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[KnightofPhoenix]

If Alistair did indeed preserve the anvil, then he is smarter than I gave him credit for. Hmm, Morrigan might be better at this hardening thing than the PC.

[Addai]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Mwuahahahaha.  I've told you, pain is an intergral part of loving Alistair.  And yeah, I saw that the other day.  God, poor Alistair.  I'm usually BFFs with Morrigan, but I think I would have knocked her teeth out for baiting Alistair that way, break-up or no.  Do you get that dialogue after he breaks up with you at the Landsmeet?

I'm not sure.  I thought Aimo illustrated it because it didn't show up in the game, but I almost seem to remember something like this in one of my breakup games.

[LadyDamodred]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

If Alistair did indeed preserve the anvil, then he is smarter than I gave him credit for. Hmm, Morrigan might be better at this hardening thing than the PC.

Can you honestly see Alistair, hardened or not, agreeing to keep the Anvil?  Really?  Yes, let's just rip living souls from things and stick them in great stone and metal bodies.  Awesome.  Also, really big no from Alistair.

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...

Funny you mention that cause I was just looking at the Darkspawn Chronicles preview video and Alistair has the Werewolves working with him instead of the Dalish.  I guess all that "determination" for doing the right thing was just posturing for the PC?

Please, do not mention that bull**** DLC as any evidence of... well, anything.

[sylvanaerie]

LadyDamodred wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

If Alistair did indeed preserve the anvil, then he is smarter than I gave him credit for. Hmm, Morrigan might be better at this hardening thing than the PC.

Can you honestly see Alistair, hardened or not, agreeing to keep the Anvil?  Really?  Yes, let's just rip living souls from things and stick them in great stone and metal bodies.  Awesome.  Also, really big no from Alistair.

 
Well its an Alternate Reality so no telling what has happened to this Alistair.  The biggest pile of bovine excrement I would expect to see in this is if Alistair lets Loghain live and Gray Wardenizes him.

[Axekix]

LadyDamodred wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

If Alistair did indeed preserve the anvil, then he is smarter than I gave him credit for. Hmm, Morrigan might be better at this hardening thing than the PC.

Can you honestly see Alistair, hardened or not, agreeing to keep the Anvil?  Really?  Yes, let's just rip living souls from things and stick them in great stone and metal bodies.  Awesome.  Also, really big no from Alistair.

I've never actually had him in party for that part of the quest, so I don't know what he has to say, but I know Morrigan will argue the case for keeping it.  And Morrigan can be very persuasive...

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyDamodred wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

If Alistair did indeed preserve the anvil, then he is smarter than I gave him credit for. Hmm, Morrigan might be better at this hardening thing than the PC.

Can you honestly see Alistair, hardened or not, agreeing to keep the Anvil?  Really?  Yes, let's just rip living souls from things and stick them in great stone and metal bodies.  Awesome.  Also, really big no from Alistair.

Alistair does tell you at the very beginning that the Wardens do whatever is necessary to defeat the blight and he stresses on it (voice tone).
So yes, I can see him doing whatever is necessary (except when it comes to Loghain because of his lust for revenge).

Wouldn't really fit his character from Origins, but perhaps being alone hardened him even more.

[LadyDamodred]

sylvanaerie wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

If Alistair did indeed preserve the anvil, then he is smarter than I gave him credit for. Hmm, Morrigan might be better at this hardening thing than the PC.

Can you honestly see Alistair, hardened or not, agreeing to keep the Anvil?  Really?  Yes, let's just rip living souls from things and stick them in great stone and metal bodies.  Awesome.  Also, really big no from Alistair.

 
Well its an Alternate Reality so no telling what has happened to this Alistair.  The biggest pile of bovine excrement I would expect to see in this is if Alistair lets Loghain live and Gray Wardenizes him.

You know, I could see this happening before the werewolf/golem thing if Riordan pulls Alistair aside and tells him everything.

