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[cmessaz]

I'll get Sten and Morrigan's posted in a sec. I'm still recovering from the horridness of the Leliana/Alistair thing.

[Lady Jess]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Wait...KoP you mean your admitting defeat just to preserve her status quo?

The Illusive Man disapproves - 10000
Morrigan disapproves -10, and approves 5

What defeat?

If Morrigan was the one who advised Alistair, that means she had very poor advice.

And TIM wouldn't dissaprove. The Status quo shows that without the PC, everyone fails, and TIM would approve.

She advised him. He still was the fool to lead his forces into battle, not Morrigan.

I think we could probably agree that noone in this game is intelligent except for the PC.

The whole thing is one ginormous weeenie stroke for the PC's ego.

Uhhh I don't happen to have that particular anatomy. It was just an hour long distraction...then back to the grind of the treaties/eamon/landsmeet

[TotoroTori]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I find it funny that they made Alistair decide the choices that the majority consider "bad" (I don't, but I don't see how he would do it). Is this supposed to teach us a lesson or something?

Ok, I will officially ask for all of your signatures in a collective and united declaration that all content in this DLC will not be considered at all worthwhile and is purely irrelevent. That means that I will not consider Alistair sparing Howe and slaughtering the Dalish and other decisions, nor will I consider that Alsitair secretly loves Leliana. In reciprocation, you people will not question Morrigan's invincibility and immortality, nor will you assume that she made Alistair's choices, as they evidently led to distaster.

I will be the first to sign. ~KoP~

I'll sign this as well !

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

If the premise is 'this is what would happen if the PC died' then please explain how, exactly, Loghain not charging, Eamon being poisoned until after the guy who hired him was dead, and every other random Alterntive History aspect was because of the PC?

If you can find another way to make this seem logical then please tell. Cauthrien would NEVER side with Alistair over Loghain before or even after the Landsmeet he kills him in.

I'm not saying that couldn't have happened, just that if the only difference is supposed to be you dying during your origin (too much illogic in dying during Joining) then every change will have to be because of the lack of a PC and some things we know happened because of the codex that do not make any sense. Eamon still gets poisoned but not before calling a Landsmeet even though he was already ill enough for Isolde to look for the ashes? Does. Not. Follow.

[KnightofPhoenix]

@ TotoroTori. I actually revoke my petition, as the DLC seems to prove that Loghain had the right idea when he did not charge at Ostagar. Until something else comes up and / or you grant some concessions, I revoke the contract.

[cmessaz]

[cmessaz]

Need I remind you KoP

[Sarah1281]

cmessaz wrote...

That seems to point to her not telling him what to do...unless she mocked his initial inclinations to the point he did the opposite?

[cmessaz]

[nos_astra]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

@ TotoroTori. I actually revoke my petition, as the DLC seems to prove that Loghain had the right idea when he did not charge at Ostagar. Until something else comes up and / or you grant some concessions, I revoke the contract.

The DLC is irrelevant. It merely proves that Bioware feeds their employees bong water.

[Sarah1281]

cmessaz wrote...

Need I remind you KoP

She's just unconscious!

[cmessaz]

[TotoroTori]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

@ TotoroTori. I actually revoke my petition, as the DLC seems to prove that Loghain had the right idea when he did not charge at Ostagar. Until something else comes up and / or you grant some concessions, I revoke the contract.

Oh.....>< sorry I guess I need to go back a bit; I was taking my dog out for a run walk

these Codex O_o

They feel so wrong....
personally I would rather want a DLC that goes to show what would have happened if Duncan wasn't there and I don't mean the whole dead thing I mean what path would they have walked...

[Kryyptehk]

Sarah1281 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

That seems to point to her not telling him what to do...unless she mocked his initial inclinations to the point he did the opposite?

That's what I was thinking. Alistair is very impressionable. She could have planted a seed of doubt in every decision he made. Leliana isn't exactly the kind of person who could convince him that Morrigan was wrong, considering she is just as impressionable.

[sylvanaerie]

klarabella wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

@ TotoroTori. I actually revoke my petition, as the DLC seems to prove that Loghain had the right idea when he did not charge at Ostagar. Until something else comes up and / or you grant some concessions, I revoke the contract.

The DLC is irrelevant. It merely proves that Bioware feeds their employees bong water.

LOL agreed.  I this theory!

[KnightofPhoenix]

Morrigan stayed for the lulz and got herself killed for this?! Where is all this "survival has meaning"?! This DLC is **** and not even the lulzy kind of ****.

