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[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

You know, I've never fed Anders to the templars. Does he get all sad?

Naaa, he takes it fine. It's not like the templars are throwing him in a pseudo concetration camp....

I don't know, I never tried it. But I do wish we had the option to denounce Alistair to the Templars, for the crime of revealing Chantry secrets.

You can turn Morrigan into the templars, too.  At least you can now that Terra_Ex has restored the scene.

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...

I don't know how some of you go through with the mistress ending... especially in front of everyone like that.  It seems so demeaning (especially for a city elf).  Ugh.

Because life's a b*tch and if you care enough about him, you do what you have to do.

As my poor PC this weekend found out.  Morrigan gets her baby every time!  No more weepy endings for me.

Edit P.S. The game should still have him flagged as "still in love," which means you should get some options that aren't available only to friendly.  Could you tell him that you love him when proposing the DR and at the gates?  If you do, he'll say (at the DR), "Oh... I did wonder about that, after... wait, why are you telling me this?" and at the gates (after you say "No matter what you say, I still love you") he will respond "then I won't say anything."  All the end games are kind of flat, IMO.

Modifié par Addai67, 17 mai 2010 - 03:50 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

You know, I've never fed Anders to the templars. Does he get all sad?

Naaa, he takes it fine. It's not like the templars are throwing him in a pseudo concetration camp....

I don't know, I never tried it. But I do wish we had the option to denounce Alistair to the Templars, for the crime of revealing Chantry secrets.

You can turn Morrigan into the templars, too.  At least you can now that Terra_Ex has restored the scene.

She would just shapeshift into a cat and axiomatically divide the Tower by zero thus killing everything in it.

[Kryyptehk]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

You know, I've never fed Anders to the templars. Does he get all sad?

Naaa, he takes it fine. It's not like the templars are throwing him in a pseudo concetration camp....

I don't know, I never tried it. But I do wish we had the option to denounce Alistair to the Templars, for the crime of revealing Chantry secrets.

Yeah, I wish you could turn Morrigan in for being an apostate. Of course, she'd kill everyone in the mages tower before escaping, even Dagna:unsure:

Morrigan disapproves of my idea.

[KnightofPhoenix]

KoP dissaproves of this hideous pathetic excuse for a Morrigan. Delete the mod.

[Axekix]

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

I don't know how some of you go through with the mistress ending... especially in front of everyone like that.  It seems so demeaning (especially for a city elf).  Ugh.

Because life's a b*tch and if you care enough about him, you do what you have to do.

As my poor PC this weekend found out.  Morrigan gets her baby every time!  No more weepy endings for me.

Your PC would be ok with him sleeping with at least 2 other women?  Maybe more if Anora can't produce an heir.  Doesn't sit well with me tbh.

[LadyDamodred]

Ok, Anders does take it kind of well. I had to lol when I chose the 'show mercy' option and he and Rylock just winked out of existance.



Axekix: I'm actually sort of glad you feel that way. Now you know where we're coming from. I think if you choose the right options, Alistair will still mention at times how he's in love with you even at the gates and stuff. And now you see the bittersweetness of an Alistair romance. 'Tis most sad, is it not? I romance him with chars other than a HNF, but it does give the romance a tragic air to it.



As for everyone being in the toom, it's a limitation of the scene. I'd have to imagine he actually pulls you out of the room or off to the side or something. And for Morrigan, I think it depends on how you RPed your relationship with her. The scene is fairly neutral and if you are friends with her, it's easy to take the lil pauses and whatnot as her caring for you. *shrugs*

[Kryyptehk]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

KoP dissaproves of this hideous pathetic excuse for a Morrigan. Delete the mod.

But her hair is so pretty! I was thinking about deleting it earlier but now I'm gonna keep it. A spam you with a million pictures of her muahaha:devil:

...of course, that would require effort and I'm not that dedicated. You're off the hook for now, KoP

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

KoP dissaproves of this hideous pathetic excuse for a Morrigan. Delete the mod.

Strangely, I agree. Vanilla Morrigan is fine as is, no alterations needed.

The templars won't care either way.

[Addai]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

KoP dissaproves of this hideous pathetic excuse for a Morrigan. Delete the mod.

Strangely, I agree. Vanilla Morrigan is fine as is, no alterations needed.

The templars won't care either way.

I do like the SA Morrigan, which just puts some extra clothes on her.