KoP:  Yes, he says that, and he knows it intellectually, but he doesn't know it in his heart yet, for want of a better phrase.  It is entirely possible that being the Last Warden causes some big changes in him.  I could *maybe buy the Anvil thing if I am being extremely generous.  The werewolf thing?  Never.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Now watch how people will change their minds and decide that preserving the anvil and killing the dalish are in fact good choices, because Alistair said so

Please.    There might be people like that, but none of them populate this thread.

I saved the anvil for the first time on my HNM's game and I won't do it again.  King Bhelen should not have an Anvil, that much is clear.

[sylvanaerie]

LadyDamodred wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

If Alistair did indeed preserve the anvil, then he is smarter than I gave him credit for. Hmm, Morrigan might be better at this hardening thing than the PC.

Can you honestly see Alistair, hardened or not, agreeing to keep the Anvil?  Really?  Yes, let's just rip living souls from things and stick them in great stone and metal bodies.  Awesome.  Also, really big no from Alistair.

 
Well its an Alternate Reality so no telling what has happened to this Alistair.  The biggest pile of bovine excrement I would expect to see in this is if Alistair lets Loghain live and Gray Wardenizes him.

You know, I could see this happening before the werewolf/golem thing if Riordan pulls Alistair aside and tells him everything.

KoP:  Yes, he says that, and he knows it intellectually, but he doesn't know it in his heart yet, for want of a better phrase.  It is entirely possible that being the Last Warden causes some big changes in him.  I could *maybe buy the Anvil thing if I am being extremely generous.  The werewolf thing?  Never.

Anvil yea maybe as it adds extra bodies to the battle. Templars too.  Werewolves, no, that makes no sense at all.  The Dalish make a wonderful army.  I use them at Fort Drakon's doorway/gate and dwarves on the rooftop.  I never use the others really.

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Axekix:  I very much dislike seeing the Werewolves.  Like, you have to go out of your way to get them.  I cannot see Alistair ever suggesting to werewolves that they go and slaughter a clan of innocents.  Ever.  Kinda pissed about that.

Haha yeah, I do wonder what the reasoning behind that is.  Ya can't blame that one on Morrigan because she doesn't suggest it

Doesn't she say "Oh, I do like that plan"?  Someone in your party does, and I'm pretty sure it was her.

[Axekix]

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Axekix:  I very much dislike seeing the Werewolves.  Like, you have to go out of your way to get them.  I cannot see Alistair ever suggesting to werewolves that they go and slaughter a clan of innocents.  Ever.  Kinda pissed about that.

Haha yeah, I do wonder what the reasoning behind that is.  Ya can't blame that one on Morrigan because she doesn't suggest it

Doesn't she say "Oh, I do like that plan"?  Someone in your party does, and I'm pretty sure it was her.

Yes, she supports it, but the PC has to suggest it first!  If you don't come up with the "kill the Dalish" plan yourself she won't say anything.
The Dalish must've really pissed off Alistair.

[Merilsell]

Time to repost my post from the darkspawn crapicels (read: chronicles) thread here, I take it.

Axekix wrote...
Funny you mention that cause I was just looking at the Darkspawn Chronicles preview video and Alistair has the Werewolves working with him instead of the Dalish.  I guess all that "determination" for doing the right thing was just posturing for the PC?

Story? Which story? You really shouldn't search for a reason why the golems and werewolves are there....at least not in a sensible plot way sort. AT ALL. The only reason the golems and wervolves are there is because they are frikkin cool and RAAAAWR and much bettaaaa for the image of a badas$ army to please the GTA player --- because werewolves and golems are much more aaaaawesoooome than just having elves and dwarves.

Dev 1: We need moooar power. A cooler army. You know LotR-style. So reaaaally BAMF!
Dev 2: But we have the elves and Dwarfes already.
Dev 1: Elves, Dwarves, pfff. How boooooring. Let's get the golems in.
Dev 3: ...And the Werewolves....cuz they are cool.
Dev 2: But wouldn't that be OOC for the characters? I can't see Alistai--
Dev 1: WHO CARES! It's AU!
Dev 3: They will love it! Mooooar fiiiiirrreeeee!!!!

