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[sylvanaerie]

klarabella wrote...

I like DA redesigned version of Anders

Makes him look unique.

ummm no...just...no

I like that Anders has a unique facial structure.  The one on the right is too "pretty boy" for my tastes.   See this violates what I dislike, total facial reconstruction...I LIKE the NPCs with their little flaws and quirks. Things that totally change them (like nose jobs, eyes etc) that can't be explained away like scruffy or hairstyles...
NO....just no

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 17 mai 2010 - 02:55 .

[nos_astra]

sylvanaerie wrote...

klarabella wrote...
I like DA redesigned version of Anders
Makes him look unique.

ummm no...just...no
I like that Anders has a unique facial structure.  The one on the right is too "pretty boy" for my tastes.

Ok, I can accept that.

I find the original looks too much like Alistair and the "pretty boy" thing goes well with what I know of his personality. (It isn't much as I didn't play through Awakening, maybe I'll reconsider.)

Modifié par klarabella, 17 mai 2010 - 02:58 .

[SurelyForth]

klarabella wrote...

I like DA redesigned version of Anders

Makes him look unique.

He looks great, but it's too different for me. I would only like a less obvious nose. Like I said before, I  his design. The redesigned version even changed his ears, which is my favorite thing about him (because I am a big weird weird-o).

Addai67 wrote...

Morning all. Of course, I hesitate to contribute to the mythical power of cat purring to revive a thread...

Good morning! And it's not just cat purring, it's entirely canon for Pounce and Anders to have the ability to revive!

[sylvanaerie]

klarabella wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

klarabella wrote...
I like DA redesigned version of Anders
Makes him look unique.

ummm no...just...no
I like that Anders has a unique facial structure.  The one on the right is too "pretty boy" for my tastes.

Ok, I can accept that.

I find the original looks too much like Alistair and the "pretty boy" thing goes well with what I know of his personality.

See I don't SEE Alistair in him, I don't get that.  When I first saw the character I thought he did a little but once you spend time with him, he becomes his own unique character.  I don't have to change his looks for it.
Aside from the snark Alistair and Anders have NOTHING in common, so I can see a difference there.

and pretty boy...no.  If you like him that way, that's cool, have fun but for me blech!  I like Anders' little flaws and quirks in his facial structure.  It gives him character (to me).  Just as I wouldn't change Nathaniel or Teagan's or Alistair's faces.

Leliana, Morrigan yea I can play switcharound with.  maybe even Wynne (though she is pretty set in my game)> I am even trying out Serissia's Sten (and liking him) but some faces i just can't modify.

[tmp7704]

klarabella wrote...

Just in case tmp looks in here.





At first I thought it was Symmetrical Armor, because I still use it for the male armor and put tmp's proportion fix into the toolsetexport folder. I removed Symmetrical Armor but it still looks odd.

Hmm the gloves not lining up with the arms is fairly simple -- if the armour is using its own custom .mmh + .msh file (the .msh file defines 3d shape and .mmh file defines associated material and such) then that custom combination is most likely to copy proportions from the default game, i.e. the arms more spread apart and whatnot.

That split in the waist on the other hand, that seems like error with the model that slipped past me because it's less pronounced on the elves and i was using the elf shape for the tests. Will fix that and post updated version later today. Sorry about the inconvenience

[Addai]

I don't like modded Anders, either.  Sometimes I even miss vanilla Alistair for nostalgia's sake.  Not enough to ditch Maricstair, however.

Have any of you used this shapeshifting mod?  I would really like my new DEF, Idun, to be a wolf-shifter.

Just how much mindfreak is this going to cause the poor ex-templar boy, I wonder?  It's one thing to fall in love with a nice law-abiding Circle healer, but a Dalish apostate woman who can turn into a wolf in front of his eyes...!  I can just see the look on his face the first time she does that in battle. 

My theory is that on some level it is going to mindfreak him in all the right ways.   Teases the inner rebel in him.  [teagan] Among many other things. [/teagan]  I can hear Oghren's prurient questioning of him now.

Modifié par Addai67, 17 mai 2010 - 03:08 .

[nos_astra]

I don't like many changes on my Origins companions, athough now most of them are slightly modded. Alistair with added scruff and younger looking complexion. (Maricstair is ok, too.) Morrigan from the one special SA version with the subtle changes that make her look more realistic. Leliana from the same SA version is pretty much my canon, can't imagine her any other way now. Sten a bit less old and grumpy. Wynne a little older.

