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[KnightofPhoenix]

Kryyptehk wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...
But I thought the trend started with the Jewish? Or am I wrong?

I know, I know, I shouldn't drag us off topic, but I'm curious!

They made it into a religious duty, but no the practise was before them.

Some say it's Egypt. Other theories say it started with Semitic bedouins in the Arabian Peninsula (that's where the Hebrews come from originally, as all Semitic peoples). A main reason is to avoid getting sand in there, of course.
But I theorise that other reasons were at play, including increased performance.

But how would they know about increased performance? Unless they observed from the horses you mentioned? Or did someone accidently get theirs snipped off and noticed it has benefits?

You would be quite surpised at how much they know.
I've read that the most espensive honey and tastiest is from Saudi Arabia, because bees were properly bred by bedouins for millenia. I have no idea how they do it in detail, but they know a lot about breeding.

How did it start at the very very beginning? I do not know. 
And I don't think they practised circumcision on horses. That's not what I meant lol 

Perhaps someone figurd that the sand getting there is too bloody annoying, so decided they were going to cutt it from now on. Lo and behold, it's actually better.

[Herr Uhl]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Perhaps someone figurd that the sand getting there is too bloody annoying, so decided they were going to cutt it from now on. Lo and behold, it's actually better.

Says you.

Edit: And probably a majority of the women in the world.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 19 mai 2010 - 04:15 .

[Kryyptehk]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...
But I thought the trend started with the Jewish? Or am I wrong?

I know, I know, I shouldn't drag us off topic, but I'm curious!

They made it into a religious duty, but no the practise was before them.

Some say it's Egypt. Other theories say it started with Semitic bedouins in the Arabian Peninsula (that's where the Hebrews come from originally, as all Semitic peoples). A main reason is to avoid getting sand in there, of course.
But I theorise that other reasons were at play, including increased performance.

But how would they know about increased performance? Unless they observed from the horses you mentioned? Or did someone accidently get theirs snipped off and noticed it has benefits?

The snipping probably came first, then benefits later realized. There are tons of theories as to why the practice was started, from health to reducing the frequency of masturbation, which, in many early societies, was frowned upon because it caused a waste of valuable seed, in a time when humans were keen on breeding as many people as possible, due to shorter lifespans and primitive medical care.

That makes sense, given the part in the Bible about that guy spilling his seed or something.

I prefer the health thing myself, because cut off a part of their man-area can't be that productive to getting them to stop pleasuring themselves.

Modifié par Kryyptehk, 19 mai 2010 - 04:11 .

[Thor Rand Al]

Uh not to detrack the thread but I got an Alistair/HNM question please. On this playthrough I'm going to have different endings for my HNM and one of them will be marrying Anora. I've hardened Alistair because he will be King in almost all my endings except where I marry Anora.

How can I go about making sure Alistair doesn't grab the throne even with him hardened and without sparring Loghain lol. The only way I can think of is arrange for Alistair n Anora to marry but have Alistair kill Loghain cause we know Anora won't marry him then. Can anyone help?

[Kryyptehk]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...
But I thought the trend started with the Jewish? Or am I wrong?

I know, I know, I shouldn't drag us off topic, but I'm curious!

They made it into a religious duty, but no the practise was before them.

Some say it's Egypt. Other theories say it started with Semitic bedouins in the Arabian Peninsula (that's where the Hebrews come from originally, as all Semitic peoples). A main reason is to avoid getting sand in there, of course.
But I theorise that other reasons were at play, including increased performance.

But how would they know about increased performance? Unless they observed from the horses you mentioned? Or did someone accidently get theirs snipped off and noticed it has benefits?

You would be quite surpised at how much they know.
I've read that the most espensive honey and tastiest is from Saudi Arabia, because bees were properly bred by bedouins for millenia. I have no idea how they do it in detail, but they know a lot about breeding.

How did it start at the very very beginning? I do not know. 
And I don't think they practised circumcision on horses. That's not what I meant lol 

Perhaps someone figurd that the sand getting there is too bloody annoying, so decided they were going to cutt it from now on. Lo and behold, it's actually better.

Oh, okay.

I don't know, I'm majoring in English lol, even though I'm probably more interested in history.

[Serissia]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Uh not to detrack the thread but I got an Alistair/HNM question please. On this playthrough I'm going to have different endings for my HNM and one of them will be marrying Anora. I've hardened Alistair because he will be King in almost all my endings except where I marry Anora.
How can I go about making sure Alistair doesn't grab the throne even with him hardened and without sparring Loghain lol. The only way I can think of is arrange for Alistair n Anora to marry but have Alistair kill Loghain cause we know Anora won't marry him then. Can anyone help?

You have to dual Loghain.

