellor working out in a mistress role easily.

[Addai]

klarabella wrote...

Oh, Bryland. *swoon*

South Reach stands with the Grey Wardens.



And we stand with you, Bry-Bry!

This is one of the best reasons to lost the LM vote.  In the ensuing brawl, awesome Alfstanna and Bryland come down to rumble with you.

[cmessaz]

Serissia wrote...

Valentia X wrote...
I think the mistress thing probably varies. IRL I would never do it (I can barely fathom having a relationship with someone who is legally separated from their spouse, and I don't consider that to be cheating) but the game is different. Alistair isn't married at the time and if and when he does marry (which ultimately never seems to happen) it will be to someone whom he probably doesn't really know, doesn't overly care about and is there for show and- I hate to put it this way- as breeding stock. In my Amell's mind, what she and Alistair are doing is simply balancing the sacrifices- for Ferelden, they are going to give them a King with a trustworthy, non-partial Chancellor who has given their all to save the world. In return, they get to remain together because goddamit, they've earned the right and everyone else can go suck on a dragon's egg.

It's not perfect or the blissful ending, but the best that they could get under the circumstances. 

I couldn't finish w/ the mage.  It starts out decent but doesn't deliver towards the end.  I found the responses to Anders from the mage absolutely asinine.  I deleted my AW just the other day because of it.  

Yeah, I can see a mage PC as Chancellor working out in a mistress role easily.

See, I see it this way too. Anora, if made sole ruler, never marries. I can sort of see Alistair doing the same, maybe trying to find a wife but not being able to see it through. I think the general idea of this game is that the Theirin line is going to end, as sad as that may be.

[Serissia]

cmessaz wrote...
See, I see it this way too. Anora, if made sole ruler, never marries. I can sort of see Alistair doing the same, maybe trying to find a wife but not being able to see it through. I think the general idea of this game is that the Theirin line is going to end, as sad as that may be.

Or apparently Maric was just bedding anything with a semblance of a vagina and has a legion of bastards. 

[cmessaz]

Serissia wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
See, I see it this way too. Anora, if made sole ruler, never marries. I can sort of see Alistair doing the same, maybe trying to find a wife but not being able to see it through. I think the general idea of this game is that the Theirin line is going to end, as sad as that may be.

Or apparently Maric was just bedding anything with a semblance of a vagina and has a legion of bastards. 

LOL, then we have an heir. Oh OK, so this can go a couple of ways, there is civil war between the Theirin bastards vying for the throne, or there is civil war between those wanting the throne because there is no heir. Either way, we have a story for DA2.

[Addai]

Valentia X wrote...

I think the mistress thing probably varies. IRL I would never do it (I can barely fathom having a relationship with someone who is legally separated from their spouse, and I don't consider that to be cheating) but the game is different.

Absolutely.  I only consider it a viable happy ending because in the setting, political marriages were known and accepted, even expected.  It's a matter of note in the HN origin that your father plans to let you go your own way.

I think someone mentioned that it goes against Alistair's grain.  This is true and something I have thought of.  However, hardened Alistair is a bit more sexually liberated.  I had to play the Isabela threesome scenario once just to see his reactions, even though... ewww.    This is one of the times when you can see that Alistair is not a choir boy at heart.  His first inclination when Isabela asks to "borrow" him is "whatever, duty calls, blah blah."  She then paints a picture for him and he just lifts an eyebrow and repeats her come-on line (if the Warden says that she doesn't own him and Isabela should ask him herself).  IOW, he's thinking it over and not finding it a bad idea.

So, whatever, make of this what you will.  If you prefer keeping Alistair on the straight and narrow, I imagine that is just where he would stay.  But he is open to other possibilities.

[cmessaz]

Addai67 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

I think the mistress thing probably varies. IRL I would never do it (I can barely fathom having a relationship with someone who is legally separated from their spouse, and I don't consider that to be cheating) but the game is different.

Absolutely.  I only consider it a viable happy ending because in the setting, political marriages were known and accepted, even expected.  It's a matter of note in the HN origin that your father plans to let you go your own way.

