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[cmessaz]

[mellifera]

Sigh.

[sylvanaerie]

ejoslin wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

It doesn't make sense until you figure out Loghain charged at Ostagar. Then you realize what happened.

Alistair went directly to Eamon after Ostagar, without a delay of a few days/weeks to slow him down ( from the PCs recovery ). Thus he reached the Arl in time before he collapsed from his poison, and possibly found Jowan was the culprit.

Eamon calls a Landsmeet and declares Alistair King Maric's son. Civil war starts brewing and Alistair allies Howe, Anora and Cauthrien to stop it. Eamon eventually is killed by the poison as only Loghain knew about it, or Howe/Cauthrien don't care to stop it.

He gathers the armies, listening to Morrigan's advice in the Brecillian Forest and the Deep Roads about the Golems/Werewolves, or just finding her teasing so annoying he finally did as she proposed.

It IS plausible. 

Knight: She stayed and actually convinced him to have his God baby.

Except in DAO, Berwick says that the Arl fell sick before the king died.

Edit: Added quote for clarity.

Ser Donall in Lothering says the same thing right after youi get therer from Ostagar too.

[Costin_Razvan]

Meh. I prefer thinking he was just too incompetent to save them ( you can have them all the mages turn into abominations in the fight with Uldred, and thus you get the templar army )

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Knight: She stayed and actually convinced him to have his God baby.

And since she got herself killed, it's as good as useless. And it's not even a god child, since alistair is too incompetent to kill the archdemon.

[Costin_Razvan]

And that only furthers the point that in vanilla DA:O Loghain saved Fereldan by not charging!

 Except in DAO, Berwick says that the Arl fell sick before the king died.

Edit: Added quote for clarity.

I would argue it would take time for the poison to work through Eamon's body, but truthfully how fast the poison can work is probably the only plot hole in the DLC.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 18 mai 2010 - 09:45 .

[cmessaz]

[LadyDamodred]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I find it funny that they made Alistair decide the choices that the majority consider "bad" (I don't, but I don't see how he would do it). Is this supposed to teach us a lesson or something?

Ok, I will officially ask for all of your signatures in a collective and united declaration that all content in this DLC will not be considered at all worthwhile and is purely irrelevent. That means that I will not consider Alistair sparing Howe and slaughtering the Dalish and other decisions, nor will I consider that Alsitair secretly loves Leliana. In reciprocation, you people will not question Morrigan's invincibility and immortality, nor will you assume that she made Alistair's choices, as they evidently led to distaster.

I will be the first to sign. ~KoP~

~Lady Damodred~

Dear god, people, I can't even catch up.  Between editing and running to the store, 'm not even in the alienage yet!

[Kryyptehk]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Knight: She stayed and actually convinced him to have his God baby.

And since she got herself killed, it's as good as useless. And it's not even a god child, since alistair is too incompetent to kill the archdemon.

That kind of makes Morrigan a hypocrite too. She spouts all that nonsense about survival and then turns around and gets killed instead of escaping when she saw that things were spiraling around the drain. Heck, she could have got pregnant by Alistair and just hoped he killed the AD. I would have bought that if they had fallen in love on the journey (not that I would have been pleased) but not her just staying for the lulz

[cmessaz]

[Costin_Razvan]

Morrigan fleeing?! She would stand and fight to the last! And she can't flee when she an Ogre crushing her.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 18 mai 2010 - 09:47 .

[mellifera]

Teh lulz are worth dying for, apparently.

[Addai]

Y'all do realize that this is currently the liveliest discussion of the piece of crap DLC currently going on this board?  In the Alistair gush thread?  Bioware devs aren't the only ones who fail. 

Modifié par Addai67, 18 mai 2010 - 09:48 .

[Maria13]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

That seems to point to her not telling him what to do...unless she mocked his initial inclinations to the point he did the opposite?

That's what I was thinking. Alistair is very impressionable. She could have planted a seed of doubt in every decision he made. Leliana isn't exactly the kind of person who could convince him that Morrigan was wrong, considering she is just as impressionable.

Actually you are wrong.  He is only impressionable to an extent, there are numerous places in DAO where he digs his heels in.  Not only does he dislike Morrigan he disagrees with most of the selfishness that she stands for.

[Sarah1281]

cmessaz wrote...

So they're admitting Wynne is really naggy? 

[cmessaz]

I can't remember if I posted this one already, if so I will replace it.

[Kryyptehk]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Morrigan fleeing?! She would stand and fight to the last! And she can't flee when she an Ogre crushing her.

That's bull and you know it. She repeatedly says that survival matters above all else. It's not like she cared about Ferelden, the only thing she would care about is herself (note, in the DLC, not vanilla, I'm not getting into that argument)

[ejoslin]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

And that only furthers the point that in vanilla DA:O Loghain saved Fereldan by not charging!

 Except in DAO, Berwick says that the Arl fell sick before the king died.

Edit: Added quote for clarity.

I would argue it would take time for the poison to work through Eamon's body, but truthfully how fast the poison can work is probably the only plot hole in the DLC.

Heh, I usually let Loghain live after learning this was not something he planned in advance..  But this is a major plot hole when two characters from DAO say that the Arl was ill before the king was killed (one character could have been wrong I suppose, but two, no) yet in this, Arl Eamon calls the landsmeet and travels to Denerim before falling ill.

Then again, I didn't buy the DLC and most likely won't.  So everything I have to say about it is pretty pointless anyway.

[TotoroTori]

Sarah1281 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

So they're admitting Wynne is really naggy? 

sure looks like it

[Costin_Razvan]

Kryyptehk. They have a good chance of killing the archdemon right at the end with all the darkspawn having crushed their armies at the gates.



She probably takes that chance.

[Kryyptehk]

Maria13 wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

That seems to point to her not telling him what to do...unless she mocked his initial inclinations to the point he did the opposite?

That's what I was thinking. Alistair is very impressionable. She could have planted a seed of doubt in every decision he made. Leliana isn't exactly the kind of person who could convince him that Morrigan was wrong, considering she is just as impressionable.

Actually you are wrong.  He is only impressionable to an extent, there are numerous places in DAO where he digs his heels in.  Not only does he dislike Morrigan he disagrees with most of the selfishness that she stands for.

What stuff does he dig his heels in for? Isolde and Connor? He stands aside as you either butcher a child or use blood magic on a woman.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Morrigan fleeing?! She would stand and fight to the last! And she can't flee when she an Ogre crushing her.

No, she wouldn't. There is no reason for her to get herself killed. It's very OOC. She doesn't love anyone worth dying for. She couldn't care less about Ferelden. She couldn't care less about the companions.

It makes no sense for her to remain and fight "to the last". And she wouldn't give a damn about accusations of cowardice.

[Sarah1281]

I would argue it would take time for the poison to work through Eamon's body, but truthfully how fast the poison can work is probably the only plot hole in the DLC.

I guess that works. The coma could just be how the demon in Connor stabalized him so if the timeline moved up he might not have been possessed yet.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 18 mai 2010 - 09:52 .

[cmessaz]

This should be the last one


Addai- honestly I don't feel like doing much Alistair gushing right now. I must handwave this DLC or he is getting executed a couple of times.

[Maria13]

Addai67 wrote...

Y'all do realize that this is currently the liveliest discussion of the piece of crap DLC currently going on this board?  In the Alistair gush thread?  Bioware devs aren't the only ones who fail. 

You're right I'm going to stop feeding the trolls.  Bedtime anyway.  Perhaps I'll wake up tomorrow and discover that this was just an alcohol induced nightmare...