Since I don't know the Awakening companions very well, I can stomach complete redesigns on them. I bet if I had played through Awakening and become attached to them, I would probably be as hesitant as I am about changing the Origins companions.

Modifié par klarabella, 17 mai 2010 - 03:08 .

[sylvanaerie]

Addai67 wrote...

I don't like modded Anders, either.  Sometimes I even miss vanilla Alistair for nostalgia's sake.  Not enough to ditch Maricstair, however.

Have any of you used this shapeshifting mod?  I would really like my new DEF, Idun, to be a wolf-shifter.

Just how much mindfreak is this going to cause the poor ex-templar boy, I wonder?  It's one thing to fall in love with a nice law-abiding Circle healer, but a Dalish apostate woman who can turn into a wolf in front of his eyes...!  I can just see the look on his face the first time she does that in battle. 

My theory is that on some level it is going to mindfreak him in all the right ways.   Teases the inner rebel in him.  [teagan] Among many other things. [/teagan]

heheh Teagan is a great rolemodel.  I doubt Alistair would have had such a sh*tty childhood if Teagan had been more involved in the raising of him.  He's the ONLY Guerrin who seems to genuinely care for the boy.

[Addai]

sylvanaerie wrote...

heheh Teagan is a great rolemodel.  I doubt Alistair would have had such a sh*tty childhood if Teagan had been more involved in the raising of him.  He's the ONLY Guerrin who seems to genuinely care for the boy.

I agree!  It's too bad really.

And for my mage characters especially, Alistair gets to overhear Teagan's flirting.  Not that he doesn't come around to "bravery" on his own, but I figure it spurs some healthy sense of jealous competitiveness.

[Serissia]

Teagan seems to care more in general about people. Eamon just happened to be in the right place at the right time to take credit for his father's and sister's work during the war w/ Orlais.

[sylvanaerie]

klarabella wrote...

I don't like many changes on my Origins companions, athough now most of them are slightly modded. Alistair with added scruff and younger looking complexion. (Maricstair is ok, too.) Morrigan from the one special SA version with the subtle changes that make her look more realistic. Leliana from the same SA version is pretty much my canon, can't imagine her any other way now. Sten a bit less old and grumpy. Wynne a little older.

Since I don't know the Awakening companions very well, I can stomach complete redesigns on them. I bet if I had played through Awakening and become attached to them, I would probably be as hesitant as I am about changing the Origins companions.

I can see that I guess.  I had only one Awakenings playthrough but due to so many bugs in the game I had a lot of deletes in it too.  Hence I ran through the first parts (with Anders and Nathaniel) like 6 times beforre I could finally work out all the bugs and work around them so I could finish it.  So by then, their faces had been "Set" for me.

[sylvanaerie]

Serissia wrote...

Teagan seems to care more in general about people. Eamon just happened to be in the right place at the right time to take credit for his father's and sister's work during the war w/ Orlais.

Man after running unhardened Alistair throuigh the landsmeet, I will always wish I could just have Zevran finish the job Jowan started and making Teagan Arl of Redcliffe.

[SurelyForth]

sylvanaerie wrote...

See I don't SEE Alistair in him, I don't get that.  When I first saw the character I thought he did a little but once you spend time with him, he becomes his own unique character.  I don't have to change his looks for it.
Aside from the snark Alistair and Anders have NOTHING in common, so I can see a difference there.

and pretty boy...no.  If you like him that way, that's cool, have fun but for me blech!  I like Anders' little flaws and quirks in his facial structure.  It gives him character (to me).  Just as I wouldn't change Nathaniel or Teagan's or Alistair's faces.

I do see Alistair in him, and in certain aspects of his personality (like the snark is not just snark, but is something he uses the exact same way Alistair uses it) so I have to compartmentalize them in order to keep them really separate in my head. Now I have a Distinctly Anders and a Distinctly Alistair thing going and sometimes they overlap, but they are pretty much set. One thing that is Distinctly Anders is that he's not as handsome as Alistair but he has so much more more confidence and is into cultivating his appearance. I think pretty Anders would undermine that.

And, to justify such overanalysis, Anders is almost as central to my story as Alistair, so I've done a fair bit freelance obsessing (because Alistair obsessing is more like an 8-5 job, I guess).

[Addai]

sabreene wrote...

I'm trying out some new armor. Alistair in black?