This DLC is like a bad fanfiction (to me)



*headdesk*

[Gilsa]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

If Alistair did indeed preserve the anvil, then he is smarter than I gave him credit for. Hmm, Morrigan might be better at this hardening thing than the PC.

Can you honestly see Alistair, hardened or not, agreeing to keep the Anvil?  Really?  Yes, let's just rip living souls from things and stick them in great stone and metal bodies.  Awesome.  Also, really big no from Alistair.

Alistair does tell you at the very beginning that the Wardens do whatever is necessary to defeat the blight and he stresses on it (voice tone).
So yes, I can see him doing whatever is necessary (except when it comes to Loghain because of his lust for revenge).

Wouldn't really fit his character from Origins, but perhaps being alone hardened him even more.

I don't really want to buy the DLC, but I find myself being interested in Alistair's backstory for that DLC. Because it's one thing for Alistair to be the default king for Awakening (I figured they flipped a coin), but now this trend is continuing for a DLC where he is king again. Coincendence?

[LadyDamodred]

Gilsa: I am getting it, so if you want, I can let you know if they actually supply a backstory before you spend your hard-earned money on it. If it's srsly like a codex entry or two, i can even paste the screenies.

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

If Alistair did indeed preserve the anvil, then he is smarter than I gave him credit for. Hmm, Morrigan might be better at this hardening thing than the PC.

Can you honestly see Alistair, hardened or not, agreeing to keep the Anvil?  Really?  Yes, let's just rip living souls from things and stick them in great stone and metal bodies.  Awesome.  Also, really big no from Alistair.

I've never actually had him in party for that part of the quest, so I don't know what he has to say, but I know Morrigan will argue the case for keeping it.  And Morrigan can be very persuasive...

Show me one other place in the game where Morrigan convinces him of anything.  Morrigan doesn't even think she's convincing where Alistair is concerned, hence the whole DR pitch to the Warden.

He does argue about the Anvil, though not angrily or anything.  Below is the screenshot though I didn't have the titles on and don't remember exactly what he says.  He's arguing with Zevran here.

[sylvanaerie]

Gilsa wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

If Alistair did indeed preserve the anvil, then he is smarter than I gave him credit for. Hmm, Morrigan might be better at this hardening thing than the PC.

Can you honestly see Alistair, hardened or not, agreeing to keep the Anvil?  Really?  Yes, let's just rip living souls from things and stick them in great stone and metal bodies.  Awesome.  Also, really big no from Alistair.

Alistair does tell you at the very beginning that the Wardens do whatever is necessary to defeat the blight and he stresses on it (voice tone).
So yes, I can see him doing whatever is necessary (except when it comes to Loghain because of his lust for revenge).

Wouldn't really fit his character from Origins, but perhaps being alone hardened him even more.

I don't really want to buy the DLC, but I find myself being interested in Alistair's backstory for that DLC. Because it's one thing for Alistair to be the default king for Awakening (I figured they flipped a coin), but now this trend is continuing for a DLC where he is king again. Coincendence?

WOn't get a backstory though.  For an Origin I imagine you get birthed out of your Broodmother, pointed at the humans RRRR kill rend destroy...grrrrrr

Yea real RP opportunity there...Hack&Slashers rejoice...you get to be a hurlock now

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

Show me one other place in the game where Morrigan convinces him of anything.  Morrigan doesn't even think she's convincing where Alistair is concerned, hence the whole DR pitch to the Warden.

That's because Morrigan thinks Alistair is irrelevent and not the person to convince of anything, since he isn't the one making the decisions, but the Warden is.

Without the Warden and if Alistair is in charge, Morrigan will try to convince him.

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...

Doesn't she say "Oh, I do like that plan"?  Someone in your party does, and I'm pretty sure it was her.

Definitely. 

I just thought of something, though: we're assuming that Alistair would even get as far into any given quest as our PC. In order to not kill the elves, you either have to get Zathrian to sacrifice himself or kill the werewolves. If he can't get Zathrian to play along or give him aid, then the werewolves might be his only choice. 

