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[Axekix]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Axekix wrote...
Well, it's not so much resenting Alistair for the act... more so, it's about the issues that could cause later on.  Who's to say he wouldn't develop feelings for his new wife?  Anora's not exactly dogchow

And even if not, for the sake of public appearances she's the one always at his side.  It seems like it could be a bit much to deal with.

Can it put a strain in the relationship?  Absolutely.  It's up to your PC and Alistair work through it, if you think it's worth fighting for.

As for developing feelings for his new wife, it has nothing to do with looks.  Alistair does not like Anora.  He will suck it up and make it work if he has to, but he loves your character.  He will always love your character.  He is absolutely heartbroken at losing your PC.  If the characters stay together, I don't see that changing.

They seemed to get along pretty well in the epilogue cards as far as I can tell.  It wouldn't surprise me if he warmed to her over time tbh.  Aside from her father's ruthlessness (which can be seen as a positive in some ways) she's got a lot of good qualities.

[Lady Jess]

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
Axekix: I'm actually sort of glad you feel that way. Now you know where we're coming from. I think if you choose the right options, Alistair will still mention at times how he's in love with you even at the gates and stuff. And now you see the bittersweetness of an Alistair romance. 'Tis most sad, is it not? I romance him with chars other than a HNF, but it does give the romance a tragic air to it.

I'm not!  That ending totally ruined the char for me.  I might as well delete her.  I may go back with her and finish a F/F romance with Leliana instead.  I still don't totally get the attraction to him, but I will admit there is a huge emotional payoff in the end, if that's your thing.

Awww.  Don't feel that way.  I mean it's a good thing in that it impacted you.  It wouldn't upset you so much if you didn't care.  It's okay.  Embrace it.  We'll be here to catch you.  If it upsets you that much, just know that if you do choose the mistress ending, he is wicked happy.  He will finally seize happiness for himself, and he has some really cute lines.

I know I've said it before, but I'll repeat it here.  He has never had anyone fight to keep him for him.  It's the first time that someone puts him before everything else, and it means a lot to him.  Might I suggest going back and redoing the ending to be his mistress?  It might change your mind when you see how totally in love he still is with you.

Hah!

Well I tried to play her as a bit of an avenger, sticking up for elven rights and what not... being reduced to the "king's mistress" just feels wrong in principle.  I dunno... I'd have a hard time justifying the mistress thing I think.

Then go back further and don't marry him to princess frostypants:P No marriage, no mistress:whistle:

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Axekix wrote...
Well, it's not so much resenting Alistair for the act... more so, it's about the issues that could cause later on.  Who's to say he wouldn't develop feelings for his new wife?  Anora's not exactly dogchow

And even if not, for the sake of public appearances she's the one always at his side.  It seems like it could be a bit much to deal with.

Can it put a strain in the relationship?  Absolutely.  It's up to your PC and Alistair work through it, if you think it's worth fighting for.

As for developing feelings for his new wife, it has nothing to do with looks.  Alistair does not like Anora.  He will suck it up and make it work if he has to, but he loves your character.  He will always love your character.  He is absolutely heartbroken at losing your PC.  If the characters stay together, I don't see that changing.

They seemed to get along pretty well in the epilogue cards as far as I can tell.  It wouldn't surprise me if he warmed to her over time tbh.  Aside from her father's ruthlessness (which can be seen as a positive in some ways) she's got a lot of good qualities.

Publically as co-rulers, they worked fine. However, judging by the reactions you get in awakenings when you meet him, he seems not a happy camper on the home front.

[LadyDamodred]

Axekix wrote...
Hah!

Well I tried to play her as a bit of an avenger, sticking up for elven rights and what not... being reduced to the "king's mistress" just feels wrong in principle.  I dunno... I'd have a hard time justifying the mistress thing I think.

I hope you're laughing with me? 

