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[sylvanaerie]

cmessaz wrote...

<----Going with sylvanearie on the bong water theory after seeing the mess after the landsmeet.

hehe!

and just because I am evil...this is what Morrigan looks like in my game.  Those who prefer vanilla Morrigan might want to look away but I think she's quite beautiful.  Alistair should be happy she's willing to do this at all...

HAHAHAHAH JUST KIDDING!!!  I have to drag him kicking and screaming.  BTW Axe, this is the robes I was talking about upthread being MUCH prettier on Morrigan than that skanky hooker outfit.

[LadyDamodred]

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Show me one other place in the game where Morrigan convinces him of anything.  Morrigan doesn't even think she's convincing where Alistair is concerned, hence the whole DR pitch to the Warden.

That's because Morrigan thinks Alistair is irrelevent and not the person to convince of anything, since he isn't the one making the decisions, but the Warden is.

Without the Warden and if Alistair is in charge, Morrigan will try to convince him.

You're letting Alistair hate cloud your memory, there, KoP.  If you ask Morrigan why she doesn't talk to Alistair herself, she says it's because he hates her.

Ehhh, I think there would actually be less hate between the two if your PC isn't there.  They would both suck it up and make a better effort of cooperating if you weren't there.

[cmessaz]

I must ask, who is the dude that you are using as an avatar, there KoP?

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Alistair isn't the one leading. So why would Morrigan bother to convince him of anything?

Because he's the only one, if the PC is female, who can give her what she wants?

Give up, you're going to lose this argument.  Have you really never played the DR as a female PC?  She tells you that she needs you to convince Alistair because she knows he wouldn't accept if it came from her, she parts with "I urge you to be convincing," and when it all comes down to it, if Alistair doesn't love or trust the female Warden, Morrigan gets no god baby.  You can't order him to do it.  And he will refuse if Coercion or approval is not high enough.

Modifié par Addai67, 13 mai 2010 - 11:19 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

cmessaz wrote...

I must ask, who is the dude that you are using as an avatar, there KoP?

The Illusive Man, from Mass Effect 2. The leader of Cerberus.

[sylvanaerie]

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Morrigan couldn't care less what Alistair thinks. And it's made apparent when she says to Zevran that he can serve whoever puts "the fool Alistair" on the throne, since he's making all the decisions (she is speaking about the Warden).

Alistair isn't the one leading. So why would Morrigan bother to convince him of anything?

Because he's the only one, if the female is PC, who can give her what she wants?

Give up, you're going to lose this argument.  Have you really never played the DR as a female PC?  She tells you that she needs you to convince Alistair because she knows he wouldn't accept if it came from her, she parts with "I urge you to be convincing," and when it all comes down to it, if Alistair doesn't love or trust the female Warden, Morrigan gets no god baby.  You can't order him to do it.  And he will refuse if Coercion or approval is not high enough.

yep.  The only reason he agrees at all is that tiny chance that it will work and save the life of the woman he loves/is friended to.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Morrigan couldn't care less what Alistair thinks. And it's made apparent when she says to Zevran that he can serve whoever puts "the fool Alistair" on the throne, since he's making all the decisions (she is speaking about the Warden).

Alistair isn't the one leading. So why would Morrigan bother to convince him of anything?

Because he's the only one, if the female is PC, who can give her what she wants?

Give up, you're going to lose this argument.  Have you really never played the DR as a female PC?  She tells you that she needs you to convince Alistair because she knows he wouldn't accept if it came from her, she parts with "I urge you to be convincing," and when it all comes down to it, if Alistair doesn't love or trust the female Warden, Morrigan gets no god baby.  You can't order him to do it.  And he will refuse if Coercion or approval is not high enough.

And this is relevent how?

Even when you are a female, Morrigan makes no attempts to get close to Alistair and always refers to him as a fool.
And you said it yourself. She goes for the female Warden and not Alistair, because she knows the female Warden is the one making all the decisions and she can make Alistair accept the ritual. She didn't even bother to be friendly with Alsitair, because to her he is irrelevent (except for his seed).

[errant_knight]

LadyDamodred wrote...

I bring Dog as a fifth sometimes, b/c there is no logical reason to leave him behind. Not sure if she would risk him the Deep Roads, but probably. Leliana gets left behind b/c she knows Orlais, Zevran b/c he always lands on his feet and will manage, Wynne so she can go to the mages if she needs them, and Sten so he can protect them.