I think someone mentioned that it goes against Alistair's grain.  This is true and something I have thought of.  However, hardened Alistair is a bit more sexually liberated.  I had to play the Isabela threesome scenario once just to see his reactions, even though... ewww.    This is one of the times when you can see that Alistair is not a choir boy at heart.  His first inclination when Isabela asks to "borrow" him is "whatever, duty calls, blah blah."  She then paints a picture for him and he just lifts an eyebrow and repeats her come-on line (if the Warden says that she doesn't own him and Isabela should ask him herself).  IOW, he's thinking it over and not finding it a bad idea.

So, whatever, make of this what you will.  If you prefer keeping Alistair on the straight and narrow, I imagine that is just where he would stay.  But he is open to other possibilities.

 She just seems....dirty to me. But yes I have tried it to out of curiosity.

Modifié par cmessaz, 11 mai 2010 - 05:47 .

[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

So, whatever, make of this what you will.  If you prefer keeping Alistair on the straight and narrow, I imagine that is just where he would stay.  But he is open to other possibilities.

I agree with this - I think Alistair's pretty open to influence by the Warden and by the end could be rather sexually liberated or still just as shy, if not as innocent, as he was when you started.  It depends highly upon how you play the game and on who your Warden is.

[nos_astra]

Addai67 wrote...
This is one of the best reasons to lost the LM vote.  In the ensuing brawl, awesome Alfstanna and Bryland come down to rumble with you.

I don't know why but it sounds a little naughty.

[cmessaz]

Oh tmp, wherever you are, how the heck do you deal with this cutscene editor. I think I'll go slam my head in my sliding glass door a couple of times instead.

[AnniLau]

Sandtigress wrote...

The reason I won't do mistress endings is because it goes against Alistair's ideals. It does show how much he cares about the PC, that he's willing to compromise his own morals for the sake of her love, but I think it shows a lack of love on their parts (and we're talking about my take on my PCs here) to let him do so. As torn as he's always been for me on breaking things up because it would be unfair to his future wife, they can't allow him to do something contrary to his own beliefs.

I don't see that. Alistair is quite able of standing up for his ideals, so if he was really opposed to the idea, nothing the PC could say would change his mind. He actually sounds relieved if she convinces him they don't need to break up, which seems (to me) to mean that he really wanted her to stay with him, but didn't think she'd go for it under those circumstances.

Remember, hardened Alistair is viewing the world from a slightly different perspective than the unhardened version!

[Corker]

Addai67 wrote...

This is one of the times when you can see that Alistair is not a choir boy at heart. .

This might be old news to most folks, but I got a bit of a surprise in my third playthrough.  My DC was asking Alistair why he remained a templar, and the conversation went something like:

Brosca: How come you're still a templar if you hate the Chantry?
Alistair: Spiffy uniforms.
Brosca: Really? I've never seen you in a templar uniform.  
Alistair: I keep it under my pillow and feel the fabric, remembering the good old days.
Brosca (confused): So you stay a templar out of sentiment?
Alistair: Oh sure.  The self-flagellation was supposed to be a punishment, but you know what they say: One man's pain...
Brosca: O.o

Obviously a joke, but he knew enough to make it.  I'd expect that kind of thing from Zevran, but Alistair?  I admit being boggled.

[cmessaz]

Isn't self flagellation where you beat yourself?

[Addai]

Corker wrote...

Obviously a joke, but he knew enough to make it.  I'd expect that kind of thing from Zevran, but Alistair?  I admit being boggled.

LOL  I love that line.  I took a screenshot of it somewhere, maybe I can find it.

I also think he's being sly in the lamppost convo, though many people seem to think he doesn't realize the phallic implications.  But to me it's clear that he does and he's pushing back a bit because you're being nosy.

Here it is:

Modifié par Addai67, 11 mai 2010 - 06:05 .

[Serissia]

Loading other people's games does amazing and strange things.

[cmessaz]

Flagellation or flogging is the act of methodically beating or whipping (Latin flagellum, "whip") the human body. Specialised implements for it include rods, switches, the cat o' nine tails and the sjambok. Typically, flogging is imposed on an unwilling subject as a punishment; however, it can also be submitted to willingly, or performed on oneself, in religious or sadomasochistic contexts.

Serissia- what have you done to my character! lol

Modifié par cmessaz, 11 mai 2010 - 06:05 .

[cmessaz]

Oooooooh, I get it. Don't mind me.

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Modifié par cmessaz, 11 mai 2010 - 06:13 .

