Oh ok, well she has a darker side I suppose, but look at who her mother was. One could say that she is going through a stage in her life right now. Even though she is ~100, she still comes across as a fairly young female ~20s? trying to find her way.justinnstuff wrote...
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The characters are very important IMO. The deeper the better IMO. I don't think you have to make a character evil to have depth though. Samara and Jack aren't evil, but they both have good depth IMO.justinnstuff wrote...
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Look at it this way op. Their is more depth to her character now.
Do you want to give a character depth? Just make them evil!! That's so much more deep than anything good can ever be!!
I know Johnny. I was being sarcastic. That was just the route they took to make Liara's character more "in-depth". Instead they ruined it <_<
Low blow, Liara!
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Oh, I see. She still helped though.gutty47 wrote...
Spoilers for Redemption ... obviously.Collider wrote...
Explain...I didn't read the comics. The impression I got from other people was that Liara saved Shepard.
Really condensed version:
Feron was a shadow broker agent who thought giving Shepard to the collectors was a bad idea. He connected with TIM and got Cerberus help. Then he meets Liara. Feron has all the knowledge on the deal and ends up sacrificing himself to get Shepard and Liara out.. *cue events of ME2*
Liara was essentially a grunt, and not essential to the saviour of Shepard. Cerberus had a much bigger role than Liara.
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Oh ok, well she has a darker side I suppose, but look at who her mother was. One could say that she is going through a stage in her life right now. Even though she is ~100, she still comes across as a fairly young female ~20s? trying to find her way.
Yeah, she's still my #1 LI, and we still have future content and ME3 for the story to delve further. There's still so many unknown issues with her character arc. The comic didn't give us any new relevant info. I guess you can say I'm just a bit bitter, but that will go away in time
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Are you sure justin? Shouldn't the comics have given the impression of why she is so fervent on getting revenge for Feron?
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Oh, I see. She still helped though.gutty47 wrote...
Spoilers for Redemption ... obviously.Collider wrote...
Explain...I didn't read the comics. The impression I got from other people was that Liara saved Shepard.
Really condensed version:
Feron was a shadow broker agent who thought giving Shepard to the collectors was a bad idea. He connected with TIM and got Cerberus help. Then he meets Liara. Feron has all the knowledge on the deal and ends up sacrificing himself to get Shepard and Liara out.. *cue events of ME2*
Liara was essentially a grunt, and not essential to the saviour of Shepard. Cerberus had a much bigger role than Liara.
Yeah, those two together finished the mission. Personally if Feron didn't help out Shepard still wouldn't be alive. I hope if they do anything with the shadow broker in terms of a mission, we should get to help out Feron because he did help out and was integral in Shep's revival.
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Oh, I see. She still helped though.
She did all the fighting and the biotics work. She helped save Shepard as much as Shepard helped defeat the Collectors.
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Are you sure justin? Shouldn't the comics have given the impression of why she is so fervent on getting revenge for Feron?
Nah, they didn't tell us anything we already didn't know. It's also strange in the comic how Liara tells Miranda "I don't know what your obsession is with reviving Shepard, maybe you should just let the dead go". Not word for word but that's the idea. Then in ME2 she gives shep the line about "i gave you over to Cerberus because I couldn't let you go." Direct contradiction. I don't know which side to believe. The story didn't get much continuity.
He made a sacrifice to revive Shep, but now that Shep's alive, she doesn't really take much notice but is instead dead set on killing the Shadow Broker. Wouldn't she be more mad at the collectors for killing Shepard in the first place?
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I hate Liara anymore...my FemShep has a better ME2 option anyways.
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I think most of the players initially walked away from their encounters with the ME1 characters with a little bit of a sour taste in their mouths. Weak or intentional by Bioware? I would think intentional, but that is just speculation on my part.justinnstuff wrote...
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Oh ok, well she has a darker side I suppose, but look at who her mother was. One could say that she is going through a stage in her life right now. Even though she is ~100, she still comes across as a fairly young female ~20s? trying to find her way.
Yeah, she's still my #1 LI, and we still have future content and ME3 for the story to delve further. There's still so many unknown issues with her character arc. The comic didn't give us any new relevant info. I guess you can say I'm just a bit bitter, but that will go away in time
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I hate Liara anymore...my FemShep has a better ME2 option anyways.