[Kryyptehk]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Uh not to detrack the thread but I got an Alistair/HNM question please. On this playthrough I'm going to have different endings for my HNM and one of them will be marrying Anora. I've hardened Alistair because he will be King in almost all my endings except where I marry Anora.
How can I go about making sure Alistair doesn't grab the throne even with him hardened and without sparring Loghain lol. The only way I can think of is arrange for Alistair n Anora to marry but have Alistair kill Loghain cause we know Anora won't marry him then. Can anyone help?

You dual Loghain and defeat him. Then have Alistair kill him.

[Thor Rand Al]

Sweet, thank you guys

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...
But I thought the trend started with the Jewish? Or am I wrong?

I know, I know, I shouldn't drag us off topic, but I'm curious!

They made it into a religious duty, but no the practise was before them.

Some say it's Egypt. Other theories say it started with Semitic bedouins in the Arabian Peninsula (that's where the Hebrews come from originally, as all Semitic peoples). A main reason is to avoid getting sand in there, of course.
But I theorise that other reasons were at play, including increased performance.

But how would they know about increased performance? Unless they observed from the horses you mentioned? Or did someone accidently get theirs snipped off and noticed it has benefits?

The snipping probably came first, then benefits later realized. There are tons of theories as to why the practice was started, from health to reducing the frequency of masturbation, which, in many early societies, was frowned upon because it caused a waste of valuable seed, in a time when humans were keen on breeding as many people as possible, due to shorter lifespans and primitive medical care.

That makes sense, given the part in the Bible about that guy spilling his seed or something.

I prefer the health thing myself, because cut off a part of their man-area can't be that productive to getting them to stop pleasuring themselves.

Supposedly, it causes reduction in senstivity. I don't know, though. The best way to figure out is reports from men who were circumcised during adulthood, and can compare sexual feeling on a before and after basis. Most men who get the snip get it as babies, so they wouldn't know.

I have mixed feelings about the issue. Though I prefer the snipped version, I really dislike the idea of removing part of a child's anatomy that is optional, at a time when they have no say in the matter.

[tmp7704]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Says you.

Edit: And probably a majority of the women in the world.

Not necessarily given the aforementioned potential for chafing issues (cue Garrus)

Some pointless bonus musing -- given how the design for city elves seems to have lot of elements drawn from the Jewish folks of 19th/early 20th century, kind of makes one wonder if they ehh, snip

[KnightofPhoenix]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
I have mixed feelings about the issue. Though I prefer the snipped version, I really dislike the idea of removing part of a child's anatomy that is optional, at a time when they have no say in the matter.

So you would rather have them experience it as adults? Ewww.

Naa, I am glad my parents made that choice for me. And so will my children when I will make the choice for them.

[Kryyptehk]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...
But I thought the trend started with the Jewish? Or am I wrong?

I know, I know, I shouldn't drag us off topic, but I'm curious!

They made it into a religious duty, but no the practise was before them.

Some say it's Egypt. Other theories say it started with Semitic bedouins in the Arabian Peninsula (that's where the Hebrews come from originally, as all Semitic peoples). A main reason is to avoid getting sand in there, of course.
But I theorise that other reasons were at play, including increased performance.

But how would they know about increased performance? Unless they observed from the horses you mentioned? Or did someone accidently get theirs snipped off and noticed it has benefits?

The snipping probably came first, then benefits later realized. There are tons of theories as to why the practice was started, from health to reducing the frequency of masturbation, which, in many early societies, was frowned upon because it caused a waste of valuable seed, in a time when humans were keen on breeding as many people as possible, due to shorter lifespans and primitive medical care.

That makes sense, given the part in the Bible about that guy spilling his seed or something.

I prefer the health thing myself, because cut off a part of their man-area can't be that productive to getting them to stop pleasuring themselves.

Supposedly, it causes reduction in senstivity. I don't know, though. The best way to figure out is reports from men who were circumcised during adulthood, and can compare sexual feeling on a before and after basis. Most men who get the snip get it as babies, so they wouldn't know.

I have mixed feelings about the issue. Though I prefer the snipped version, I really dislike the idea of removing part of a child's anatomy that is optional, at a time when they have no say in the matter.

I had my son circumcised, mostly because his father was and I have problems with infection (not those but just infections in general). And I think it is better to do it now, when they won't remember it, than when they will.

But YMMV, that's just my opinion. I've had many arguments with other people about this, I don't really feel the need to judge people on their opinions -shrug-. I'm open-minded that way.

[Kryyptehk]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
I have mixed feelings about the issue. Though I prefer the snipped version, I really dislike the idea of removing part of a child's anatomy that is optional, at a time when they have no say in the matter.

So you would rather have them experience it as adults? Ewww.

Naa, I am glad my parents made that choice for me. And so will my children when I will make the choice for them.

That makes me feel better, not that I've ever encountered any man who regretted their parents having it done to them, but I'm sure they exist.