[Sandtigress]

AnniLau wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

The reason I won't do mistress endings is because it goes against Alistair's ideals. It does show how much he cares about the PC, that he's willing to compromise his own morals for the sake of her love, but I think it shows a lack of love on their parts (and we're talking about my take on my PCs here) to let him do so. As torn as he's always been for me on breaking things up because it would be unfair to his future wife, they can't allow him to do something contrary to his own beliefs.

I don't see that. Alistair is quite able of standing up for his ideals, so if he was really opposed to the idea, nothing the PC could say would change his mind. He actually sounds relieved if she convinces him they don't need to break up, which seems (to me) to mean that he really wanted her to stay with him, but didn't think she'd go for it under those circumstances.

Remember, hardened Alistair is viewing the world from a slightly different perspective than the unhardened version!

He sounds relieved, but you wouldn't know that going into the conversation - at that point it's you pushing for it and him saying it would be awfully unfair and sounding very unhappy about it. I think you're right in saying that he doesn't think she would have been willing to go for it, but I'm not convinced that it means that he wanted to do it in the first place.  I'm more likely to believe that he sees it as many of the others here have said - an imperfect solution to a crummy situation.

Hardened Alistair is willing to see other ways of doing things, but I think the people who say they refuse to harden Alistair because it changes him do make a point in a few things - hardening Alistair just to get him to do the threesome with Isabella, for instance, is kind of sleazy.  I mean that differently than if that was part of the outcome of hardening him - it's not that hardened Alistair wouldn't do those things, I think it's just not something he would leap at without encouragement from the Warden.

[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

Corker wrote...

Obviously a joke, but he knew enough to make it.  I'd expect that kind of thing from Zevran, but Alistair?  I admit being boggled.

LOL  I love that line.  I took a screenshot of it somewhere, maybe I can find it.

I also think he's being sly in the lamppost convo, though many people seem to think he doesn't realize the phallic implications.  But to me it's clear that he does and he's pushing back a bit because you're being nosy.

Here it is:

I always figured he got some, but not all of the implications of what he was saying.  i.e. He meant the lamp post part on purpose, but I'm not sure he quite grasped that licking the lamp post might mean something in particular...

[Raiil]

I always laugh a little when people try to paint Alistair as some sort of innocent school boy. He makes so many rude and dirty comments that it boggles me a little that people would think that. He flat out admits to not being particularly religious, makes fun of the Maker in a conversation with Leliana... he's a wee bit emotional, something that made my PC giggle (before swooning, of course) and his feelings ~matter~, but he's far from some luminous, chaste being. He simply has limits.



As for the 'talk' he has after becoming king, he's doing it more out of consideration for your feelings and his potential future wife's than his. I think that if a wife wasn't a pressing issue, ending the relationship would never have really occurred to him. You have to push him to be selfish and think about his own feelings in order to stay on.

[Sandtigress]

To me, what it is is that he's all talk, but innocent when it comes to action. He's got no problem being flirty and a little dirty when he's joking about it, but when it comes to being serious, he's "all hands" and very nervous and shy.



He can fake flirt with women like there's no tomorrow, but he has no idea how to go about the real thing without sounding idiotic when he really does want her to care about him back romantically.

[Addai]

Valentia X wrote...

As for the 'talk' he has after becoming king, he's doing it more out of consideration for your feelings and his potential future wife's than his. I think that if a wife wasn't a pressing issue, ending the relationship would never have really occurred to him. You have to push him to be selfish and think about his own feelings in order to stay on.

Well, and like any of the NPCs, he has his default way of thinking about things, but is open to hearing a different view and being influenced by it.  Leliana isn't really a bigot, IMO, but she sure sounds like one until you challenge her.  Zevran will talk about enjoying the act of killing, but if you tell him that's a bit sick, he asks "Is it?"  He says he wants to continue being an assassin, but if you agree that you can't see him doing anything else, he looks surprised and a little hurt.

One of the things that I think can easily get past us is that this game is so well-written that you cannot take everything NPCs say at face value.  The game allows for a character progression in all of them.  None of them are fixed.  Edit:  And sometimes they are deflecting or are lying, to themselves if not to you.

Modifié par Addai67, 11 mai 2010 - 06:34 .

[cmessaz]

And that is one of the reasons I love it. This Cullen kiss is WAY too cute guys.