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[BBO-IceMan]

First, let me say that I am not a troll, and I normally don't hang out on game forums, unless I have something constructive to say.  This is a valid concern, and I am truely confused.  I am not interested in hearing your "you suck" comments, and I will just hit ignore on you when I see them.  I really enjoy this game, but I am very concerned.

I started the (PC VERSION) game on Normal Difficulty with the Dwarf Commoner.  I have Morrigan, Allistair and Leliana that I usually run around with.  I have done Lothering, Brecilian Forest (Danish Elves), Redcliffe and the Circle Tower, in that order.  I am now heading to Denerim in search of the ashes.

Everytime I get into a battle, I am almost dead.  I usually end up with 1 character and I am spam healing them with potions.

I typically move Morrigan away from the group and have her set up to heal when someone gets below 80% health.

I just don't know what I am doing wrong.  I feel like they are about 3-5 levels below what they should be.  I have been doing all the sidequests to get all the XP I can.

I just hate that I am always on the brink of dying.  And it isn't just the boss battles, it is all battles where there are more than 3-4 enemies.  I have been stopped on the trail by a pack of wolves that killed me 5 times before I could finally BARELY beat them.  I always use the pause and tactic play.  I have used the 'hold position' many times.  I set each characters AI attack system up to what seems to be optimum.  But, yet, I continue to be slaughtered by a couple idiot wolves or puny undead/darkspawn.  Boss battles...OMG, it amazes me that I get through any of them.  Usually 7 or 8 times trying, I will finally win, barely.

I've played many RPGs before, since the early 90's on all types of systems (PS1, 2, 3, XBOX 1 & 2, Sega, PC, etc...).  Online and Single-Player games.  This is just about the most difficult of them all, and it seems almost like it is something I am doing wrong.  What really makes me mad is I spend more time staring at the heath bars than I do watching the battle, which isn't the action and the gameplay what this game is really telling you looks great to watch, not the red line circling your character's portrait...?

Any constructive suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Modifié par BBO-IceMan, 10 avril 2010 - 06:39 .

[oyzar]

Maybe you aren't pausing the game enough? I pause by reflex even in situations i probably could do just fine without. Also control all your party members(much easier with pausing), as the AI(even with improved tactics) is rather crap.

[BBO-IceMan]

I constantly am using the pause menu.



Do they kind of expect you to take a specific path, that will continually make the enemies increasingly more difficult? OR, does it not matter, and wherever you go, the enemies will be set up to be a match for your group, based upon their level?

[Ravenpoe121]

Have you ever played an MMO? Party setups in those games typically follow a specific pattern, in that they'll have designated tanks, or those who take the damage, designated healers to heal that damage, and then damage dealers to kill the enemies. This is the type of setup you should try to achieve, though it doesn't have to be that cut and dry.



I'm going to assume that Alistair is your tank, since you don't mention what class your dwarf is. You'll want to equip him with the best armor you can find/afford (warden commander armor is very good here, if you have Wardens Keep) and equip him with a sword and shield. Get the shield wall skill on him as soon as possible, and keep it active. Also get threaten and taunt, as they will help ensure that enemies attack him and not the rest of your party. When you enter battle, control Alistair, and have him enter the fray first, so that the enemies will target him. Once you have their attention, switch to your other characters, and start taking out the enemies with focused fire.



Morrigan should have at least one heal spell, to help keep Alistair alive. The forcefield spell (precursor to the always awesome crushing prison) is also very helpful, as you can throw it on Alistair once he's the center of attention, making him invincible for a short time.



Beyond that, all I can really recommend is that you pause A LOT. Keep at it, use your abilities to their best, and you should do ok. Don't be afraid to use up Morrigan's mana, spells can really make the difference.

[BBO-IceMan]

Raven,



It is funny you say that. My Dwarf is a warrior and is usually the last one standing. Allistair is one of the first to die, typically (unless Morrigan can't get away from the battle fast enough, lol).



Although, you have given me an idea. Since my dwarf usually commands the enemy's attention, maybe I should just have Morrigan set up to heal him mostly, rather than just anyone in the group that falls below 80% health. The spell and potion cooldowns is what is causing me the most pain. heh.

[Ravenpoe121]

Good armor, a good shield, and shield wall are what make Alistair unkillable. Without those, he can go down pretty quick.



If your dwarf is better set up to tank, then let him do so, and focus your healing on him. You definately don't want morrigan spreading out her one heal, because you run into the problem you're having. You want to consolidate your damage taken, and healing done, into as few targets as possible, while having the rest of your party focus fire on enemies to take them down one at a time.

[UpiH]

You might want to take a look at these:
http://social.biowar...66/index/552558

To my experience Normal and Nightmare aren't that different. The biggest gap could be between Easy and Normal since on Easy, you won't suffer friendly fire and the meanies aren't that tough.

Addendum: Depends on your preferred playstyle but disabling the nasties before they can do you harm works for me. Also, reducing Mörri to a mere healer may not necessarily be a very good idea.

