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[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
It just goes to show how low he can sink without the Warden around. 

Oh so NOW he is hopeless without the PC.

Yes, I've come over to your side, KoP.  Enjoy it while the rage lasts.

[Kryyptehk]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

He lets Alastair (or Dr. Blight as I have decided to call him in the AU) take the final blow after weakening it. Howe lives and becomes king in the aftermath.

All hail king Howe!

I can live with KoP liking Loghain, but how anyone can cheer Howe is...beyond me.

Tim friggin Curry. I rest my case.

No. Bad Uhl! Howe =/= Curry. Curry is way more awesome than Howe. He just lends Howe his voice:pinched:.

[nos_astra]

Kryyptehk wrote...

klarabella wrote...
I just bought it. I'm such a pushover. Wasn't I one of those who screamed I'LL NEVER BUY THIS CRAP!

Please tell me I'm not the only one not buying it? I still see no worth in it.

3,49€ is nothing. It's worth a pack of cigarettes and I don't even smoke.

I'm a weak, weak woman. I am.

Modifié par klarabella, 18 mai 2010 - 04:23 .

[tmp7704]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

It's weird when you also have no problem sparing the man that was his second and was behind most of his actions.

Howe didn't personally try to kill Alistair, nor was he the one to actively betray the king etc. You can charge him with the slaver deal probably and the Highever (which is somewhat murky given Couslands had rebelled against the Howes in the first place) but well, i can see why Alistair could be more inclined to spare this guy. They don't have personal point of conflict.

[Lady Jess]

klarabella wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

klarabella wrote...
I just bought it. I'm such a pushover. Wasn't I one of those who screamed I'LL NEVER BUY THIS CRAP!

Please tell me I'm not the only one not buying it? I still see no worth in it.

3,49€ is nothing. It's worth a pack of cigarettes and I don't even smoke.

I'm a weak, weak woman. I am.

They already HAD my money...I bought like 1600 points back when I got the game over the winter >.<

[rak72]

Kryyptehk wrote...

klarabella wrote...

I just bought it. I'm such a pushover. Wasn't I one of those who screamed I'LL NEVER BUY THIS CRAP!

Please tell me I'm not the only one not buying it? I still see no worth in it.

I'm still with you Kry.  No way in hell I'm going to support this trash.  And if Al and Lel were such an unstopable couple, why didn't they hook up if the PC romanced Zev or Mo?  Screw you Bioware - no way!!

[KnightofPhoenix]

tmp7704 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

It's weird when you also have no problem sparing the man that was his second and was behind most of his actions.

Howe didn't personally try to kill Alistair, nor was he the one to actively betray the king etc. You can charge him with the slaver deal probably and the Highever (which is somewhat murky given Couslands had rebelled against the Howes in the first place) but well, i can see why Alistair could be more inclined to spare this guy. They don't have personal point of conflict.

Sure. So Alistair's action is purely selfish and is not based on any real objective and impartial pragmatism and any sense of justice.

Still an idiot in my pov.

EDIT: Oh and those who set traps for Warden supporters in the Pearl are Howe's elites. Riordan was captured and tortured by Howe as well. Howe was a clear enemy of the Wardens.  

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 18 mai 2010 - 04:29 .

[Kryyptehk]

tmp7704 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

It's weird when you also have no problem sparing the man that was his second and was behind most of his actions.

Howe didn't personally try to kill Alistair, nor was he the one to actively betray the king etc. You can charge him with the slaver deal probably and the Highever (which is somewhat murky given Couslands had rebelled against the Howes in the first place) but well, i can see why Alistair could be more inclined to spare this guy. They don't have personal point of conflict.

It is more pragmatic choice than letting Loghain live, at least with Alistair. I mean, HE doesn't have any knowledge of Howe betraying anyone, whereas he has concrete proof of Loghain betraying his son-in-law and committing treason.

I wonder if he crowns Anora since the PC isn't around to harden him?