I love Alistair in black.    I squee'ed seeing him in the black Runic Armor, too.  The coloring needs to be a bit rougher to look realistic, but it's still very hot.  It's one reason I put him in Warden Shadow Armor early in the game.

My HNF showing him off in it.  All those snooty noblewomen that would have turned their noses up at him when he was a brat at Eamon's court... eat your heart out, ladies.

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...

[I love Alistair in black.    I squee'ed seeing him in the black Runic Armor, too.  The coloring needs to be a bit rougher to look realistic, but it's still very hot.  It's one reason I put him in Warden Shadow Armor early in the game.

My HNF showing him off in it.  All those snooty noblewomen that would have turned their noses up at him when he was a brat at Eamon's court... eat your heart out, ladies.

Oh, the hardship of being a PC who favors light or medium armor when Alistair is in massive. He looks like a Big Damned Hero and you might as well be wearing jeans.

[Serissia]

sylvanaerie wrote...
Man after running unhardened Alistair throuigh the landsmeet, I will always wish I could just have Zevran finish the job Jowan started and making Teagan Arl of Redcliffe.

I have a lot of mixed emotions concerning Eamon.  While I was playing my mage Eamon seemed genuinely sincere during his Fade sequence and yet his thanks afterward remained hallow.  Regardless if it's Eamon's personality or bad design, Eamon comes across as shallow and self serving during the Landsmeet.

Additionally, Eamon's game time-line doesn't match Gaider's book time-line.  In the books Eamon met Isolde near the end of the War.  For Isolde to be so much younger than he is she would of had to have been ridiculously young when they met... like 12-14.  While I suppose that is plausible it didn't come across to me as being such.  Her reasoning for falling for Eamon being that he was a dashing rebel fighting to free his home land from Orlesian oppression.  This seems more the flight of fancy of a young woman 16-18.

Isolde had no idea that Eamon was the rightful heir to the lands of Redcliff in which her own family then maintained.  She stayed in Ferelden when her family fled because she was in love with Eamon.  They were married shortly after Maric's coronation to some of the nobilities dismay (which no doubt included Loghain). 

Long story short, Eamon's, Isolde's and Connor's ages seem severely off in the game.

Modifié par Serissia, 17 mai 2010 - 03:32 .

[sylvanaerie]

SurelyForth wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

See I don't SEE Alistair in him, I don't get that.  When I first saw the character I thought he did a little but once you spend time with him, he becomes his own unique character.  I don't have to change his looks for it.
Aside from the snark Alistair and Anders have NOTHING in common, so I can see a difference there.

and pretty boy...no.  If you like him that way, that's cool, have fun but for me blech!  I like Anders' little flaws and quirks in his facial structure.  It gives him character (to me).  Just as I wouldn't change Nathaniel or Teagan's or Alistair's faces.

I do see Alistair in him, and in certain aspects of his personality (like the snark is not just snark, but is something he uses the exact same way Alistair uses it) so I have to compartmentalize them in order to keep them really separate in my head. Now I have a Distinctly Anders and a Distinctly Alistair thing going and sometimes they overlap, but they are pretty much set. One thing that is Distinctly Anders is that he's not as handsome as Alistair but he has so much more more confidence and is into cultivating his appearance. I think pretty Anders would undermine that.

And, to justify such overanalysis, Anders is almost as central to my story as Alistair, so I've done a fair bit freelance obsessing (because Alistair obsessing is more like an 8-5 job, I guess).

yea the only way I see any resemblence is both are blonde, have similar facial structure and both snark to hide their deeper feelings.  Once I started interacting with Anders (esp after 6 start and stops) I really stopped seeing them as similar and found enough differences to compartmentalize them. 
And yes I think Alistair is physically more attractive than Anders though Anders probably obsesses over his appearance more.  
In attractiveness by personality I like them both (not equally, I like Alistair more) but I do find both of them more attractive the more I got to know the characters.
Nate was the same way.  The more I got to know him, the sexier he became for me till his face became "Set".  No more Rendon Howe associations. 

Damn now I want to play Awakenings and I have NO girls ready to launch *sigh*  Why are the men in this game SO sexy?????

[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...

Oh, the hardship of being a PC who favors light or medium armor when Alistair is in massive. He looks like a Big Damned Hero and you might as well be wearing jeans.

LOL  I have no such problems, since I don't like the look of my femWardens in massive armor.  The Shadow armor is classy enough for me.  A rogue is supposed to blend in, after all.