[LadyDamodred]

Axekix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

I don't know how some of you go through with the mistress ending... especially in front of everyone like that.  It seems so demeaning (especially for a city elf).  Ugh.

Because life's a b*tch and if you care enough about him, you do what you have to do.

As my poor PC this weekend found out.  Morrigan gets her baby every time!  No more weepy endings for me.

Your PC would be ok with him sleeping with at least 2 other women?  Maybe more if Anora can't produce an heir.  Doesn't sit well with me tbh.

With Morrigan, yes.  I cannot be mad at him for that.  As for him having to marry someone else....  My PC is more mad at the situation that doesn't allow them to be together like she wants.  It's obvious it's tearing Alistair apart and it's hard to be mad at him.  At that point, my PCs have to believe that whatever they have is stronger than a physical act that is required of him to produce an heir.  *shrugs*  Other people will feel differently, but my PCs do not see it as a betrayal or infidelity at all.

[Kryyptehk]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

KoP dissaproves of this hideous pathetic excuse for a Morrigan. Delete the mod.

Strangely, I agree. Vanilla Morrigan is fine as is, no alterations needed.

The templars won't care either way.

Eh, I think she's fine the way she is but I downloaded the mod a while ago because I thought it looked cool and now Morrigan's voice is stuck to that morph in my head.

[Addai]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Ok, Anders does take it kind of well. I had to lol when I chose the 'show mercy' option and he and Rylock just winked out of existance.

OMG you actually did it?  LOL  I was only kidding.  I like Anders.  He's my staple mage in Awakening, even on my blood mage character.  They were an impressive duo, after she was done corrupting him.

As for everyone being in the toom, it's a limitation of the scene. I'd have to imagine he actually pulls you out of the room or off to the side or something. And for Morrigan, I think it depends on how you RPed your relationship with her. The scene is fairly neutral and if you are friends with her, it's easy to take the lil pauses and whatnot as her caring for you. *shrugs*

I have no problems with the Morrigan part of the DR scene.  She is proposing to you the one way that you and your lover can stay alive.  All of my female PCs (but the dumb one this weekend ) give her genuine, heartfelt thanks at the gates.  They would kiss her feet after it actually works and you're both alive.

Modifié par Addai67, 17 mai 2010 - 03:59 .

[Axekix]

LadyDamodred wrote...
Axekix: I'm actually sort of glad you feel that way. Now you know where we're coming from. I think if you choose the right options, Alistair will still mention at times how he's in love with you even at the gates and stuff. And now you see the bittersweetness of an Alistair romance. 'Tis most sad, is it not? I romance him with chars other than a HNF, but it does give the romance a tragic air to it.

I'm not!  That ending totally ruined the char for me.  I might as well delete her.  I may go back with her and finish a F/F romance with Leliana instead.  I still don't totally get the attraction to him, but I will admit there is a huge emotional payoff in the end, if that's your thing.

As for everyone being in the toom, it's a limitation of the scene. I'd have to imagine he actually pulls you out of the room or off to the side or something. And for Morrigan, I think it depends on how you RPed your relationship with her. The scene is fairly neutral and if you are friends with her, it's easy to take the lil pauses and whatnot as her caring for you. *shrugs*

Haha I really wish they had put that convo in a seperate room or something.  That was just straight up brutal.

As for the DR... I don't know, when Morrigan was proposing the DR she tried to persuade me by saying Alistair would take the finbal blow and get all the glory.  Like wtf... who cares about glory?!  Maybe it might have sounded a bit warmer if I made different dialogue choices, but with my male PCs it never felt so... icy.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Axe, it was sad because it was written badly, as you said. The Morrigan romance was sad because it was written perfectly. Seriously, Morrigan romance is superior in every way. I am not biased at all...

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

I don't know how some of you go through with the mistress ending... especially in front of everyone like that.  It seems so demeaning (especially for a city elf).  Ugh.

Because life's a b*tch and if you care enough about him, you do what you have to do.

As my poor PC this weekend found out.  Morrigan gets her baby every time!  No more weepy endings for me.

Your PC would be ok with him sleeping with at least 2 other women?  Maybe more if Anora can't produce an heir.  Doesn't sit well with me tbh.