[rak72]

Kryyptehk wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

It's weird when you also have no problem sparing the man that was his second and was behind most of his actions.

Howe didn't personally try to kill Alistair, nor was he the one to actively betray the king etc. You can charge him with the slaver deal probably and the Highever (which is somewhat murky given Couslands had rebelled against the Howes in the first place) but well, i can see why Alistair could be more inclined to spare this guy. They don't have personal point of conflict.

It is more pragmatic choice than letting Loghain live, at least with Alistair. I mean, HE doesn't have any knowledge of Howe betraying anyone, whereas he has concrete proof of Loghain betraying his son-in-law and committing treason.

I wonder if he crowns Anora since the PC isn't around to harden him?

Maybe Lel hardened him.  Fereldan can go up in flames for all I care now

[Lady Jess]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

It's weird when you also have no problem sparing the man that was his second and was behind most of his actions.

Howe didn't personally try to kill Alistair, nor was he the one to actively betray the king etc. You can charge him with the slaver deal probably and the Highever (which is somewhat murky given Couslands had rebelled against the Howes in the first place) but well, i can see why Alistair could be more inclined to spare this guy. They don't have personal point of conflict.

Sure. So Alistair's action is purely selfish and is not based on any real objective and impartial pragmatism and any sense of justice.

Still an idiot in my pov.

EDIT: Oh and those who set traps for Warden supporters in the Pearl are Howe's elites. Riordan was caputred and torutred by Howe as well. So no, Alsitair is a fool.  

Again...Loghain might be in here, you don't know that yet.

[Kryyptehk]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

It's weird when you also have no problem sparing the man that was his second and was behind most of his actions.

Howe didn't personally try to kill Alistair, nor was he the one to actively betray the king etc. You can charge him with the slaver deal probably and the Highever (which is somewhat murky given Couslands had rebelled against the Howes in the first place) but well, i can see why Alistair could be more inclined to spare this guy. They don't have personal point of conflict.

Sure. So Alistair's action is purely selfish and is not based on any real objective and impartial pragmatism.

Still an idiot in my pov.

How is letting Loghain live pragmatic? Loghain would seem nuts to someone who has only encountered him a couple of times. He's going on about the Orlesians when they have a Blight and a civil war to deal with. Not to mention the betrayl thing I mentioned in my above post. How could Alistair trust him at his back when he killed his half-brother?

[SurelyForth]

Happy 900!

[KnightofPhoenix]

Lady Jess wrote...
Again...Loghain might be in here, you don't know that yet.

If he did spare him, then Alistair has a sad case of schizophrenia and mental unstability. Wouldn't make him look any better.

 

[nos_astra]

SurelyForth wrote...

Happy 900!

That's not a happy picture.

Modifié par klarabella, 18 mai 2010 - 04:31 .

[Lady Jess]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...
Again...Loghain might be in here, you don't know that yet.

If he did spare him, then Alistair has a sad case of schizophrenia and mental unstability. Wouldn't make him look any better.

 

This is AU however, this Alistair wouldn't be THAT Alistair...flip side of the story here.

[Kryyptehk]

KoP, about your edit, what's to say that Howe doesn't lie and say that he believed Loghain and thought that the Wardens had betrayed the king? Torturing "the enemy" isn't exactly uncommon.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Kryyptehk wrote...
How is letting Loghain live pragmatic? Loghain would seem nuts to someone who has only encountered him a couple of times. He's going on about the Orlesians when they have a Blight and a civil war to deal with. Not to mention the betrayl thing I mentioned in my above post. How could Alistair trust him at his back when he killed his half-brother?

Then how is trusting the man that was behind most of Loghain's plans pragmatic?
How is trusting the man that had Riordan tortured, that had his elites hunt Warden supporters, held a pseudo mafia ring in Denerim, pragmatic?

Howe was a clear accomplice and even architect behind Loghain, so if Alsitair wants to look like he is sane, he owuldn't trust either, not trust one over the other. That shows he is just motivated by selfish unreasonable lust for revenge.