[LadyDamodred]

I think this is oddly appropriate:

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 19 mai 2010 - 04:29 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Alistair: "I can't think straight"

Connor: "Of course you don't!"

[mellifera]

[Kryyptehk]

When does that happen, Yuki?

[tmp7704]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

So you would rather have them experience it as adults? Ewww.

Naa, I am glad my parents made that choice for me. And so will my children when I will make the choice for them.

I think the idea is to let the adult make decision about their body for themselves.

Some parents also make decision for their girls that it's beneficial to have their clitoris (or part of it) removed when they're little, too. It's a pretty similar procedure, and somehow i doubt these girls are very glad about that...

[Gilsa]

Modifié par Gilsa, 19 mai 2010 - 07:05 .

[mellifera]

Kryyptehk wrote...

When does that happen, Yuki?

If you talk to unhardened Alistair before the Landsmeet. I think it's either after you speak to Anora, or you have to propose marrying Alistair to her. I can't remember, lol. It's pretty funny.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
I have mixed feelings about the issue. Though I prefer the snipped version, I really dislike the idea of removing part of a child's anatomy that is optional, at a time when they have no say in the matter.

So you would rather have them experience it as adults? Ewww.

Naa, I am glad my parents made that choice for me. And so will my children when I will make the choice for them.

If they were adults, then they could choose it. They would understand the risks and potential for pain. And then could choose yes or no.

I know, that me, personally, would have been mighty ticked myself had my parents made a choice to remove a part of my anatomy that wasn't necessary to remove, as the majority of circumcisions are purely elective. Only a small percentage take place because of some medical reason (malformation, immediate health issues, ect.

. My husband is English, and like many, is of the unsnipped variety. I've discussed it before, and he considers it another bizarre quirk of American behavior, the general practice of circumcision on infant boys (I think I read somewhere between 85 and 90% of American infant boys get snipped). He doesn't understand it, and ironically, thinks it is a "barbaric" practice.

So, I do not think it likely when I start having kids, that any boys will get snipped, even if I prefered to have it done. Alot of people over here have major problems with the idea, for various reasons.

[Kryyptehk]

Gilsa wrote...

Same. I was really on the fence about circumsizing my son and thought it was something he should decide as an adult, but my husband and I had long talks about this. We went over all the reasons and I had my female friends tell me that they knew guys who had done it as adults, who wished their parents had done it as kids. I ended up yielding to my husband on this matter because he would know more about how it affected men than I would. That didn't stop me from crying my eyes out when we went ahead with it and it was awful changing diapers for a week. I was so sure I had ruined his manhood and even took him back to the doctor, who assured me the recovery was supposed to look awful and the child was fine. I don't regret doing it because I feel we made the right choice for our own family, but it was not easy on me as a first-time mom.

Hmm, my son didn't have any problems with his recovery. But I agree. At first I thought I had my mind made up that he would have it done but by the middle of my pregnancy I got really nervous when I read reports about complications from the procedure. I don't regret it either, but it can be nerve racking.

[KnightofPhoenix]

tmp7704 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

So you would rather have them experience it as adults? Ewww.

Naa, I am glad my parents made that choice for me. And so will my children when I will make the choice for them.

I think the idea is to let the adult make decision about their body for themselves.

Some parents also make decision for their girls that it's beneficial to have their clitoris (or part of it) removed when they're little, too. It's a pretty similar procedure, and somehow i doubt these girls are very glad about that...

It's different. Female circumcision is useless. Male circumcision is not and is beneficial. Further, male circumcision is a religious duty, expected by parents to perform. Female circumcision is not, despite the fact that some idiots who know nothign about the religion they are talkign about claim that it is.

We don't really ask the opinion of kids when we give them the vaccine. So logn as it's beneficial health wise, it's fine.

[Kryyptehk]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

So you would rather have them experience it as adults? Ewww.

Naa, I am glad my parents made that choice for me. And so will my children when I will make the choice for them.

I think the idea is to let the adult make decision about their body for themselves.

Some parents also make decision for their girls that it's beneficial to have their clitoris (or part of it) removed when they're little, too. It's a pretty similar procedure, and somehow i doubt these girls are very glad about that...

It's different. Female circumcision is useless. Male circumcision is not and is beneficial. Further, male circumcision is a religious duty, expected by parents to perform. Female circumcision is not, despite the fact that some idiots who know nothign about the religion they are talkign about claim that it is.

We don't really ask the opinion of kids when we give them the vaccine. So logn as it's beneficial health wise, it's fine.

I agree but I say we all drop the subject, given the fact this is serious argument fodder. I've been on forums where people left the site because of arguments about circumcision. I'm wary discussing it.

[Herr Uhl]

Kryyptehk wrote...

I agree but I say we all drop the subject, given the fact this is serious argument fodder. I've been on forums where people left the site because of arguments about circumcision. I'm wary discussing it.

What a silly reason.