[Costin_Razvan]

It doesn't make sense until you figure out Loghain charged at Ostagar. Then you realize what happened.

Alistair went directly to Eamon after Ostagar, without a delay of a few days/weeks to slow him down ( from the PCs recovery ). Thus he reached the Arl in time before he collapsed from his poison, and possibly found Jowan was the culprit.

Eamon calls a Landsmeet and declares Alistair King Maric's son. Civil war starts brewing and Alistair allies Howe, Anora and Cauthrien to stop it. Eamon eventually is killed by the poison as only Loghain knew about it, or Howe/Cauthrien don't care to stop it.

He gathers the armies, listening to Morrigan's advice in the Brecillian Forest and the Deep Roads about the Golems/Werewolves, or just finding her teasing so annoying he finally did as she proposed.

It IS plausible.

Knight: She stayed and actually convinced him to have his God baby.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 18 mai 2010 - 09:40 .

[cmessaz]

[Kryyptehk]

Sarah1281 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Need I remind you KoP

She's just unconscious!

Quick! Give her Phoenix Down! -nerdy FF reference-

And unitentional pun to her #1 fan.

[Maria13]

sylvanaerie wrote...

sooo its tuesday...anyone have any good NBA or Dismemberment shots?

Just waiting for someone to post one of Alistair being dismembered...

[Gilsa]

Thanks for posting the Gorim and Kardol codexes. Was pleased to see they were equally represented!

[ejoslin]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

It doesn't make sense until you figure out Loghain charged at Ostagar. Then you realize what happened.

Alistair went directly to Eamon after Ostagar, without a delay of a few days/weeks to slow him down ( from the PCs recovery ). Thus he reached the Arl in time before he collapsed from his poison, and possibly found Jowan was the culprit.

Eamon calls a Landsmeet and declares Alistair King Maric's son. Civil war starts brewing and Alistair allies Howe, Anora and Cauthrien to stop it. Eamon eventually is killed by the poison as only Loghain knew about it, or Howe/Cauthrien don't care to stop it.

He gathers the armies, listening to Morrigan's advice in the Brecillian Forest and the Deep Roads about the Golems/Werewolves, or just finding her teasing so annoying he finally did as she proposed.

It IS plausible. 

Knight: She stayed and actually convinced him to have his God baby.

Except in DAO, Berwick says that the Arl fell sick before the king died.

Edit: Added quote for clarity.

Modifié par ejoslin, 18 mai 2010 - 09:40 .

[sylvanaerie]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

That seems to point to her not telling him what to do...unless she mocked his initial inclinations to the point he did the opposite?

That's what I was thinking. Alistair is very impressionable. She could have planted a seed of doubt in every decision he made. Leliana isn't exactly the kind of person who could convince him that Morrigan was wrong, considering she is just as impressionable.

Soooo this is all Morrigan's fault for undermining everything Alistair tried to do?  Hmmmm

[Kryyptehk]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

It doesn't make sense until you figure out Loghain charged at Ostagar. Then you realize what happened.

Alistair went directly to Eamon after Ostagar, without a delay of a few days/weeks to slow him down ( from the PCs recovery ). Thus he reached the Arl in time before he collapsed from his poison, and possibly found Jowan was the culprit.

Eamon calls a Landsmeet and declares Alistair King Maric's son. Civil war starts brewing and Alistair allies Howe, Anora and Cauthrien to stop it. Eamon eventually is killed by the poison as only Loghain knew about it, or Howe/Cauthrien don't care to stop it.

He gathers the armies, listening to Morrigan's advice in the Brecillian Forest and the Deep Roads about the Golems/Werewolves, or just finding her teasing so annoying he finally did as she proposed.

It IS plausible.

Knight: She stayed and actually convinced him to have his God baby.

Don't forget siding with the Templars, that is a Morrigan decision in vanillla DA

[nos_astra]

Kryyptehk wrote...
That's what I was thinking. Alistair is very impressionable. She could have planted a seed of doubt in every decision he made. Leliana isn't exactly the kind of person who could convince him that Morrigan was wrong, considering she is just as impressionable.

If he is that impressionable I jump borders and get it on with Zevran. Really. I thought Alistair was insecure and sweet, a little naive and too idealistic, nothing I couldn't overlook, but if he's truly that incapable I'm done.

He gets executed every time. Can't have an idiot like that roam free. He might acidentally be in charge and DOOM all of Thedas.

Edit: Not serious!

Modifié par klarabella, 18 mai 2010 - 09:45 .