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[Napoleon1853]

This is a horrible tragedy for Poland. As you can tell by looking at the list at the bottom of this post of some who where on the plane if that is an accurate list, then it seems many top officials in the Polish Government where on the plane.

Here is a link to a full story about it.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/04/10/poland.president.plane.crash/index.html?hpt=T1

Polish President Lech Kaczynski was killed early Saturday along with his wife, several top military officials, and the head of the national bank when their plane crashed at a western Russian airport, officials said. "There are no survivors," said Sergey Antufyev, the governor of Smolensk, where the plane was trying to land when it crashed. Russian emergency officials said 97 people died. "The entire top military brass, including the chief of defense and all the services, were on the plane," said Tomas Valasek, of the Center for European Reform.

Valasek said the crash is a tragic coincidence, since the Polish officials were on their way to commemorate the deaths of top Polish officials at Katyn 70 years ago.

From Wikipedia-According to the flight manifest on-board here are some who where on the plane:

    * Lech Kaczyński, President of Poland
    * Maria Kaczyńska, First Lady of Poland
    * Andrzej Błasik, Chief of the Polish Air Force
    * Krystyna Bochenek, Deputy Speaker of the Senat
    * Archbishop Miron Chodakowski, Orthodox Ordinary of the Polish Army
    * Leszek Deptuła, member of the Sejm
    * Grzegorz Dolniak, member of the Sejm
    * Janina Fetlińska, member of the Senat
    * General Franciszek Gągor, Chief of the Polish Army General Staff
    * Grażyna Gęsicka, member of the Sejm
    * Przemysław Gosiewski, member of the Sejm
    * Mariusz Handzlik, Undersecretary of State in the Office of the President of the Republic of Poland
    * Izabela Jaruga-Nowacka, member of the Sejm
    * Ryszard Kaczorowski, the last President of the Polish government-in-exile
    * Sebastian Karpiniuk, member of the Sejm
    * Vice Admiral Andrzej Karweta, Commander-in-chief of the Polish Navy
    * Janusz Kochanowski, Polish Ombudsman for Citizen Rights
    * Andrzej Kremer, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs
    * Janusz Kurtyka, Historian and president of the Institute of National Remembrance
    * Aleksandra Natalli-Świat, member of the Sejm
    * Piotr Nurowski, President of the Polish Olympic Committee
    * Maciej Płażyński, President of the Polish Community Association
    * Major General Tadeusz Buk, Commander of the Polish Land Forces
    * Tadeusz Płoski, bishop of the Military Ordinariate of the Polish Army
    * Krzysztof Putra, Deputy Speaker of the Sejm
    * Andrzej Przewoźnik, Secretary-General of the Council for the Protection of Struggle and Martyrdom Sites
    * Ryszard Rumianek, Rector of the Cardinal Stefan Wyszyński University
    * Arkadiusz Rybicki, member of the Sejm
    * Sławomir Skrzypek, President of the National Bank of Poland
    * Władysław Stasiak, Chief of the Office of the President of the Republic of Poland
    * Aleksander Szczygło, head of the National Security Bureau
    * Jerzy Szmajdziński, Deputy Speaker of the Sejm
    * Jolanta Szymanek-Deresz, member of the Sejm
    * Anna Walentynowicz, free trade union activist, member of Solidarity
    * Zbigniew Wassermann, member of the Sejm
    * Wiesław Woda, member of the Sejm
    * Edward Wojtas, member of the Sejm
    * Paweł Wypych, Secretary of State in the Office of the President of the Republic of Poland
    * Stanisław Zając, member of the Senat
    * Janusz Zakrzeński, actor

Modifié par Napoleon1853, 10 avril 2010 - 05:01 .

[ImperialOperative]

Irony

[Godak]

I read about this earlier. A terrible tragedy. My condolences to the friends and family of the deceased, and to all of Poland.

[Ponce de Leon]

I seriously hope there was nothing behind all this. Of course I get suspicious at such things, but never mind. Condolences to everyone that lost someone dear in this event.

