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[Zeleen]

Sylvanaerie said "@Zeleen those robes come with Improved Atmosphere from Dragonage Nexus. Its in a chest in the chantry in Haven. and they look absolutely gorgeous and have decent stats (for mage robes).



so that's one more thing I'll be down loading...

[Kryyptehk]

Ah, okay. Thanks!

[Gilsa]

Hee hee, I'm tickled by all the recent dwarf screenshots.

@Lady -- maybe try romancing Zevran instead? Some of the ladies really go wild for him, especially since they fit better height-wise. Zev+dwarf already had the best vanilla kiss in the game (or so the propaganda goes)!

I didn't get very far in my game today (still in tower of ishal), but here are my two Alistair screenshots!

[Kryyptehk]

Gilsa, you probably take the best screenshots I seen. I like the second screenshot.

[Nu-Nu]

Gilsa wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...
But aren't the other origins already missing out since they can't be queen and have to make do with being the mistress? It's the reason I've not been able to play as the other origins yet  lol

The Chancellor ending is just as good as the queen ending in my opinion. And it needs to quit being called "mistress". Alistair is NOT married. That makes you his love, but not his mistress. Calling it the mistress ending cheapens the relationship I think. He is as devoted to one as he is the other. You're not making do, you just aren't married. And I've seen long term non married relationships turn out just as well (in some cases better) than marriages.

I agree with this. My current DN playthrough is going to have Alistair as a king (I haven't had him as a king in a looooong time) and I will convince him to stay with me. I don't recall if I can make myself a chancellor (I usually pick the dwarf boons), but that's my plan this time. I'm going to put my brother in power (that is going to suck because I really do like Harrowmont on my nobles -- feels like stabbing him in the back) and put Alistair on the throne so I can stay on top of dwarf and human politics and better coordinate the communications between the nations. In my mind, I can help send human troops to the Deep Roads so the dwarves don't bear the entire burden of fighting the darkspawn between Blights. This is just as good as asking for a dwarven boon, no? =p I don't really see it as a mistress, but more like having the attention of the most powerful man in Ferelden. I will deal with the heir issue if we actually cross that bridge in an expansion.

It'll be fun and refreshingly different from my canon DN game (whom is a commander and military focused, weary of political BS -- a mini Loghain of sorts).

He needs an heir so you will end up being the mistress even if you are not one now, he going to have to marry someone who can bear his child and look after the child when the calling comes. 

Unless by some miracle, Bioware will give you an option to cure the taint and you two can have children of your own and live happily ever after and then you won't ever be the mistress.  But that's only if Bioware allows that....

[Nu-Nu]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...
Maricstair is good looking but he looks too serious for me   I prefer the cheeky young man look, though when my warden and Alistair are much more mature she'll probaly prefer that Maricstair look

I agree it makes him look older and more kingly, that's part of the appeal for me.  Not that I don't like vanilla Alistair- I do.  And I agree that for where he is in the game, the boyband hair suits his character.  It just adds replay value to me to see him as he might be in a few years, and to see those aspects of his character which are there in the rough.  I don't think of it as "much" more mature, though.  That may be because I'm 38 myself. 

I also think some of the other mods like Improved Atmosphere and even some of the tint changes modify his look more, since his eye color looks different etc.  If you're playing the game with that going, though, I'm sure he's just Alistair.

I only said much more mature because isn't the warden, especially the HNF, very, very young?  Around 16 kinda age?  I was thinking it would suit him in his mid 30s

OMG no, I suppose you can play it that way but esp the HNF isn't a 16 year old. She's early 20s.  I figure around 21-23 young but old enough for such a huge responsiblity as running the castle (and yes I know kids matured faster in the middle ages but this is Ferelden not medieval England where the life span seems a bit more than say 40)

It's just the expression I got from the way the father and mother talk to her.  Getting called pup by her dad and still being smothered by her mother.  Also got the impression she had also just reached the age for getting married which is 16 by today standards, if your not going by middle age standards.  Characters are implying it's time for her to get married instead of implying that she should have got married a while ago are the reasons I think she only reached marriage age.

I prefer to think of her as 18 to 20 but logic in my mind think she just turned 16.

[nos_astra]

Nu-Nu wrote...
He needs an heir so you will end up being the mistress even if you are not one now, he going to have to marry someone who can bear his child and look after the child when the calling comes. 

Unless by some miracle, Bioware will give you an option to cure the taint and you two can have children of your own and live happily ever after and then you won't ever be the mistress.  But that's only if Bioware allows that....

And I am fairly sure they won't allow it. Ferelden will have no heir no matter who is on the throne. Basta!
Either that or they will force a canon that doesn't even deal with such details like "mistress" endings.