It might sound weird, but try not to think of him as the king?  He is still the Alistair your PC traveled with for a year and fell in love with.  Does your PC love him enough to fight to keep him?  It's an honest question.  If the answer is no, if they think it would be too difficult, you made the right choice.  But if the answer is yes, if what your PC and Alistair have trumps appearances, then staying with him is the best thing you can do for him and your PC.

And also, for a CEF, how many of your people in the alienage get to fall in love the way your PC did?  I don't think any of the PC's people would fault her for it.

[Axekix]

Lady Jess wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

I don't know how some of you go through with the mistress ending... especially in front of everyone like that.  It seems so demeaning (especially for a city elf).  Ugh.

Because life's a b*tch and if you care enough about him, you do what you have to do.

As my poor PC this weekend found out.  Morrigan gets her baby every time!  No more weepy endings for me.

Your PC would be ok with him sleeping with at least 2 other women?  Maybe more if Anora can't produce an heir.  Doesn't sit well with me tbh.

YOU married him to Anora. Not all of us do that, therfor he is not married, and our pc isn't a "mistress". It's not like he gets married in the epilogue ya know. We mostly figure we'll burn that bridge when we come to it, and frankly I don't see "omg Alistair got married!" as being a big part of any possible future of the game.

Wait, you don't get the mistress option if you put him on the throne alone?  What happens then?

[Kryyptehk]

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Axekix wrote...
Well, it's not so much resenting Alistair for the act... more so, it's about the issues that could cause later on.  Who's to say he wouldn't develop feelings for his new wife?  Anora's not exactly dogchow

And even if not, for the sake of public appearances she's the one always at his side.  It seems like it could be a bit much to deal with.

Can it put a strain in the relationship?  Absolutely.  It's up to your PC and Alistair work through it, if you think it's worth fighting for.

As for developing feelings for his new wife, it has nothing to do with looks.  Alistair does not like Anora.  He will suck it up and make it work if he has to, but he loves your character.  He will always love your character.  He is absolutely heartbroken at losing your PC.  If the characters stay together, I don't see that changing.

They seemed to get along pretty well in the epilogue cards as far as I can tell.  It wouldn't surprise me if he warmed to her over time tbh.  Aside from her father's ruthlessness (which can be seen as a positive in some ways) she's got a lot of good qualities.

Then what's to say Morrigan falls out of love with you given enough time? She's good looking, and could probably have any man she wants, without the drama of him caring to much for you. I wouldn't be surprised if by the time you see her again she doesn't care for you anymore.

[LadyDamodred]

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Axekix wrote...
Well, it's not so much resenting Alistair for the act... more so, it's about the issues that could cause later on.  Who's to say he wouldn't develop feelings for his new wife?  Anora's not exactly dogchow

And even if not, for the sake of public appearances she's the one always at his side.  It seems like it could be a bit much to deal with.

Can it put a strain in the relationship?  Absolutely.  It's up to your PC and Alistair work through it, if you think it's worth fighting for.

As for developing feelings for his new wife, it has nothing to do with looks.  Alistair does not like Anora.  He will suck it up and make it work if he has to, but he loves your character.  He will always love your character.  He is absolutely heartbroken at losing your PC.  If the characters stay together, I don't see that changing.

They seemed to get along pretty well in the epilogue cards as far as I can tell.  It wouldn't surprise me if he warmed to her over time tbh.  Aside from her father's ruthlessness (which can be seen as a positive in some ways) she's got a lot of good qualities.

Like I said, he sucks it up to make it work.  Getting along well has nothing to do with falling in love or even really liking each other.  I get along well with people at work that I cannot stand.  And if he has no one else, or if he had never fallen in love, he might want more from her.  But once he's been with your PC, do you really ever see that happening?  As for good qualities, yes, she does have some.  But that has nothing to do with liking someone or falling in love with them.  Life would be a damn sight more fair if it did.

[LadyDamodred]

Axekix wrote...
Wait, you don't get the mistress option if you put him on the throne alone?  What happens then?

