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[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

SurelyForth wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Once upon a time, David Gaider was sitting at his desk, plotting and scheming for new ways to make the fans pleasantly cry about how awesome his writing is. Until out of nowhere!

"Hey Gaider! Check this out! The new DLC will be about you playing a darkspawn and killing everyone in Denerim, in an alternate universe where the PC didn't live. Sounds cool eh? Well wait till you hear more. Alistair is leader and he decides to slaughter the dalish to the last child, help Branka, exterminate the mages, be bff with Howe, while at the same time falls in love with an unhardened Leliana that didn't seem to mind his actions. Morrigan you ask? Well she is in it for the lulz and she is willing to diie for the lulz. Oh and Herren is in fact a desire demon"

THAT's when it happened.

Aww, poor David Gaider. At least Ser Pounce-a-landers remains untainted:

:wub::wub:

[sylvanaerie]

yukidama wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Because I hate Leliana.

Sorry, not good enough for days of hate.

I've always hated Leliana. Not to mention the conflicts the story has anyway. Just makes no sense. i think the Morrigan manipulating him into a relationship with her to get her god baby is a more likely story. Would explain the stupid choices.

Yeah, but you didn't always make people who do like her listen to it for days accompanied by pictures. Same goes with Alistair. Can we not acknowledge that you don't like Leliana  at al and move on?

Well, this is all in good fun, so if people are annoyed I apologise. Others are expressing their opposite opinions so I just thought that I would do the same. I wasn't trying to make anyone mad.

I've had it with ALL the character hate. It seemed to be directed at you because that was the page I was reading when I lost it after days at a slow burn. Oddly, I feel a little better now. Still, the thread isn't very welcoming when it focuses on hate and not 'Yay!'

I just think the hate is prevalent now because of the DLC. This is an Alistair thread and what [theoretically] unites us all is a love of Alistair. Not a love of all the characters. There's only so much you can discuss before it just becomes super redunant, which is why I think the thread is so OT and about disliking the new DLC and characters. The manips and weird sex scene head-swapping stuff is just for giggles, at least by me. I don't see it as unwelcoming in the least, but that's my view *shrug*

I don't mind the silly stuff its all on topic its the vitriol for a fictional character the way he was "written" in something SO far removed from his usual character that I don't understand.  This has turned from the Alistair gush thread to the "i hate Alistair" thread with barely a troll post at all.

The train has jumped the tracks and flipped over the hill crashing into the lake below and no one..not even the children got out.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

LadyDamodred wrote...

*has been trying to help*

:wub::wub::wub:

Modifié par Skadi_the_Evil_Elf, 19 mai 2010 - 09:36 .

[mellifera]

I really don't see how it has turned into the Alistair hate thread...

[cmessaz]

I don't either. I was joking.

[errant_knight]

SurelyForth wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Once upon a time, David Gaider was sitting at his desk, plotting and scheming for new ways to make the fans pleasantly cry about how awesome his writing is. Until out of nowhere!

"Hey Gaider! Check this out! The new DLC will be about you playing a darkspawn and killing everyone in Denerim, in an alternate universe where the PC didn't live. Sounds cool eh? Well wait till you hear more. Alistair is leader and he decides to slaughter the dalish to the last child, help Branka, exterminate the mages, be bff with Howe, while at the same time falls in love with an unhardened Leliana that didn't seem to mind his actions. Morrigan you ask? Well she is in it for the lulz and she is willing to diie for the lulz. Oh and Herren is in fact a desire demon"

THAT's when it happened.

Aww, poor David Gaider. At least Ser Pounce-a-landers remains untainted:

Ah... That's nice. I needed that. 

[Maria13]

Addai67 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...
I guess I don't get the implication (at all) that he would rather be with Leliana than he would the PC, since he makes no overtures during the game even when neither of them are being romanced.

I think what I don't like is Bioware's implication that Alistair was just going to fall for the first woman who batted her eyelashes at him.  Didn't matter who.  This in the midst of an overall cheapening of the material, so I'm disgusted with the creation as a whole right now, not with the characters in particular.

Maybe it's my misreading of the Alistair romance to begin with.  Some have posited it as shallow.  I mean, he does say that he fell for your PC because you were thrown together.  So it makes me think that the people who thought the romance was keyed to be shallow and puppy-dog might have had the right of it after all.

This is even assuming that the Origins writers had any say in anything in the DLC.  I'm not sure if I would rather hear that they did or they didn't.