The whole angsting about an heir seems pretty pointless, Anora doesn't even bother to try again. Having an heir may be expected of a monarch but it's only to provide a potential successor, the Landsmeet can obviously ignore the line of succession and appoint a completely new ruler, so having no heir shouldn't be that much of a problem. It's a no-brainer, actually.

Now, if you let Alistair break up for the sake of an heir this sacrifice is probably for naught. You leave him alone with the burden of kingship you imposed on him (with or without his approval) and he will have to marry a stranger in a political marriage (it is unlikely that this match will have anything to do with attraction and everything with power, influence or appeasement) only to find out that the reason for this didn't work out at all. 

Very tragic and a good story in it's own way, but you need a PC who is either extremely attached to the Theirin myth or very delusional. None of my PCs are like this.

Modifié par klarabella, 14 mai 2010 - 09:10 .

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Ooh, that is pretty.  For me though, vanilla Morrigan + SA robes 4lyfe.

This is really nice and I downloaded it for our game.  My husband "thanks" you for interfering with his appreciation of Morrigan's heroic cleavage, as he calls the T&A in games and fantasy/sci fi TV.

He also says he's going to draw the line when I download the "burqa" mod.

<_<

Haha, sorry Addai's husband.

I like it better than her regular robes and I'm a total perv!  Makes her look more intimidating imo.

I told him one of these days he's going to log on and find her in buttfloss, just to spite him.

[nos_astra]

While reading fanfiction I stumbled across another inconsistency in storytelling that makes sparing Loghain even harder unless you handwave it.

One of the points in conscripting Loghain is that being a Grey Warden would be a punishment for him as the Joining can be fatal. Thing is, the Joining is supposed to be a secret. At least secret enough that the recruits at Ostagar have no idea what is awaiting them. So when Anora announces this secret at the Landsmeet, how does she know? And even if we assume she spills this secret publicly at the Landsmeet (she could also try not to be overheard), it shouldn't be widely known. So what does it look like when you recruit Loghain to people who weren't present at the Landsmeet? Obviously being a Grey Warden is generally seen as an honor...

It just occurred to me that Alistair could be absolutely right when he says being a Grey Warden is not a fitting punishment for someone you just painted as a traitor. It's a dangerous game you play.

Hm. The Landsmeet is not exactly the pinnacle of storytelling, I suppose.

Modifié par klarabella, 14 mai 2010 - 09:12 .

[Addai]

klarabella wrote...

Hm. The Landsmeet is not exactly the pinnacle of storytelling, I suppose.

Well, Loghain fans will dispute it, but I see it as game-breaking illogic that Loghain turns on a dime and becomes a docile Grey Warden just because he loses a duel.  *shrug*  It's what you want to make it, I guess.  I haven't spared Loghain yet and don't see any reason to.

[Axekix]

klarabella wrote...

While reading fanfiction I stumbled across another inconsistency in storytelling that makes sparing Loghain even harder unless you handwave it.

One of the points in conscripting Loghain is that being a Grey Warden would be a punishment for him as the Joining can be fatal. Thing is, the Joining is supposed to be a secret. At least secret enough that the recruits at Ostagar have no idea what is awaiting them. So when Anora announces this secret at the Landsmeet, how does she know?

Well she was married to the warden's #1 greatest fan.  I wouldn't be surprised if Cailan knew.  He may have spoken with Duncan about it.

[Addai]

Lady Jess wrote...

Well. This is odd. I'm loving my DNF. But...I'm just not that into the Alistair thing with her. He's in love, he's gotten her to the tent, done all the right things. Yet when he said "So what now"...I found myself choosing "I really don't know". On my elves and human it's all squee...on my dwarf not so much. Curse you Gorim. CURSE YOU>

I didn't really "feel" it with the Zevran romance on my DNF, either.  Something just seemed off.  It's too bad there's not a dwarven romance option.

[sylvanaerie]

Considering how much they keep it secret from the recruits I can't see Duncan just casually mentioning it over tea how the Joining is done. Its one of those WTF moments for me.



Jory is KILLED to keep from spreading the information and then Anora, Wynne AND Leliana all bring it up later?



Umm...yea...way to drop the ball on that one, Bioware.

[Addai]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Ahem, back to Ali...I actually don't like Maricstair, I prefer him like he comes in game or the Natural Alistair. I don't have any mods changing him right now though. He's the only character besides Oghren who hasn't been changed in my game

Sorry, you'll have to avert your eyes along with the others when I post screenshots.    I'm too addicted to Maricstair to drop him.

[Addai]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Jory is KILLED to keep from spreading the information and then Anora, Wynne AND Leliana all bring it up later?

Umm...yea...way to drop the ball on that one, Bioware.

When do Wynne and Leliana bring it up?