Not "okay with it," but you do what you have to do.  Political marriages are part of the game.  It isn't fair, but an elf living in Thedas can go crazy thinking about what's not fair.  Like I often said on my last DEF game, my PC is Chani and the political wife is Irulan.  She gets to attend the tedious public appearances and sleep with him a few times to try for the heir while he's thinking of another woman.  If the political wife goes into it willingly and knowingly- as she certainly would- then she gets what she wants, power, while my PC gets what she wants, her love.

[Axekix]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

I don't know how some of you go through with the mistress ending... especially in front of everyone like that.  It seems so demeaning (especially for a city elf).  Ugh.

Because life's a b*tch and if you care enough about him, you do what you have to do.

As my poor PC this weekend found out.  Morrigan gets her baby every time!  No more weepy endings for me.

Your PC would be ok with him sleeping with at least 2 other women?  Maybe more if Anora can't produce an heir.  Doesn't sit well with me tbh.

With Morrigan, yes.  I cannot be mad at him for that.  As for him having to marry someone else....  My PC is more mad at the situation that doesn't allow them to be together like she wants.  It's obvious it's tearing Alistair apart and it's hard to be mad at him.  At that point, my PCs have to believe that whatever they have is stronger than a physical act that is required of him to produce an heir.  *shrugs*  Other people will feel differently, but my PCs do not see it as a betrayal or infidelity at all.

Well, it's not so much resenting Alistair for the act... more so, it's about the issues that could cause later on.  Who's to say he wouldn't develop feelings for his new wife?  Anora's not exactly dogchow

And even if not, for the sake of public appearances she's the one always at his side.  It seems like it could be a bit much to deal with.

[Axekix]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Axe, it was sad because it was written badly, as you said. The Morrigan romance was sad because it was written perfectly. Seriously, Morrigan romance is superior in every way. I am not biased at all...

I think you may be right tbh.  It could have been handled a lot better.

[LadyDamodred]

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
Axekix: I'm actually sort of glad you feel that way. Now you know where we're coming from. I think if you choose the right options, Alistair will still mention at times how he's in love with you even at the gates and stuff. And now you see the bittersweetness of an Alistair romance. 'Tis most sad, is it not? I romance him with chars other than a HNF, but it does give the romance a tragic air to it.

I'm not!  That ending totally ruined the char for me.  I might as well delete her.  I may go back with her and finish a F/F romance with Leliana instead.  I still don't totally get the attraction to him, but I will admit there is a huge emotional payoff in the end, if that's your thing.

Awww.  Don't feel that way.  I mean it's a good thing in that it impacted you.  It wouldn't upset you so much if you didn't care.  It's okay.  Embrace it.  We'll be here to catch you.  If it upsets you that much, just know that if you do choose the mistress ending, he is wicked happy.  He will finally seize happiness for himself, and he has some really cute lines.

I know I've said it before, but I'll repeat it here.  He has never had anyone fight to keep him for him.  It's the first time that someone puts him before everything else, and it means a lot to him.  Might I suggest going back and redoing the ending to be his mistress?  It might change your mind when you see how totally in love he still is with you.

[Kryyptehk]

The political marriage thing isn't all that bad depending on the character. My mages are usually manipulative and power hungry, so being the King's concubine is very beneficially to them. Not to mention they aren't jealous because they already had a threesome with Alistair and Isabelle.



A lot of power with no responsibility. And you get the love of your life, if that's your thing.

[sabreene]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Ok, Anders does take it kind of well. I had to lol when I chose the 'show mercy' option and he and Rylock just winked out of existance.

Axekix: I'm actually sort of glad you feel that way. Now you know where we're coming from. I think if you choose the right options, Alistair will still mention at times how he's in love with you even at the gates and stuff. And now you see the bittersweetness of an Alistair romance. 'Tis most sad, is it not? I romance him with chars other than a HNF, but it does give the romance a tragic air to it.

As for everyone being in the toom, it's a limitation of the scene. I'd have to imagine he actually pulls you out of the room or off to the side or something. And for Morrigan, I think it depends on how you RPed your relationship with her. The scene is fairly neutral and if you are friends with her, it's easy to take the lil pauses and whatnot as her caring for you. *shrugs*

I just decided they leave when he comes in and starts talking. After all, when the conversation finishes you're alone at the Arl's.

With Morrigan -- I've actually always felt she cared about the situation when she was telling me about the DR. She obviously has her own reasons and isn't sharing everything, but the tone and the facial expressions convey feeling to me. Of course, I'm always at 100 friendship with her, so that might cloud the way I interpret the scene.