No, you still do, but it's all hypothetical in that case.  Basically the conversations are just about the same as when you marry him to Anora.

For the record, even in a mistress ending, I can't marry him to Anora.  I just can't do that to him.

[Axekix]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Axekix wrote...
Hah!

Well I tried to play her as a bit of an avenger, sticking up for elven rights and what not... being reduced to the "king's mistress" just feels wrong in principle.  I dunno... I'd have a hard time justifying the mistress thing I think.

I hope you're laughing with me? 

Sure, we can go with that.

It might sound weird, but try not to think of him as the king?  He is still the Alistair your PC traveled with for a year and fell in love with.  Does your PC love him enough to fight to keep him?  It's an honest question.  If the answer is no, if they think it would be too difficult, you made the right choice.  But if the answer is yes, if what your PC and Alistair have trumps appearances, then staying with him is the best thing you can do for him and your PC.

And also, for a CEF, how many of your people in the alienage get to fall in love the way your PC did?  I don't think any of the PC's people would fault her for it.

Hmm, is that the way you play your CEF/Alistair endings?  I suppose I can see that.  Though the socioeconomic issues between elves and humans still leaves me a bit uncomfortable with the mistress  title.

[cmessaz]

As much as I hate to admit it....this is sort of sexy.

[sabreene]

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
Axekix: I'm actually sort of glad you feel that way. Now you know where we're coming from. I think if you choose the right options, Alistair will still mention at times how he's in love with you even at the gates and stuff. And now you see the bittersweetness of an Alistair romance. 'Tis most sad, is it not? I romance him with chars other than a HNF, but it does give the romance a tragic air to it.

I'm not!  That ending totally ruined the char for me.  I might as well delete her.  I may go back with her and finish a F/F romance with Leliana instead.  I still don't totally get the attraction to him, but I will admit there is a huge emotional payoff in the end, if that's your thing.

Awww.  Don't feel that way.  I mean it's a good thing in that it impacted you.  It wouldn't upset you so much if you didn't care.  It's okay.  Embrace it.  We'll be here to catch you.  If it upsets you that much, just know that if you do choose the mistress ending, he is wicked happy.  He will finally seize happiness for himself, and he has some really cute lines.

I know I've said it before, but I'll repeat it here.  He has never had anyone fight to keep him for him.  It's the first time that someone puts him before everything else, and it means a lot to him.  Might I suggest going back and redoing the ending to be his mistress?  It might change your mind when you see how totally in love he still is with you.

Hah!

Well I tried to play her as a bit of an avenger, sticking up for elven rights and what not... being reduced to the "king's mistress" just feels wrong in principle.  I dunno... I'd have a hard time justifying the mistress thing I think.

I think it's the word "mistress", as it bring up bad connotations such as the bimbos we see strewn across the tabloids connected to Jesese James and Tiger Words and whatnot.

In a  strictly political marriage, the whole balance of power is different. It is not a "mistress" in the sense of the word "homewrecker", or someone of lesser power in the relationship. The political marriage is an alliance, to stabilize the country. They don't even have to see each other except for public appearances, and can lead completely separate lives. They would not be sharing a bed chamber, as most kings and queens did not anyway.

If you don't see it as being "reduced" to something, then it plays out differently. Your character is not defined by the status of her relationship, she is defined by her character and what she does in life. And really, she would have slightly more power as she is free to come and go, and even to decide to leave the relationship, while he is tied to the country and to a woman he dislikes.

[Axekix]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Axekix wrote...
Well, it's not so much resenting Alistair for the act... more so, it's about the issues that could cause later on.  Who's to say he wouldn't develop feelings for his new wife?  Anora's not exactly dogchow

And even if not, for the sake of public appearances she's the one always at his side.  It seems like it could be a bit much to deal with.

Can it put a strain in the relationship?  Absolutely.  It's up to your PC and Alistair work through it, if you think it's worth fighting for.