[Kryyptehk]

Addai67 wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Ahem, back to Ali...I actually don't like Maricstair, I prefer him like he comes in game or the Natural Alistair. I don't have any mods changing him right now though. He's the only character besides Oghren who hasn't been changed in my game

Sorry, you'll have to avert your eyes along with the others when I post screenshots.    I'm too addicted to Maricstair to drop him.

Oh, I'm not saying that I totally hate Maricstair, he's nice to look at but I wouldn't put him in my game. Mostly cause I'd be like, "Aelana! Stay away from Cailan! Oh...that's Alistair. Carry on."

[nos_astra]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Considering how much they keep it secret from the recruits I can't see Duncan just casually mentioning it over tea how the Joining is done. Its one of those WTF moments for me.

Jory is KILLED to keep from spreading the information and then Anora, Wynne AND Leliana all bring it up later?

Umm...yea...way to drop the ball on that one, Bioware.

Yes, that's what I mean. Duncan kills to keep this information a secret, yet Anora knows and no one (beside Alistair and I'm sure he does this entirely by accident and not because Bioware spend sleepless nights brooding) has second thoughts that recruiting Loghain might be a dangerous way to go?

Edit: Don't know about Wynne and Leiana, though.

Modifié par klarabella, 14 mai 2010 - 09:45 .

[Addai]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Oh, I'm not saying that I totally hate Maricstair, he's nice to look at but I wouldn't put him in my game. Mostly cause I'd be like, "Aelana! Stay away from Cailan! Oh...that's Alistair. Carry on."

LOL, a common complaint, but I don't see Cailan at all.  Perhaps because I played a male PC with that hairstyle and am used to it.  But I think it's just because it's just Alistair to me now.

[Addai]

@Gilsa, I tried Fraps but my screenshots never showed up in the folder I specified for them. Do you have to have Fraps running for it to work? Because the little yellow counter in the corner bugs me.

[sylvanaerie]

Addai67 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Jory is KILLED to keep from spreading the information and then Anora, Wynne AND Leliana all bring it up later?

Umm...yea...way to drop the ball on that one, Bioware.

When do Wynne and Leliana bring it up?

Leliana will during the "performance" girl talk with the PC.  She says you are glowing,you hae the option to tell her "thats just the Joining" and she says "OH that Gray Warden ritual with the darkspawn blood..."  (yes I have listened to this conversation for hours of game time lol)

Wynne brings it up when she says "You survived the Joining when others did not..." yada yada during one of her pep talks in camp.

While Leliana's doesn't imply she knows about the consequences of the Joining, Wynne's most DEFINITELY does.  And the woman was FAR too busy at Ostagar to bother what the GW's were doing up in the old temple.

Its just such WTF'ery that makes me go...HUH????

[nos_astra]

So much for Grey Warden secrets. *sigh*

[Axekix]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Considering how much they keep it secret from the recruits I can't see Duncan just casually mentioning it over tea how the Joining is done. Its one of those WTF moments for me.

Jory is KILLED to keep from spreading the information and then Anora, Wynne AND Leliana all bring it up later?

Umm...yea...way to drop the ball on that one, Bioware.

Cailan was the king... if anyone would be privy to that info it would be him, no? 

I'd imagine Duncan would have given him a rough idea of how many new wardens he could expect to bolster their numbers, which would probably include explaining the dangers involved in the joining.

[sylvanaerie]

No, Axekix. The joining smacks of blood magic. And if THATS how Anora found out (through Cailan) trusting him with this secret would have been a huge mistake. Duncan will even tell the PC he doens't know king Cailan that well so NO I don't think its something he would have told the king.



Personally I think its sloppy storytelling. its all a huge secret so the drama is drawn out. ooooo you can die from it but you don't find out all the particulars till the Joining itself. Once its done and in the player's mind what happens there is no further need in the story to keep it a secret so people know about it.



There is NO reason Anora, Leliana and Wynne should know about it at all. They won't even tell their freaking recruits. its BS

[Emerald Melios]

It doesn't seem that strange that Anora knew the Joining could be lethal; as high-ranking monarch, it seems reasonable that she would be privy to some Grey Warden secrets, especially since her husband was one of their biggest fanboys.

[sylvanaerie]

To me it does. Fanboy or not I don't think Cailan would have known about this. The Joining is/appears to be blood magic. And we all know how everyone views that in this world... Cailan and Duncan weren't that close that Duncan would share something like that with him. He won't even tell the new recruits who are about to possibly DIE what's going on till he has them in the old temple. I just don't see him leaking this info out to a complete moron even if he is a fanboy NOT if he would KILL someone to keep from spreading the information.

Top of page...hmmm I think this is rather fitting...I want some answers Bioware...

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 14 mai 2010 - 10:02 .