[Napoleon1853]

Well according to Wikipedia this guy is now the acting president.

http://en.wikipedia....sław_Komorowski



Also, the Prime Minister is still alive.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Donald_Tusk

[Annjul666]

Thank u for the topic.

i dont have words, all of us are still in shock... the most important people... all of the leaders of military forces died... the commanders, generals...

[Annjul666]

Napoleon1853 wrote...

Well according to Wikipedia this guy is now the acting president.
http://en.wikipedia....sław_Komorowski

he is in charge for now.... the goverment is divided, we need to have new election

[Eleinehmm]

Even considering my distaste for all kinds of politicians, it’s still very sad.
I was appalled to see those conspiracy theory people writing their disgusting stuff, using the tragedy to further their goals

I am currently working in the RF, and people here are very distressed,
The 12th of April is a national day of mourning, and as far I can tell people offer their sincere condolences to the relatives of the deceased

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 10 avril 2010 - 06:34 .

[Busomjack]

What a shame.



What a rotten way to die.

[Napoleon1853]

Can anyone confirm if the list of the people on the plane that I posted is accurate? I got that list from Wikipedia and saw others on a different forum talking about that list so I used it.

[veramis]

It was Loghain.

[Godak]

Napoleon1853 wrote...

Can anyone confirm if the list of the people on the plane that I posted is accurate? I got that list from Wikipedia and saw others on a different forum talking about that list so I used it.

I'm sure the Polish government will post an official list of the deceased later on.

[Annjul666]

The list is longer and contains many people from the goverment, military forces and church.... almost all elite...

http://wiadomosci.on...olewa,item.html

here is the official list, polish source, sorry.... not sure there everyone....

Modifié par Annjul666, 10 avril 2010 - 05:59 .

[Eleinehmm]

veramis - Please, just go away, ok ?

[Metal Cupcake]

That's terrible.

[Napoleon1853]

Godak wrote...

Napoleon1853 wrote...

Can anyone confirm if the list of the people on the plane that I posted is accurate? I got that list from Wikipedia and saw others on a different forum talking about that list so I used it.

I'm sure the Polish government will post an official list of the deceased later on.

Ya, probably.

[Shazzammer2]

That is terrible indeed. These conspiracy theorists are disgusting pushing their crap like that.

[Godak]

Shazzammer2 wrote...

That is terrible indeed. These conspiracy theorists are disgusting pushing their crap like that.

Just ignore them. It's for the best.

[Shazzammer2]

Godak wrote...

Shazzammer2 wrote...

That is terrible indeed. These conspiracy theorists are disgusting pushing their crap like that.

Just ignore them. It's for the best.

for the most part I do ... I just find it rather disgusting is all.

[Napoleon1853]

Here is something I read from another CNN link talking about the ramifications of the crash on Polish politics.
http://www.cnn.com/2...ysis/index.html

While Kaczynski filled the country's highest post, Valasek said the government machinery needed to run the country remained intact.

"The government is in place... this is not a presidential system."

He added that any changes to the political landscape in Poland would be related to the forthcoming presidential elections.

President Kaczynski, 60, had been due to stand for reelection, but he was unpopular and would probably have lost, according to experts.

"This is a political earthquake, a lot of leaders have perished, and first we have to let this moment of shock pass. But the reality is that the Kaczynski's [President Lech Kaczynski has an identical twin brother Jaroslaw] are not very popular in Poland," said Piotr Kaczynski, an analyst at the Center for European Policy Studies.

An election must be held within 60 days. Kaczynski, who is not related to the president, said the speaker Bronislaw Komorowski, who is now the acting president, will almost certainly be elected the new president.

Modifié par Napoleon1853, 10 avril 2010 - 06:11 .

[amethyst_rose2009]

I read this on the news earlier.  How terribly sad.

[Godak]

I'm looking forward to learning more about what happened. I pray that it was just a horrific accident...