As for developing feelings for his new wife, it has nothing to do with looks.  Alistair does not like Anora.  He will suck it up and make it work if he has to, but he loves your character.  He will always love your character.  He is absolutely heartbroken at losing your PC.  If the characters stay together, I don't see that changing.

They seemed to get along pretty well in the epilogue cards as far as I can tell.  It wouldn't surprise me if he warmed to her over time tbh.  Aside from her father's ruthlessness (which can be seen as a positive in some ways) she's got a lot of good qualities.

Then what's to say Morrigan falls out of love with you given enough time? She's good looking, and could probably have any man she wants, without the drama of him caring to much for you. I wouldn't be surprised if by the time you see her again she doesn't care for you anymore.

It's possible, but you even get an epilogue card about her reaching out to the PC through her ring.  There's no real immediate threat to her love for you.  In Alistair's case, you know there will be another woman... potentially several.  I'd say the risks are much greater there.

[sabreene]

cmessaz wrote...

As much as I hate to admit it....this is sort of sexy.

what mod is that from? I hate to admit it too, but it is rather nice. Kind of like a cross between Loghain & Nathaniel.

[cmessaz]

sabreene wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

As much as I hate to admit it....this is sort of sexy.

what mod is that from? I hate to admit it too, but it is rather nice. Kind of like a cross between Loghain & Nathaniel.

http://www.dragonage...file.php?id=688

[LadyDamodred]

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Axekix wrote...
Hah!

Well I tried to play her as a bit of an avenger, sticking up for elven rights and what not... being reduced to the "king's mistress" just feels wrong in principle.  I dunno... I'd have a hard time justifying the mistress thing I think.

I hope you're laughing with me? 

Sure, we can go with that.

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
It might sound weird, but try not to think of him as the king?  He is still the Alistair your PC traveled with for a year and fell in love with.  Does your PC love him enough to fight to keep him?  It's an honest question.  If the answer is no, if they think it would be too difficult, you made the right choice.  But if the answer is yes, if what your PC and Alistair have trumps appearances, then staying with him is the best thing you can do for him and your PC.

And also, for a CEF, how many of your people in the alienage get to fall in love the way your PC did?  I don't think any of the PC's people would fault her for it.

Hmm, is that the way you play your CEF/Alistair endings?  I suppose I can see that.  Though the socioeconomic issues between elves and humans still leaves me a bit uncomfortable with the mistress  title.

I haven't romanced him as CEF yet, just as the HNF and the EMF (for extra angst).  But it's how I would RP if/when I do.  And like others have said, a mistress in this situation is different than how we normally use the word today.

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 17 mai 2010 - 04:21 .

[Kryyptehk]

Axekix wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Axekix wrote...
Well, it's not so much resenting Alistair for the act... more so, it's about the issues that could cause later on.  Who's to say he wouldn't develop feelings for his new wife?  Anora's not exactly dogchow

And even if not, for the sake of public appearances she's the one always at his side.  It seems like it could be a bit much to deal with.

Can it put a strain in the relationship?  Absolutely.  It's up to your PC and Alistair work through it, if you think it's worth fighting for.

As for developing feelings for his new wife, it has nothing to do with looks.  Alistair does not like Anora.  He will suck it up and make it work if he has to, but he loves your character.  He will always love your character.  He is absolutely heartbroken at losing your PC.  If the characters stay together, I don't see that changing.

They seemed to get along pretty well in the epilogue cards as far as I can tell.  It wouldn't surprise me if he warmed to her over time tbh.  Aside from her father's ruthlessness (which can be seen as a positive in some ways) she's got a lot of good qualities.

Then what's to say Morrigan falls out of love with you given enough time? She's good looking, and could probably have any man she wants, without the drama of him caring to much for you. I wouldn't be surprised if by the time you see her again she doesn't care for you anymore.

It's possible, but you even get an epilogue card about her reaching out to the PC through her ring.  There's no real immediate threat to her love for you.  In Alistair's case, you know there will be another woman... potentially several.  I'd say the risks are much greater there.