If you don't shy using potions, set the tactics for every character to use a poultice each time their health drops below a certain point. 50 - > minor, 25 -> major, for instance. Morrigan has Herbalism 2 to begin with, so making potions shouldn't be an issue.

Modifié par UpiH, 10 avril 2010 - 07:17 .

[JosieJ]

Ravenpoe121 wrote...

Good armor, a good shield, and shield wall are what make Alistair unkillable.

And DEX.  Get enough STR to wear massive armor (remember items can also give you STR bonuses), then pump DEX.

[nranola]

I didn't really invest more dex than necessary on Alistair and he still proved to be a very good tank. The key with him really is the equipment. I find the armor you get from Return to Ostagar to work really well, but if you don't have that then get him the best set you can find. You'll need 42 str to be able to equip the best sets of armor in the game, as a point of interest.

I don't see much of a problem with your party setup so I'm betting that you aren't exploiting each character's strength to their fullest extent. Leliana works best with a bow (Scattershot helps tremendously as it stuns clustered enemies), Alistair as a tank obviously, and Morrigan's spells make for decent damage, immobilizing enemies (Cone of Cold and Crushing Prison to name a few), and healing/support spells (Force Field is a real lifesaver) if you choose to get them.

And don't shy away from poultices just because you have a mage on the team! That's a lesson I learned the hard way. xD

EDIT: To answer your question about the level gap thing... I think your enemies are generally on par with your PC's level. And the armor your enemies wear also "levels up" with you.

Modifié par nranola, 10 avril 2010 - 07:49 .

[weism]

Dragon age is a bit hard for casual players at beginning, when lvls are low. But once you get to lvl 7+ you can start customize your chars to your style of play. I would suggest you to download the character respec mod, if you haven't done so. ( In awakening expansion, you can just buy a book to respec I think). Try different combos of skill, talents setup for all you chars. Once you find a good combo for your style of play. The game becomes easy enough that you don't need to pause much.

Once your chars gets to lvl14+, when you can add another specialization to other members, if you have the right setup for your style, you will feel this game is a walk in the park even on nightmare.

Bottom line just try different setup and find out what's best for your style.

[TBastian]

The difference between nightmare and normal is more pronounced for mages. Once upon a time in normal, your spells always worked. Then lo and behold, you spells suddenly get resisted and you pay dearly for it in nightmare (then again reloading on the same map is quick).

First off, be wary of random encounters. Those can be hellish at low levels until you learn how to deal with them (like giving all your warriors/rogues at least 1 rank in poison-making and throwing bombs). That wolf encounter is the worst of the lot.

I noticed you didn't mention any of the DLC's. Vanilla DA:O is much more difficult than  "DLC-ed" DA:O especially for someone new to the game. People who claim the game is too easy usually do so because of the DLC items.

As you go along you should learn more about how to deal with enemies. If you need tips, don't be afraid to ask. The worst is still ahead of you - you have not yet done Orzammar.

General advice:
1) Use all the NPC's and try to figure out all their skills. As an example, I see your group has Leliana, a rogue. A rogue's ability to disable traps and open chests significantly boosts your xp gain at early levels, while giving you a few more sovereigns. They can also throw bombs/lay traps that can make early game significantly easier.
2) Experiment with other spells. Give your Morrigan Force Field - she already has Mind Blast so Force Field is just 1 spell away, use it on Alistair once his HP is low.
3) Get all sustained skills for your warriors/rogues ASAP. As you become more used to the game you can start experimenting with more exotic skill choices, but until then warrior/rogue sustaineds are direct, simple, and effective.
4) Try and get your hands on a proper heavy/massive armor set for your warriors ASAP. This applies especially if you don't have DLC's. Don't rely on drops - there are only three sets of those, and all are late-game specific/difficult to recover.
5) Focus on 1 main stat, and at most 3 "secondary" stats. Majority/almost all your points should go to your main stat, and the rest is up to you.

And yes, most things in the game scale to your PC's level/are of higher level than your PC.

Modifié par TBastian, 10 avril 2010 - 08:41 .

[oyzar]

You don't actually need any specific party setup to succeed however you probably need to be able to focus damage, use your abilities well (know what they do and why you chose them over other abilities).



The path you take through the game does not matter as the enemies adapt to your level.

[Miri1984]

I had a really hard time when I first started playing as well - on normal difficulty too. I ended up using Alistair as a tank and using party tactics for everyone else. I used the enemy/target of Alistair/attack AI for ALL my characters so that every person in the group was killing the same person (they tend to run off and kill the nearest enemy or an enemy that's attacking them). Also if you have a rogue it's REALLY worthwhile getting them into backstab position if you can without them getting killed - Leliana especially is great in this role, although you can build Zev to do the same thing once he joins your party.



Morrigan has some great disable spells like force-field and crushing prison which will take out individuals who are giving you grief (like mages) for a short period of time so they don't take down your other characters too quickly. Have a look at the character builds forums for how to get to them.

[hexaligned]

Sounds more like a build issue, than a tactics issue.

Some general rules of thumb :

Make sure you are using a dedicated tank, by which I mean using taunt. Putting points into dex over const on your tank is going to result in less damage taken, less mana spent on healing, and more mana spent on killing.