[Nu-Nu]

klarabella wrote...

I like DA redesigned version of Anders

Makes him look unique.

We all know that Anders is an attempt to subsitute Alistair for future expansion/sequel but it's going to be an epic fail.  I'm not easily tricked by your trickery bioware lol   God I really hope that's not what Bioware was planning when they created Anders.

And Velanna is subsitue for Morrigan 

Morrigan has to have a happy ending otherwise they don't need to give Alistair a happy ending either because you have to balance it out between male and female wardens.

I hope I get a heppy ending for Alistair with the warden.

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Oh, the hardship of being a PC who favors light or medium armor when Alistair is in massive. He looks like a Big Damned Hero and you might as well be wearing jeans.

LOL  I have no such problems, since I don't like the look of my femWardens in massive armor.  The Shadow armor is classy enough for me.  A rogue is supposed to blend in, after all.

And I guess I circumvent the problem by making him dress like my PC! Right now Lu Amell is in the Witches Robes and he's in the Chasind Robes, and I wasn't even thinking about it. I can see these becoming dragonbone splintmail all over again, if I let it.

[sylvanaerie]

is there something wrong with me or am i the ONLY one who sees these Awakenings people as different? The only thing Anders and Alistair have in common personality wise is snarkieness and general coloring. They could have easily made him dark haired but I suspect they didn't because you get one darkhaired companion in Nathaniel already.

And Velanna...has Morrigans' hairdo and is a mage. That's it. Morrigan was a survivalist/pragmatist as much as her limiited world view allows her. She would never go all kill crazy on merchant caravans.

[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...

And I guess I circumvent the problem by making him dress like my PC! Right now Lu Amell is in the Witches Robes and he's in the Chasind Robes, and I wasn't even thinking about it. I can see these becoming dragonbone splintmail all over again, if I let it.

Let's see a screenshot!

I really shouldn't be selfishly putting the Chasind robe on Idun.  The robe you get in the Dalish mage mod origin is just the Chasind robe with a +1 magic and +1 willpower.  I'm being selfish because I like the +6 defense (a fireball chucker gets a lot of aggro), but it's really only hurting myself and my PC by depriving us of Chasind-robe Maricstair.  *sigh*

Modifié par Addai67, 17 mai 2010 - 03:43 .

[Serissia]

sylvanaerie wrote...

is there something wrong with me or am i the ONLY one who sees these Awakenings people as different? The only thing Anders and Alistair have in common personality wise is snarkieness and general coloring. They could have easily made him dark haired but I suspect they didn't because you get one darkhaired companion in Nathaniel already.
And Velanna...has Morrigans' hairdo and is a mage. That's it. Morrigan was a survivalist/pragmatist as much as her limiited world view allows her. She would never go all kill crazy on merchant caravans.

I honestly think it was more them being lazy than it being an intentional subliminal message. I don't have Ander's core base model atm but I'm guessing he's at least partially Cailan. Like Alistair is 50% Cailan and 50% Daveth.

Modifié par Serissia, 17 mai 2010 - 03:44 .

[nos_astra]

SurelyForth wrote...
I do see Alistair in him, and in certain aspects of his personality (like the snark is not just snark, but is something he uses the exact same way Alistair uses it) so I have to compartmentalize them in order to keep them really separate in my head. Now I have a Distinctly Anders and a Distinctly Alistair thing going and sometimes they overlap, but they are pretty much set. One thing that is Distinctly Anders is that he's not as handsome as Alistair but he has so much more more confidence and is into cultivating his appearance. I think pretty Anders would undermine that.

NOOOO, you just killed my I-don't-care-attitude with logic. Now I can't mod Anders. *grumpily removes the Anders headmorph*

[Addai]

sylvanaerie wrote...

is there something wrong with me or am i the ONLY one who sees these Awakenings people as different? The only thing Anders and Alistair have in common personality wise is snarkieness and general coloring. They could have easily made him dark haired but I suspect they didn't because you get one darkhaired companion in Nathaniel already.
 

Anders' sense of humor reminds me of Alistair, but otherwise they're completely different in my mind.  Actually I can't say I have much picture of any of the Awakening companions because the interaction is so scant.  They're Warden underlings you worked with on a tricky mission, that's about it and I guess that's all they're meant to be.

Modifié par Addai67, 17 mai 2010 - 03:54 .