If you marry Alistair to Anora, yes, but if not then you will be together like normal, just not married. And she isn't reaching out, you just feel her sorrow and regret. Knowing Morrigan, I'd bet it was regret for falling in love with you and putting herself in such a situation. Being a sole ruler's mistress is a lot better than having your love not wanting to be around you.

[Axekix]

LadyDamodred wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
It might sound weird, but try not to think of him as the king?  He is still the Alistair your PC traveled with for a year and fell in love with.  Does your PC love him enough to fight to keep him?  It's an honest question.  If the answer is no, if they think it would be too difficult, you made the right choice.  But if the answer is yes, if what your PC and Alistair have trumps appearances, then staying with him is the best thing you can do for him and your PC.

And also, for a CEF, how many of your people in the alienage get to fall in love the way your PC did?  I don't think any of the PC's people would fault her for it.

Axekix wrote...
Hmm, is that the way you play your CEF/Alistair endings?  I suppose I can see that.  Though the socioeconomic issues between elves and humans still leaves me a bit uncomfortable with the mistress  title.

I haven't romanced him as CEF yet, just as the HNF and the EMF (for extra angst).  But it's how I would RP if/when I do.  And like others have said, a mistress in this situation is different than how we normally use the word today.

Yeah that's true.  Sabereen's post helped give me some perspective in that sense.  I might give the mistress thing a try.  In some ways I can see it does put a lot of the "power" in the relationship in the PC's hands.

[sabreene]

Axekix wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Axekix wrote...
Well, it's not so much resenting Alistair for the act... more so, it's about the issues that could cause later on.  Who's to say he wouldn't develop feelings for his new wife?  Anora's not exactly dogchow

And even if not, for the sake of public appearances she's the one always at his side.  It seems like it could be a bit much to deal with.

Can it put a strain in the relationship?  Absolutely.  It's up to your PC and Alistair work through it, if you think it's worth fighting for.

As for developing feelings for his new wife, it has nothing to do with looks.  Alistair does not like Anora.  He will suck it up and make it work if he has to, but he loves your character.  He will always love your character.  He is absolutely heartbroken at losing your PC.  If the characters stay together, I don't see that changing.

They seemed to get along pretty well in the epilogue cards as far as I can tell.  It wouldn't surprise me if he warmed to her over time tbh.  Aside from her father's ruthlessness (which can be seen as a positive in some ways) she's got a lot of good qualities.

Then what's to say Morrigan falls out of love with you given enough time? She's good looking, and could probably have any man she wants, without the drama of him caring to much for you. I wouldn't be surprised if by the time you see her again she doesn't care for you anymore.

It's possible, but you even get an epilogue card about her reaching out to the PC through her ring.  There's no real immediate threat to her love for you.  In Alistair's case, you know there will be another woman... potentially several.  I'd say the risks are much greater there.

Not to sound jaded, but there are usually other women when it comes to men. With Alistair, if he's alive, there has already been 1 other woman. We love Alistair because he's a sweetheart, but he's still a man, and sex does NOT equal love when it comes to men. He may have to go out for stud service, and that definitely sucks, but if your character is still the one he's in love then my characters usually trust him to not have a wandering heart.

[Axekix]

Kryyptehk wrote...

If you marry Alistair to Anora, yes, but if not then you will be together like normal, just not married. And she isn't reaching out, you just feel her sorrow and regret. Knowing Morrigan, I'd bet it was regret for falling in love with you and putting herself in such a situation. Being a sole ruler's mistress is a lot better than having your love not wanting to be around you.

Have you played the Morri romance?  Because I never got that impression.  It seems much more like she leaves because she has to (for reasons unknown atm).  It never came off to me as her not "wanting" to be around the PC.

[LadyDamodred]

I think you will be pleased at his reaction with the mistress then. And tell him he has to "earn" your forgiveness.