Hate is a harsh word, and I'm really surprised to see that coming from you
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I hate Liara anymore...my FemShep has a better ME2 option anyways.
.....Jacob?
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I assume you are being jocular?jlb524 wrote...
I hate Liara anymore...my FemShep has a better ME2 option anyways.
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I think most of the players initially walked away from their encounters with the ME1 characters with a little bit of a sour taste in their mouths. Weak or intentional by Bioware? I would think intentional, but that is just speculation on my part.justinnstuff wrote...
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Oh ok, well she has a darker side I suppose, but look at who her mother was. One could say that she is going through a stage in her life right now. Even though she is ~100, she still comes across as a fairly young female ~20s? trying to find her way.
Yeah, she's still my #1 LI, and we still have future content and ME3 for the story to delve further. There's still so many unknown issues with her character arc. The comic didn't give us any new relevant info. I guess you can say I'm just a bit bitter, but that will go away in time
Yeah I agree. Ask/Kaidan got sidelined as well. I feel sorry for those guys too. I know this was supposed to be the "rocky part of the relationship" but they make it seem like it doesn't exist anymore. Either way though, speculation or not, we won't know for sure until future releases!! For now I'll just relax and enjoy what we've got going. I enjoyed ME2 despite the Liara fiasco, and the kasumi DLC gives me hope for BioWares future DLC plans.
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I hate Liara anymore...my FemShep has a better ME2 option anyways.
.....Jacob?
Taking on Jacob is a heavy risk...
ok fine, I'll stop
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There is already a couple of those threads going isn't there?justinnstuff wrote...
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I hate Liara anymore...my FemShep has a better ME2 option anyways.
.....Jacob?
Taking on Jacob is a heavy risk...
ok fine, I'll stop
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There is already a couple of those threads going isn't there?
I said I was going to stop
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She said that line to find out why Cerberus wants Shepard. It makes sense as she wouldn't want to get Shepard out of the frying pan and into the fire after all that work. Obviously she cares about Shepard LI or not and did want to bring you back.justinnstuff wrote...
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Are you sure justin? Shouldn't the comics have given the impression of why she is so fervent on getting revenge for Feron?
Nah, they didn't tell us anything we already didn't know. It's also strange in the comic how Liara tells Miranda "I don't know what your obsession is with reviving Shepard, maybe you should just let the dead go". Not word for word but that's the idea. Then in ME2 she gives shep the line about "i gave you over to Cerberus because I couldn't let you go." Direct contradiction. I don't know which side to believe. The story didn't get much continuity.
He made a sacrifice to revive Shep, but now that Shep's alive, she doesn't really take much notice but is instead dead set on killing the Shadow Broker. Wouldn't she be more mad at the collectors for killing Shepard in the first place?
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Nah, they didn't tell us anything we already didn't know. It's also strange in the comic how Liara tells Miranda "I don't know what your obsession is with reviving Shepard, maybe you should just let the dead go". Not word for word but that's the idea. Then in ME2 she gives shep the line about "i gave you over to Cerberus because I couldn't let you go." Direct contradiction. I don't know which side to believe. The story didn't get much continuity.
He made a sacrifice to revive Shep, but now that Shep's alive, she doesn't really take much notice but is instead dead set on killing the Shadow Broker. Wouldn't she be more mad at the collectors for killing Shepard in the first place?
You can still work i into what Liara tells you in ME2, it's just that you have to look deeper because the scripting is so pants. <_<
Miranda tells an obviously guilty Liara at the end that the damage to Shep's corpse is far worse than they feared, and that the Lazarus Project may not work as well as they hope.
What Liara then appears to express is worry for what's going to happen to Shep when he/she's revived, that they'll bring Shepard back as some undead zombie husk monstrosity. What they're trying to show here is the beginning of her guilt, as shown in ME2. It's also showing how Liara is lying to herself that she's doing it for Shepard's sake, as she says in ME2, when it's really her own desire to bring Shepard back as she "couldn't let you go." She's lying to herself to soothe her own guilty conscience, when she's really desperate for Cerberus to revive Shepard. The fact that she leaves Shepard to be revived by Cerberus anyway speaks volumes, especially after speaking her concerns.
Really though, the presentation and scripting in the comic is so poor that it's not really worth analysing lines and facial expressions. It's a completely fruitless and pointless task.
