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[AntiChri5]

RiouHotaru wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Hmmm...I'd say that the Vindicator vs. Locust isn't so clear-cut. Remember, the Vindicator fires a 3-shot burst, and has a painfully low magazine count. The Locust is single-shot burst, which is infinitely superior if you ask me, since you can take single shots. I've not played a Soldier yet, since Infiltrator is just too good for me, so I can't say whether ARs are hot stuff or not.

So....in other words, you have no idea what you are talking about? Please refrain from commenting until you have used both on the same difficulty.

I can use the available in-game data to draw a conclusion, or form an opinion.

Data cannot convey how a weapon handles or how much you like it. I have looked at the data for the Claymore quite a bit but never taken it so i am not entitled to make a claim about it's effectiveness. I can say what the data seems to represent. Someone could never play ME 2 in their life but look at the data for an hour.....would you listen to them?

[RiouHotaru]

Well, you can certainly watch vids of other people using it to get an idea of it's effectiveness or useage, and that can serve as second-hand knowledge.

[implodinggoat]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Hmmm...I'd say that the Vindicator vs. Locust isn't so clear-cut. Remember, the Vindicator fires a 3-shot burst, and has a painfully low magazine count. The Locust is single-shot burst, which is infinitely superior if you ask me, since you can take single shots. I've not played a Soldier yet, since Infiltrator is just too good for me, so I can't say whether ARs are hot stuff or not.

The Vindicator is incredible if you're a soldier since the slowdown from adrenaline rush gives you the accuracy to make headshots with the Vindicator at will and since headshots deal double damage each one lays down an obscene amount of damage.  Its still a good weapon for other classes; but without the slowdown the percentage of headshots you make with it drops off.  I'm pretty good at shooters (beat Gears of War on Hardcore, couldn't quite handle Insanity) and I'd say without adrenaline rush, I score about 50% to 60% headshots with the Vindicator depending on the range; but with adrenaline rush I score around 95% headshots.  If you like accuracy then nothing beats a soldier sporting a Vindicator + Widow combo which is my personal favorite way to play.

Since other classes don't have Adrenaline Rush though they can't match the accuracy (or the +140% weapon damage bonus that heightened adrenaline rush gives you) that a soldier has with an assault rifle and thus the low ammo reserve of the Vindicator becomes a serious issue if you try to use it as your primary weapon.

If you have the locust skip on assault rifles, since you'll probably be almost as effective with it as you would with the Vindicator and I say this as someone who's favorite weapon in the entire game is the Vindicator.    The Locust really gives you a great all purpose gun so I'm inclined to think that on the Collector ship....

#1:  Infiltrators:  Should take the mighty Widow unless you want to play using the shotgun cloak combo.
#2:  Vanguards:  Shold take the Claymore since it can one shot kill enemies more often than the Eviscerator.
#3:  Engineers and Adepts:  Should take the Sniper RIfle since you don't want to get to close, and...
#4:  Sentinels:  Should take Shotguns if you want to charge in aggressively , Sniper Rifles if you don't.
#5:  Soldiers:   Revenant if you want to charge in aggressively like a tank, Widow if you prefer to hang back and dismantle your enemies like a surgeon or the Claymore if you're uber aggressive and want to get face to face before you blow your enemies away with one shot.

[implodinggoat]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Data cannot convey how a weapon handles or how much you like it. I have looked at the data for the Claymore quite a bit but never taken it so i am not entitled to make a claim about it's effectiveness. I can say what the data seems to represent. Someone could never play ME 2 in their life but look at the data for an hour.....would you listen to them?

The Claymore is actually an excellent example of why you have to use a gun before you can truly judge how effective it is.  If you look at the weapon damage for the Claymore, you'll notice that its damage isn't that much higher than the Eviscerator, while its effective range is less and its reload rate is slower.   However; in the hands of a Vanguard a single shot from the Claymore will instantly kill any low level enemy after you use charge on them while the Eviscerator will take 2 shots or 1 shot and a couple melee strikes (on Insanity).   I wouldn't reccomend the Claymore for anyone other than the Vanguard; but the case demonstrates that unlike ME1 you can't judge the merits of a gun in ME2 entirely by the numbers.