And if he's marrying Anora, you get the 'affectionate nuzzle' line, which is the best VO direction in the game. XD

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...

It's possible, but you even get an epilogue card about her reaching out to the PC through her ring.  There's no real immediate threat to her love for you.  In Alistair's case, you know there will be another woman... potentially several.  I'd say the risks are much greater there.

The mistress epilogues with Alistair can be more romantic than those with a Warden Queen.  For DEF, who went to rebuild the Wardens, it said that at one point Alistair came to join her and never left her side.  For my HNF, it says he went to Weisshaupt and hoped to be back at her side.

In any case, seeing the LI frequently (every day if you remain as chancellor) vs. potentially never finding Morrigan again, and you still think the chances are greater that Alistair could fall for someone else?

[KnightofPhoenix]

sabreene wrote...
Not to sound jaded, but there are usually other women when it comes to men. With Alistair, if he's alive, there has already been 1 other woman. We love Alistair because he's a sweetheart, but he's still a man, and sex does NOT equal love when it comes to men. He may have to go out for stud service, and that definitely sucks, but if your character is still the one he's in love then my characters usually trust him to not have a wandering heart.

That's a pretty cynical and generalised view.
And as a man, I strongly disagree. For me, intercourse is one of the many forms, and one of the most intimate, of expressing love.

The activity without love is like a....hamburger without meat. Sure the bread is tasty, but it has little purpose without the actual hamburger.   

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 17 mai 2010 - 04:30 .

[Kryyptehk]

Axekix wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

If you marry Alistair to Anora, yes, but if not then you will be together like normal, just not married. And she isn't reaching out, you just feel her sorrow and regret. Knowing Morrigan, I'd bet it was regret for falling in love with you and putting herself in such a situation. Being a sole ruler's mistress is a lot better than having your love not wanting to be around you.

Have you played the Morri romance?  Because I never got that impression.  It seems much more like she leaves because she has to (for reasons unknown atm).  It never came off to me as her not "wanting" to be around the PC.

Yes, I've played it and there's nothing making her go. It's just the stuff she wants to keep from you. I personally loved her romance but with Alistair he has a reason that he thinks he has to leave you. He doesn't want to be unfaithful to his wife (if you don't convince him to be) or he doesn't want to reduce you to a concubine (same). Morrigan's reasons are because of her lies.

But I hate liars, so my guy ended up leaving Morrigan to be King because his mindset was that he wasn't going to fight for a woman who was fighting so hard to get away from him.

[Axekix]

sabreene wrote...

Not to sound jaded, but there are usually other women when it comes to men. With Alistair, if he's alive, there has already been 1 other woman. We love Alistair because he's a sweetheart, but he's still a man, and sex does NOT equal love when it comes to men. He may have to go out for stud service, and that definitely sucks, but if your character is still the one he's in love then my characters usually trust him to not have a wandering heart.

Hey, some of us happen to be happy with being monogamous!  At least as far as serious relationships go. 

[Kryyptehk]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

sabreene wrote...
Not to sound jaded, but there are usually other women when it comes to men. With Alistair, if he's alive, there has already been 1 other woman. We love Alistair because he's a sweetheart, but he's still a man, and sex does NOT equal love when it comes to men. He may have to go out for stud service, and that definitely sucks, but if your character is still the one he's in love then my characters usually trust him to not have a wandering heart.

That's a pretty cynical and generalised view.
And as a man, I strongly disagree. For me, intercourse is one of the many forms, and one of the most intimate, of expressing love.

The activity without love is like a....hamburger without meat. Sure the bread is tasty, but it has little purpose without the actual hamburger.   

KoP, you're awesome. It's a shame most men aren't like you. But a lot of research has shown that most men cheat on their significant others. And that is just the ones that admit it.

EDIT: Top of the page. I just got Fraps figured out so I only have a pic of Alistair and my CEF

Modifié par Kryyptehk, 17 mai 2010 - 04:34 .