Same thing for the Anvil. We're assuming that he goes down there and has the same opportunity that our PC has. He might not get the choice to save the Anvil, because he may have been forced to ally with Branka before that point and the only way he can survive is to stay sided with her. 

So it might be more than just making different choices, it might be that several things turn out differently, don't work out, and he's forced into making what we might consider "horrible choices" because he has no other options. 

I mean, I doubt this is the case, but it's something to maybe consider. 

[Lady Jess]

SQUEEEEEEE!! Best Orzammar treaty ending EVER for me. Ok, I'm a little miffed that Harrowmont just handed me a staff, and didn't bother saying "Thanks, You're back to being a DWARF again"..no naming me heir, no nothing...hmmmph. But I had my bloody revenge.



NOW Bhelen can call me kinslayer...well, if dead men could tell tales.





And don't I look rockin in dear dead brother's armor and sword?





Best reward of all. the +2 approval from Alistair upon crowning harrowmont (never got a bump crowning butthead..yay for approval upon betrayal?...lol) led me to getting a rose





And here is where I bow down and adore TMP. As (I think it was) Gilsa said, with the hair off my face, I feel like I'm IN the scene!

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...

Yes, she supports it, but the PC has to suggest it first!  If you don't come up with the "kill the Dalish" plan yourself she won't say anything.
The Dalish must've really pissed off Alistair.

So if the PC is not there, someone obviously suggests it.  D'you suppose it would be Alistair?

Ugh, why are we even talking about this piece of crap DLC as if it matters...

[sylvanaerie]

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Doesn't she say "Oh, I do like that plan"?  Someone in your party does, and I'm pretty sure it was her.

Definitely. 

I just thought of something, though: we're assuming that Alistair would even get as far into any given quest as our PC. In order to not kill the elves, you either have to get Zathrian to sacrifice himself or kill the werewolves. If he can't get Zathrian to play along or give him aid, then the werewolves might be his only choice. 

Same thing for the Anvil. We're assuming that he goes down there and has the same opportunity that our PC has. He might not get the choice to save the Anvil, because he may have been forced to ally with Branka before that point and the only way he can survive is to stay sided with her. 

So it might be more than just making different choices, it might be that several things turn out differently, don't work out, and he's forced into making what we might consider "horrible choices" because he has no other options. 

I mean, I doubt this is the case, but it's something to maybe consider. 

Well I still think someone switched all their watercoolers with bong water...That's my story and I'm stickin' with it.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Show me one other place in the game where Morrigan convinces him of anything.  Morrigan doesn't even think she's convincing where Alistair is concerned, hence the whole DR pitch to the Warden.

That's because Morrigan thinks Alistair is irrelevent and not the person to convince of anything, since he isn't the one making the decisions, but the Warden is.

Without the Warden and if Alistair is in charge, Morrigan will try to convince him.

You're letting Alistair hate cloud your memory, there, KoP.  If you ask Morrigan why she doesn't talk to Alistair herself, she says it's because he hates her.

[cmessaz]

<----Going with sylvanearie on the bong water theory after seeing the mess after the landsmeet.

Modifié par cmessaz, 13 mai 2010 - 11:12 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Show me one other place in the game where Morrigan convinces him of anything.  Morrigan doesn't even think she's convincing where Alistair is concerned, hence the whole DR pitch to the Warden.

That's because Morrigan thinks Alistair is irrelevent and not the person to convince of anything, since he isn't the one making the decisions, but the Warden is.

Without the Warden and if Alistair is in charge, Morrigan will try to convince him.

You're letting Alistair hate cloud your memory, there, KoP.  If you ask Morrigan why she doesn't talk to Alistair herself, she says it's because he hates her.

I have no hate.
Morrigan couldn't care less what Alistair thinks. And it's made apparent when she says to Zevran that he can serve whoever puts "the fool Alistair" on the throne, since he's making all the decisions (she is speaking about the Warden).

Alistair isn't the one leading. So why would Morrigan bother to convince him of anything?