I think it's possible to find a middle of the road here.  I think Alistair has been pretty severely sexually repressed for most of his life and when those constraints are loosened, yes, he is ready for love.  But that doesn't mean his love is shallow, I think under all his fluffiness he has quite a deep personality and he loves whom he loves for who she is.  It is the same for most people. Often when people lose their partners, say, they move on to a new relationship with a person who is quite different to their previous SO, does this mean their love is shallow? No, it's mutable and flexible, which is healthy.  Does mean that they loved one partner more than the other?  I'd say no again. 

Finally, how can you fall in love with someone who you are not thrown together with?  Can you love someone you've never met and you know nothing about?

[Sarah1281]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Once upon a time, David Gaider was sitting at his desk, plotting and scheming for new ways to make the fans pleasantly cry about how awesome his writing is. Until out of nowhere!

"Hey Gaider! Check this out! The new DLC will be about you playing a darkspawn and killing everyone in Denerim, in an alternate universe where the PC didn't live. Sounds cool eh? Well wait till you hear more. Alistair is leader and he decides to slaughter the dalish to the last child, help Branka, exterminate the mages, be bff with Howe, while at the same time falls in love with an unhardened Leliana that didn't seem to mind his actions. Morrigan you ask? Well she is in it for the lulz and she is willing to diie for the lulz. Oh and Herren is in fact a desire demon"

THAT's when it happened.

Aww, poor David Gaider. At least Ser Pounce-a-landers remains untainted:

:wub::wub:

 Untainted...until the inevitble 'what if your PC died in the Joining but Alistair didn't get everyone killed and the Orlesian Wardens all die' DLC. On the bright side, this time your character will have been Awakened.

[mellifera]

I guess it's because I've seen so much worse just on these boards, outside this thread.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Once upon a time, David Gaider was sitting at his desk, plotting and scheming for new ways to make the fans pleasantly cry about how awesome his writing is. Until out of nowhere!

"Hey Gaider! Check this out! The new DLC will be about you playing a darkspawn and killing everyone in Denerim, in an alternate universe where the PC didn't live. Sounds cool eh? Well wait till you hear more. Alistair is leader and he decides to slaughter the dalish to the last child, help Branka, exterminate the mages, be bff with Howe, while at the same time falls in love with an unhardened Leliana that didn't seem to mind his actions. Morrigan you ask? Well she is in it for the lulz and she is willing to diie for the lulz. Oh and Herren is in fact a desire demon"

THAT's when it happened.

Aww, poor David Gaider. At least Ser Pounce-a-landers remains untainted:

:wub::wub:

 Untainted...until the inevitble 'what if your PC died in the Joining but Alistair didn't get everyone killed and the Orlesian Wardens all die' DLC. On the bright side, this time your character will have been Awakened.

Shush, you! Don't give Bioware anymore rancid ideas than they already are cooking up!

[errant_knight]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

*has been trying to help*

:wub::wub::wub:

I know you have. It was duly noted.

[LadyDamodred]

Kryyptehk wrote...
I thought that he said he fell for you in spite of what has happened. That you wouldn't have met if the Blight hadn't had happened which is true. Where does he say that he fell in love with you because you were thrown together. He and Morrigan/Leliana/Wynne were thrown together and you don't see them falling in love (we'll ignore Wynne's cougar tendencies.)

Agreed.  His point is that for almost every moment the two of your have known each other, it's been "death and tragedy".  You never have a moment of peace.  No matter where you go, you see suffering.  People keep trying to kill you.  Oh yeah, and the little added pressure of needing to save the world.  And that even with all of that going on, you still managed to find each other.

It's a friggin' miracle!



I need to make this my desktop for inspiration for my next chapter.  B*tches be seeing this alot. 

[LadyDamodred]

errant_knight wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

*has been trying to help*

:wub::wub::wub:

I know you have. It was duly noted.

*demands to be rewarded with fight scene* 

[mellifera]

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...
I think what I don't like is Bioware's implication that Alistair was just going to fall for the first woman who batted her eyelashes at him.  Didn't matter who.  This in the midst of an overall cheapening of the material, so I'm disgusted with the creation as a whole right now, not with the characters in particular.

Maybe it's my misreading of the Alistair romance to begin with.  Some have posited it as shallow.  I mean, he does say that he fell for your PC because you were thrown together.  So it makes me think that the people who thought the romance was keyed to be shallow and puppy-dog might have had the right of it after all.

This is even assuming that the Origins writers had any say in anything in the DLC.  I'm not sure if I would rather hear that they did or they didn't.