Other characters leave Alistair behind b/c it's freaking stupid to risk the last two Grey Wardens in Ferelden in thw Deep Roads. Lya *can't* do that though.

Edit:  I can always use more angry Alistair.  He is very, very, very angry.  In don't know that there are words to describe his rage.

I leave dog behind, from a roleplaying perspective, when I think things are just going to be too dangerous. Also because having found out what darkspawn blood does to dogs (and people), I want him to ingest as little as possible. So having dog in the forest, ot for Redcliffe and its related quests is good, for Orzammar, RtO, etc., not so much.

[sylvanaerie]

Has anyone had a hostile Alistair they tried to convince to do the DR with Morrigan? Is it even possible?

[Addai]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Ehhh, I think there would actually be less hate between the two if your PC isn't there.  They would both suck it up and make a better effort of cooperating if you weren't there.

My husband and I were talking about this- I think it makes very little sense that Morrigan is so openly disdainful of Alistair, considering that even if the PC is male, he is possibly one of only two people in Ferelden who can give her what she wants.  People say that she's sneaky, but really, she's pretty straightforward even when it's not in her best interest.

[LadyDamodred]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Has anyone had a hostile Alistair they tried to convince to do the DR with Morrigan? Is it even possible?

I read the lines in the toolset, but I don't recall if there is a way to convince him if he hates you.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

And you said it yourself. She goes for the female Warden and not Alistair, because she knows the female Warden is the one making all the decisions and she can make Alistair accept the ritual. She didn't even bother to be friendly with Alsitair, because to her he is irrelevent (except for his seed).

It's not irrelevant, and IMO it's down to Morrigan's poor diplomacy that she doesn't try to butter Alistair up.  There's no way she can know that the PC and Alistair are going to have a good relationship.

That is what it takes.  It doesn't matter how powerful or decisive the PC is.  If Alistair doesn't like and trust you, he's not going to do the ritual.  The decision is his to make in the end.

[sylvanaerie]

yea I don't like pissing him off even on my HNM runthrough. Alistair was Roland Cousland's best friend. Hmm I could maybe do a fic about that...sort of a humorous buddy piece...

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

And you said it yourself. She goes for the female Warden and not Alistair, because she knows the female Warden is the one making all the decisions and she can make Alistair accept the ritual. She didn't even bother to be friendly with Alsitair, because to her he is irrelevent (except for his seed).

It's not irrelevant, and IMO it's down to Morrigan's poor diplomacy that she doesn't try to butter Alistair up.  There's no way she can know that the PC and Alistair are going to have a good relationship.

That is what it takes.  It doesn't matter how powerful or decisive the PC is.  If Alistair doesn't like and trust you, he's not going to do the ritual.  The decision is his to make in the end.

It is irrelevent to what I am saying.

You said Morrigan never attempted to convince Alistair of anything in Origins and I concured and said it's because Morrigan thinks Alistair is a fool and is not the one making the decisions, so she wouldn't even bother trying to convince him of anything.

[Axekix]

sylvanaerie wrote...
BTW Axe, this is the robes I was talking about upthread being MUCH prettier on Morrigan than that skanky hooker outfit.

Ooh, that is pretty.  For me though, vanilla Morrigan + SA robes 4lyfe.




Glorius!

Modifié par Axekix, 13 mai 2010 - 11:35 .

[LadyDamodred]

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

And you said it yourself. She goes for the female Warden and not Alistair, because she knows the female Warden is the one making all the decisions and she can make Alistair accept the ritual. She didn't even bother to be friendly with Alsitair, because to her he is irrelevent (except for his seed).

It's not irrelevant, and IMO it's down to Morrigan's poor diplomacy that she doesn't try to butter Alistair up.  There's no way she can know that the PC and Alistair are going to have a good relationship.

That is what it takes.  It doesn't matter how powerful or decisive the PC is.  If Alistair doesn't like and trust you, he's not going to do the ritual.  The decision is his to make in the end.

Not to mention, even if he loves and trusts you, you can botch the conversation and he can still refuse to do it.

And this song is stuck in my head!  "This boat engine make noise, motherf*cker!"