On Alistair - I don't usually marry him to Anora if I'm in a romance with him. With non HNF I usually have them go off together, or have Alistair be sole king. The heir problem will wait in the future, if they survive. If I were to have them break up to marry Anora, it would have to be with a character who is 'hardened' herself. A character like that would have no problem getting what she wants out of the short life she has until the deep roads call.

[LadyDamodred]

Axekix wrote...
Well, it's not so much resenting Alistair for the act... more so, it's about the issues that could cause later on.  Who's to say he wouldn't develop feelings for his new wife?  Anora's not exactly dogchow

And even if not, for the sake of public appearances she's the one always at his side.  It seems like it could be a bit much to deal with.

Can it put a strain in the relationship?  Absolutely.  It's up to your PC and Alistair work through it, if you think it's worth fighting for.

As for developing feelings for his new wife, it has nothing to do with looks.  Alistair does not like Anora.  He will suck it up and make it work if he has to, but he loves your character.  He will always love your character.  He is absolutely heartbroken at losing your PC.  If the characters stay together, I don't see that changing.

[Axekix]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
Axekix: I'm actually sort of glad you feel that way. Now you know where we're coming from. I think if you choose the right options, Alistair will still mention at times how he's in love with you even at the gates and stuff. And now you see the bittersweetness of an Alistair romance. 'Tis most sad, is it not? I romance him with chars other than a HNF, but it does give the romance a tragic air to it.

I'm not!  That ending totally ruined the char for me.  I might as well delete her.  I may go back with her and finish a F/F romance with Leliana instead.  I still don't totally get the attraction to him, but I will admit there is a huge emotional payoff in the end, if that's your thing.

Awww.  Don't feel that way.  I mean it's a good thing in that it impacted you.  It wouldn't upset you so much if you didn't care.  It's okay.  Embrace it.  We'll be here to catch you.  If it upsets you that much, just know that if you do choose the mistress ending, he is wicked happy.  He will finally seize happiness for himself, and he has some really cute lines.

I know I've said it before, but I'll repeat it here.  He has never had anyone fight to keep him for him.  It's the first time that someone puts him before everything else, and it means a lot to him.  Might I suggest going back and redoing the ending to be his mistress?  It might change your mind when you see how totally in love he still is with you.

Hah!

Well I tried to play her as a bit of an avenger, sticking up for elven rights and what not... being reduced to the "king's mistress" just feels wrong in principle.  I dunno... I'd have a hard time justifying the mistress thing I think.

[Lady Jess]

Axekix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

I don't know how some of you go through with the mistress ending... especially in front of everyone like that.  It seems so demeaning (especially for a city elf).  Ugh.

Because life's a b*tch and if you care enough about him, you do what you have to do.

As my poor PC this weekend found out.  Morrigan gets her baby every time!  No more weepy endings for me.

Your PC would be ok with him sleeping with at least 2 other women?  Maybe more if Anora can't produce an heir.  Doesn't sit well with me tbh.

YOU married him to Anora. Not all of us do that, therfor he is not married, and our pc isn't a "mistress". It's not like he gets married in the epilogue ya know. We mostly figure we'll burn that bridge when we come to it, and frankly I don't see "omg Alistair got married!" as being a big part of any possible future of the game.

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...

Well, it's not so much resenting Alistair for the act... more so, it's about the issues that could cause later on.  Who's to say he wouldn't develop feelings for his new wife?  Anora's not exactly dogchow

Yes she is.    Trust me, Alistair is not going to fall for Anora.  I would be more worried about Bimbo Bannorn, but with Alistair, there really is no concern.  His Warden lover is his true love, as all the epilogues bear out.  As long as you are willing to stay with him, he (hardened, of course) is going to stay with you.

And even if not, for the sake of public appearances she's the one always at his side.  It seems like it could be a bit much to deal with.

I don't doubt that it would be difficult.  You would be whispered about as the king's elven wh*re, too, even if you are the Hero of Ferelden.  His enemies would use it as a point against him, maybe blaming policy decisions they don't like on the Warden's influence.  All of this is cost that you have to figure in.  If you can't handle it, you don't make him king or you break up.

You missed the best Alistair dialogue ever, his "I don't intend to let you get away" conversation.

Modifié par Addai67, 17 mai 2010 - 04:06 .