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Giving the body to cerberus was a heavy risk...
but the priiiiiize
she didn't come here to talk...
DAMNIT I MUST STOP =(
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She said that line to find out why Cerberus wants Shepard. It makes sense as she wouldn't want to get Shepard out of the frying pan and into the fire after all that work. Obviously she cares about Shepard LI or not and did want to bring you back.
How do you know that for sure? Interesting way to look at it. I never thought about it that way.
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I hate Liara anymore...my FemShep has a better ME2 option anyways.
Hate is a harsh word, and I'm really surprised to see that coming from you
It's what BW wants and I always listen to them.
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Nah, they didn't tell us anything we already didn't know. It's also strange in the comic how Liara tells Miranda "I don't know what your obsession is with reviving Shepard, maybe you should just let the dead go". Not word for word but that's the idea. Then in ME2 she gives shep the line about "i gave you over to Cerberus because I couldn't let you go." Direct contradiction. I don't know which side to believe. The story didn't get much continuity.
He made a sacrifice to revive Shep, but now that Shep's alive, she doesn't really take much notice but is instead dead set on killing the Shadow Broker. Wouldn't she be more mad at the collectors for killing Shepard in the first place?
You can still work i into what Liara tells you in ME2, it's just that you have to look deeper because the scripting is so pants. <_<
Miranda tells an obviously guilty Liara at the end that the damage to Shep's corpse is far worse than they feared, and that the Lazarus Project may not work as well as they hope.
What Liara then appears to express is worry for what's going to happen to Shep when he/she's revived, that they'll bring Shepard back as some undead zombie husk monstrosity. What they're trying to show here is the beginning of her guilt, as shown in ME2. It's also showing how Liara is lying to herself that she's doing it for Shepard's sake, as she says in ME2, when it's really her own desire to bring Shepard back as she "couldn't let you go." She's lying to herself to soothe her own guilty conscience, when she's really desperate for Cerberus to revive Shepard. The fact that she leaves Shepard to be revived by Cerberus anyway speaks volumes, especially after speaking her concerns.
Really though, the presentation and scripting in the comic is so poor that it's not really worth analysing lines and facial expressions. It's a completely fruitless and pointless task.
It's so "pants". I like that line
Anywho, I see where you're coming from.
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I hate Liara anymore...my FemShep has a better ME2 option anyways.
Hate is a harsh word, and I'm really surprised to see that coming from you
It's what BW wants and I always listen to them.
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I have not kept up with the comics myself, but aren't they seperate from the video game? I mean yeah they are both Mass Effect, but aren't they independent so to speak from one another in regards to the specifics of the storyline?LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
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Nah, they didn't tell us anything we already didn't know. It's also strange in the comic how Liara tells Miranda "I don't know what your obsession is with reviving Shepard, maybe you should just let the dead go". Not word for word but that's the idea. Then in ME2 she gives shep the line about "i gave you over to Cerberus because I couldn't let you go." Direct contradiction. I don't know which side to believe. The story didn't get much continuity.
He made a sacrifice to revive Shep, but now that Shep's alive, she doesn't really take much notice but is instead dead set on killing the Shadow Broker. Wouldn't she be more mad at the collectors for killing Shepard in the first place?
You can still work i into what Liara tells you in ME2, it's just that you have to look deeper because the scripting is so pants. <_<
Miranda tells an obviously guilty Liara at the end that the damage to Shep's corpse is far worse than they feared, and that the Lazarus Project may not work as well as they hope.
What Liara then appears to express is worry for what's going to happen to Shep when he/she's revived, that they'll bring Shepard back as some undead zombie husk monstrosity. What they're trying to show here is the beginning of her guilt, as shown in ME2. It's also showing how Liara is lying to herself that she's doing it for Shepard's sake, as she says in ME2, when it's really her own desire to bring Shepard back as she "couldn't let you go." She's lying to herself to soothe her own guilty conscience, when she's really desperate for Cerberus to revive Shepard. The fact that she leaves Shepard to be revived by Cerberus anyway speaks volumes, especially after speaking her concerns.
Really though, the presentation and scripting in the comic is so poor that it's not really worth analysing lines and facial expressions. It's a completely fruitless and pointless task.
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The comics bridge ME1 to ME2. Liara alludes to the fact that she helped secure Shepard's body as well as the Feron guy.