[LadyDamodred]

Axekix wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...
BTW Axe, this is the robes I was talking about upthread being MUCH prettier on Morrigan than that skanky hooker outfit.

Ooh, that is pretty.  For me though, vanilla Morrigan + SA robes 4lyfe.


Glorius!

Hmmm, that does look nice.  Feel like relinking?

And no one knows of any way to be able to strip an attibute of points down to 0 like you could before patch 1.03?

[sylvanaerie]

Axekix wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...
BTW Axe, this is the robes I was talking about upthread being MUCH prettier on Morrigan than that skanky hooker outfit.

Ooh, that is pretty.  For me though, vanilla Morrigan + SA robes 4lyfe.


Glorius!

those look good too.  Same stats?  and the ones from the trunk in Flemeth's hut, do they look like this too?

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

You said Morrigan never attempted to convince Alistair of anything in Origins and I concured and said it's because Morrigan thinks Alistair is a fool and is not the one making the decisions, so she wouldn't even bother trying to convince him of anything.

Except that when it comes down to it, he is the only one who can override the most important decision of the game, from her perspective, if he so chooses.

Morrigan's poor people skills are at work here, not Alistair's relevance or not.  The whole "but for his seed" thing is, for Morrigan, a pretty damn big but.
And with that dubious juxtaposition of seed and but, I'm off to the gym. 

Modifié par Addai67, 13 mai 2010 - 11:34 .

[Axekix]

It's just a reskin.  It replaces the skin of her base robe and the Flemeth's Robes of Possession, but doesn't change the stats.

http://www.dragonage...file.php?id=525

Modifié par Axekix, 13 mai 2010 - 11:36 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

You said Morrigan never attempted to convince Alistair of anything in Origins and I concured and said it's because Morrigan thinks Alistair is a fool and is not the one making the decisions, so she wouldn't even bother trying to convince him of anything.

Except that when it comes down to it, he is the only one who can override the most important decision of the game, from her perspective, if he so chooses.

Morrigan's poor people skills are at work here, not Alistair's relevance or not.  The whole "but for his seed" thing is, for Morrigan, a pretty damn big but.
And with that dubious juxtaposition of seed and but, I'm off to the gym. 

That's because Morrigan is blunt and is not a manipulator as many people believe.

But that was not the issue in my original post. THe issue was that Morrigan doesn't think highly of Alistair for her to even bother to convince him of anything really, even the Ritual. She would rather go to the person she percieves as making all the decisions, which is not Alistair.  

[Serissia]

This thread needs moar beard.

[LadyDamodred]

Axekix wrote...

It's just a reskin.  It replaces the skin of her base robe and the Flemeth's Robes of Possession, but doesn't change the stats.

http://www.dragonage...file.php?id=525

Thankee, kind ser.

[mellifera]

Can't we all just get along?

Modifié par yukidama, 13 mai 2010 - 11:42 .

[sylvanaerie]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

You said Morrigan never attempted to convince Alistair of anything in Origins and I concured and said it's because Morrigan thinks Alistair is a fool and is not the one making the decisions, so she wouldn't even bother trying to convince him of anything.

Except that when it comes down to it, he is the only one who can override the most important decision of the game, from her perspective, if he so chooses.

Morrigan's poor people skills are at work here, not Alistair's relevance or not.  The whole "but for his seed" thing is, for Morrigan, a pretty damn big but.
And with that dubious juxtaposition of seed and but, I'm off to the gym. 

That's because Morrigan is blunt and is not a manipulator as many people believe.

But that was not the issue in my original post. THe issue was that Morrigan doesn't think highly of Alistair for her to even bother to convince him of anything really, even the Ritual. She would rather go to the person she percieves as making all the decisions, which is not Alistair.  

And who he beds really isn't up to the PC.  She's going to the one she thinks she can manipulate into doing it cause she knows Alistair won't agree to it if she proposes it.  Nor will he agree with a PC he is hostile to.  So unless the PC is male Morrigan is SOL cause she burned that bridge at the start of the game.  Her feelings about it notwithstanding.  Just because that's how she perceives it, that doesn't carve it into stone as "gospel truth". That's just her perception as skewed as it is.

Edit Damn top of page...okay I don't have a lot of piccies uploaded and have to take my daughter's friend home so here's one I have posted already

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 13 mai 2010 - 11:43 .