[errant_knight]

Kryyptehk wrote...

klarabella wrote...

I just bought it. I'm such a pushover. Wasn't I one of those who screamed I'LL NEVER BUY THIS CRAP!

Please tell me I'm not the only one not buying it? I still see no worth in it.

No I'll never buy it. It makes no sense. Golems, werewolves, and now Howe? It's simply impossible to have gotten to that point in the game and have every single action be undone, or done out of character for the one who's supposedly leading.  The writers just negated every game decision without concern for whether is made any kind of sense or had any continuity. I'm not interested in giving them a vote to make more like this. But, wait...what do I mean, 'writers?' There's no writing. I should probably say 'fight designers.'

Modifié par errant_knight, 18 mai 2010 - 04:36 .

[TotoroTori]

Lady Jess wrote...

Oh!! first boss is Arl howe!!!! (yeah, I couldn't resist...I also fail at darkspawn and have just died. this crap is hard >.<)

WHAT! 

Why the hayday is Arl Howe still alive!

[KnightofPhoenix]

Kryyptehk wrote...

KoP, about your edit, what's to say that Howe doesn't lie and say that he believed Loghain and thought that the Wardens had betrayed the king? Torturing "the enemy" isn't exactly uncommon.

If he believes Howe over Eamon and others. then meeh.
Why didn't he believe that Loghain thought he was doing what was best for Ferelden? Of course he does not care what's best for Ferelden.

[rak72]

This AU is just the drug induced stupor of the PC when He/She lit up some Demonic Ilchor with Zev

[Kryyptehk]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...
How is letting Loghain live pragmatic? Loghain would seem nuts to someone who has only encountered him a couple of times. He's going on about the Orlesians when they have a Blight and a civil war to deal with. Not to mention the betrayl thing I mentioned in my above post. How could Alistair trust him at his back when he killed his half-brother?

Then how is trusting the man that was behind most of Loghain's plans pragmatic?
How is trusting the man that had Riordan tortured, that had his elites hunt Warden supporters, held a pseudo mafia ring in Denerim, pragmatic?

Howe was a clear accomplice and even architect behind Loghain, so if Alsitair wants to look like he is sane, he owuldn't trust either, not trust one over the other. That shows he is just motivated by selfish unreasonable lust for revenge.

Alistair doesn't know Howe was behind Loghain's schemes. He only has the word of the would-be queen who is trying to steal the throne from him and Riordan.

Also, we don't even know if he encountered Howe. He may have decided not to save Anora and never even saw Howe.

[Herr Uhl]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

KoP, about your edit, what's to say that Howe doesn't lie and say that he believed Loghain and thought that the Wardens had betrayed the king? Torturing "the enemy" isn't exactly uncommon.

If he believes Howe over Eamon and others. then meeh.
Why didn't he believe that Loghain thought he was doing what was best for Ferelden? Of course he does not care what's best for Ferelden.

Because he sees Loghain as the perpetrator behind the death of all but one of Ferelden's GW. Why should Loghain, Howe and Eamon be close to even footing with him?

[sylvanaerie]

Kryyptehk wrote...

klarabella wrote...

I just bought it. I'm such a pushover. Wasn't I one of those who screamed I'LL NEVER BUY THIS CRAP!

Please tell me I'm not the only one not buying it? I still see no worth in it.

Monkeys will fly out of my arse before I buy this peice of bovine excrement.  I don't use bongwater in my drinks

[nos_astra]

*watches the DLC wreaking havoc on the thread*
*munches popcorn*

I had my share of nerdrage. Somehow my attitude has changed from pissed to amused. I'm like Flemeth, don't mind me, I'm just insane.

Edit: ToP - Alistair is suspicious. I'm not going to crossdress as a darkspawn and kill you. Pinky swear!

Modifié par klarabella, 18 mai 2010 - 04:39 .