But he's not falling for the first woman who bats her eyelashes at him. In the absence of the PC, Leliana would fill a comparable role. It's the same as the PC falling in love with any of the companions, really, and I wouldn't call that cheap, I would call it fairly realistic.

And when he says things about you being thrown together, it's him hedging his bets a bit, trying to downplay how much the PC means to him. He's putting himself Out There and he doesn't want to look totally foolish. If he was going to fall in love with any woman who was along for the ride, approval wouldn't matter and he'd be as willing to nail someone at Neutral as he is at Adore and he wouldn't really bother breaking up after the Landsmeet because the relationship/Warden wouldn't mean enough to him that his inability to commit for the longterm would be a problem.

[Kryyptehk]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...
I thought that he said he fell for you in spite of what has happened. That you wouldn't have met if the Blight hadn't had happened which is true. Where does he say that he fell in love with you because you were thrown together. He and Morrigan/Leliana/Wynne were thrown together and you don't see them falling in love (we'll ignore Wynne's cougar tendencies.)

Agreed.  His point is that for almost every moment the two of your have known each other, it's been "death and tragedy".  You never have a moment of peace.  No matter where you go, you see suffering.  People keep trying to kill you.  Oh yeah, and the little added pressure of needing to save the world.  And that even with all of that going on, you still managed to find each other.

It's a friggin' miracle!



I need to make this my desktop for inspiration for my next chapter.  B*tches be seeing this alot. 

Sexy Alistair. I prefer sexy!Alistair to cute!Alistair, even if it is by a slight margin.

[Thor Rand Al]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...

So uh I have a random question. In the landsmeet if your PC is dualing Loghain where the heck is Alistair? I saw everyone except Alistair. You see Anora, your other companions, gaurds, banns, Eamon etc but you don't see Alistair n I looked too lmao.

He had to have a bathroom break.

LMFAO, what bad timing.


Oh well I just thought it was funny/interesting/strange you don't see him during the whole dual.

[mellifera]

ALL SHALL LOVE DW ALISTAIR AND DESPAIRRR

[cmessaz]

I think the whole DLC thing needs to be dropped. People get too touchy about it.

[Kryyptehk]

yukidama wrote...

ALL SHALL LOVE DW ALISTAIR AND DESPAIRRR

You just made me seem crazy for laughing so hard. I demand compensation in the form of more screenies!

[Lady Jess]

GAH!! After I redid Orzammar over, I forgot to go back to the ashes. Imagine my disappointment after I killed the demon at redcliffe (Alistair is going to give me h-e-double hockeysticks for that), thinking OK wake up Eamon, time to go have a landsmeet! Only to have my dialog choices start with "I'll search for this urn"



effffffffffffffffff

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

And now Ali-love has returned....I can go back to enjoyably OD'ing on my own estrogen tsunami.

[sylvanaerie]

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
I think what I don't like is Bioware's implication that Alistair was just going to fall for the first woman who batted her eyelashes at him.  Didn't matter who.  This in the midst of an overall cheapening of the material, so I'm disgusted with the creation as a whole right now, not with the characters in particular.

Maybe it's my misreading of the Alistair romance to begin with.  Some have posited it as shallow.  I mean, he does say that he fell for your PC because you were thrown together.  So it makes me think that the people who thought the romance was keyed to be shallow and puppy-dog might have had the right of it after all.

This is even assuming that the Origins writers had any say in anything in the DLC.  I'm not sure if I would rather hear that they did or they didn't.

But he's not falling for the first woman who bats her eyelashes at him. In the absence of the PC, Leliana would fill a comparable role. It's the same as the PC falling in love with any of the companions, really, and I wouldn't call that cheap, I would call it fairly realistic.

And when he says things about you being thrown together, it's him hedging his bets a bit, trying to downplay how much the PC means to him. He's putting himself Out There and he doesn't want to look totally foolish. If he was going to fall in love with any woman who was along for the ride, approval wouldn't matter and he'd be as willing to nail someone at Neutral as he is at Adore and he wouldn't really bother breaking up after the Landsmeet because the relationship/Warden wouldn't mean enough to him that his inability to commit for the longterm would be a problem.

Gawd I  you Surely.  Why the f* aren't you writing for Bioware?

[mellifera]

I think my previous screenshot and Alicorn give birth to this:



(crosses fandom streams)

[errant_knight]

LadyDamodred wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

*has been trying to help*

:wub::wub::wub:

I know you have. It was duly noted.

*demands to be rewarded with fight scene* 

Here or in my story?