Make sure you pick up the decent CC skills early on for your warrior and rogues. They are most useful pre level 12ish, Also make sure your mage has one or two to cycle through, I recommend cone of cold and paralyze, both can be picked up fairly early, they should take priority over DD at the start of combat.

[weism]

Another thing, if you want less micromanagement and generally make your life alot easier, learn how to set tactics. Especially mage tactics.

Morrigan for example, I always go full sleep and horror line ASAP, so I can sleep and horror packs of mobs, and then either flame or ice buff, then heal, then rock armor, then Mana clash (insta kill enemy mages, only spell worth using in this line, unfortunately it's at end of the line, but still worth it). Then at lvl 14 spec her to Arcane warrior, and get all AW spells ASAP. That's my preference.

About tactics, the order of your tactics is of paramount importance, if your tactic order is wrong, you will scratch your head trying to figure out it doesn't do what you think it should do.
For all your chars, your tactic sequence should be:
First: Self survival stuff, like heal self, quaff health potion,
Second: Heal allies or protect ally tactics, (shield warrior for exampl: bash enemy that is attacking morrigan)
Third: is attack enemy tactics

All tactics should follow this order. For morrigan, she has rock armor and weapon buffs on at all times, tactics what I do is follow:
Line 1: Self-->Health less than 50%-->heal self
Line 2: Self-->health less than 50%--> activate shimmering shield ( when you got it)
Line 3: Self-->health less than 25%-->use least powerful health poultice
At early lvls when you have limited tactics slot, only line 1 is suffice, but change "heal self" to "use least powerful health poultice"
Line 4: Allies-->health less than 50%--> heal ally (80% is too high, a waste of mana, and also she will do nothing but healing, very bad)
Line 5:enemy-->clustered--> at least 4 enemies--> SleeP
Line 6: enemy-->clustered--> at least 3 enemies--> waking nightmare
5 and 6 are combo spells, at beginning of battle though, you may want to pause and micro manage those 2 spells to get maximum benefit

Line 7: Enemy-->Target of whoever you want-->winter's grasp

That's my morrigan's tactics in a nutshell, other more advanced spells, do it yourself.
One suggestion for all your other chars, make their first line of tactics as follow:
Line1: self-->health less than 25%-->use least powerful health poultice

Modifié par weism, 10 avril 2010 - 09:06 .

[UpiH]

I'm currently at a mage Nightmare run with Awakenings (meaning 1.3 patch on Origins) and the DLC:s. Interestingly, some battles appeared to be easier than on normal in spite of those "resisted" messages. No need for F9, not even once, no injuries, no friendly fire. Just a couple of potions used.



All in all: Once you get to know, what's coming in your direction you know how to counter it. Part of the appeal of the game is just to get to know how to counter each and every meanie.



I'm not much of a gamer, though. At first I found the game tedious, now I can enjoy the story in full. Such is the learning curve of this game. Have fun!

[oyzar]

Awakenings is supposedly easier on nightmare than origins on normal though. I guess it is largely because it is made so it should be beatable no matter what sort of character you bring from origins.

[UpiH]

I meant, I have the 1.3 patch atm. Just defeated the ogre in the Tower of Ishal. The Lucky Stone, The Helm of the Deep and the Pearl of the Anointed from the DLC in use atm. So, there's much to do, if I am to "beat" the game without reloads, injuries or friendly fire.

[crawfs]

Equip warriors with massive armor leliana medium armor if your using her as an archer and light armor if she's DW.



To get exp the best way to do it isonce you've finished the dalish quest varathorn sells infinite elfroot fill up you inventory and go back to camp and go to a box that is ally supply box and give supplies which is elfroot to the dalish you get I think 10xp per one elfroot



P.S with attribute focus on mainly strength with your PC and Alistair sometimes get aa few point into either const or willpower with Morrigan Magic and Willpower but all ways have magic higher than willpower and leliana dexterity and cunning

[UpiH]

Methinks you kinda mix up the words "best" and "easy" or "cheesy". The best way imho is just play the game by not exploiting bugs and glitches. Bug-using is just cheating by another name. Of course one may do whatever one wants, 'ts a single player game, not any contest.

[BBO-IceMan]

Well, I have been taking some advice given here: I changed up the AI for my group and have been trying to get my strength up to use better armor, but my Dwarf is also a dual-wielder, though he continues to be the longest, usually, that lasts in battle. It's still fun. I am not dying as much.

I got the DLC so I could get the King's Armor and weapons, which really helps out a lot now, and I did buy the game from Direct2Drive, so I get the Dragon Armor at some point...though I can't afford it really yet.

I got Shield Wall for Allister and it seems to be working a bit better all around.

I'll keep you updated through my travels...but THANK you again for the reccomendations. It really helped out.

Modifié par BBO-IceMan, 11 avril 2010 - 05:51 .

[Hundbert]

I'm fairly certain i know the answer to the op's problems.

This: http://dragonage.wik...allenge_Scaling



That was the reason i had to reload almost all battles, set some to easy and became really frustrated when i started playing this great game.