[BigNorm]

i'm currently running an adept.. but how do you get the M-76 Revenant? i have assault rifle training...


also, just registered my copy of Dragon Age Origins. where and how do i get that sweet Blood Dragon Armor? thanks

Modifié par BigNorm, 11 avril 2010 - 09:20 .

[Serillen]

BigNorm wrote...

i'm currently running an adept.. but how do you get the M-76 Revenant? i have assault rifle training...


also, just registered my copy of Dragon Age Origins. where and how do i get that sweet Blood Dragon Armor? thanks

Only Soldiers can get the Revenant, because you need assault rifle training before you get to the collector ship in order to pick the revenant as an option.

As for Blood Dragon Armor, you can download it from here social.bioware.com/user_entitlements.php

[implodinggoat]

BigNorm wrote...

i'm currently running an adept.. but how do you get the M-76 Revenant? i have assault rifle training...


also, just registered my copy of Dragon Age Origins. where and how do i get that sweet Blood Dragon Armor? thanks

You unlock the Revenant on the Collector ship, in the same manner you unlock the Widow Sniper Rifle, the Claymore Shotgun, or an additional weapon class.  If you already have a weapon class unlocked then you can acquire training to unlock one of the three guns which recquire additional training.  Thus Vanguards and Soldiers can unlock the Claymore since they already have access to the shotgun weapon class, Soldiers and Infiltrators can unlock the Widow since they both have access to sniper rifles already, and only Soldiers can unlock the Revenant since only they have access to Assault Rifles without additional training on the Collector Ship. 

In any case you only get one choice so if a soldier unlocks the Revenant they have to pass on the Widow and Claymore and if a Vanguard unlocks the Claymore then they must pass on unlocking access to Assault Rifles or Sniper Rifles.  Unfortunately visiting the Collector Ship again after staring a new game with an existing ME2 character doesn't give you a chance to choose additional training.  I can understand how allowing any class to unlock every weapon class might unbalance the game; but it seems to me that giving the player an option to unlock one of, or an additional one of the special weapons upon  revisiting the Collector ship would only add variety and replay value.   Were such a change implemented it would allow your Adept to pick up the Revenant during a second playthrough; but as things stand your adept will never be able to use the Revenant without modding the game.

If you own the PC version there are some mods out there that will allow you to give your character access to whatever weapon you want in up to 4 of the 5 available weapon classes.  For example you could mod the game so that your Adept could have access to SMGs, Assault Rifles, Shotguns, and Sniper Rifles and could simultaneously equip the Locust, the Revenant, the Widow, and the Claymore.   If however you have the 360 version as I do then you're just **** out of luck when it comes to creating a Revenant wielding adept. 

NOTE:  As with any mod or cheat exploiting it could potentially impede your ability to upload your ME2 save to ME3.

RE:  Blood Dragon Armor.

I have the Blood Dragon Armor and as I recall once you've registered your copy of Dragon Age you should get an email on board the Normandy informing you that the Blood Dragon armor has been delivered to your ship at which point you can equip it in the armor locker by moving the top slider on the armor customization screen until you see the Blood Dragon Armor.

PS:  I noticed you have the PC version of ME2 so you can mod if you want.  As I recall changing your weapons is one of the easier changes you can make using the Gibbed Save Editor.

You can find more info on the Gibbed Save Editor and a link to download it here...

http://www.masseffec...ial=saveEdit#12

Modifié par implodinggoat, 11 avril 2010 - 10:39 .

[Rikketik]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

I agree your back get's cluttered with all the guns but just bringing one gun doesn't make much sense.

Or BioWare could just add the option of toggling weapon visibility.

[implodinggoat]

Rikketik wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

I agree your back get's cluttered with all the guns but just bringing one gun doesn't make much sense.

Or BioWare could just add the option of toggling weapon visibility.

It could be done since they already make a gun invisible for any character who has both pistols and SMGs equipped.  I wouldn't count on it though, considering the unanswered pleas for a helmet toggle in ME2.

[edgar95]

Lord Coake wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

Not for a soldier since adrenaline rush allows you to use the Vindicator's superior accuracy to score multiple headshots; but for every other class the fully automatic albeit somewhat less accurate Locust is superior.

Less accurate? It has no recoil. You can unload a full clip into an enemies head pretty easy. Even if they're far away. It's a bit op actually.

The Vindicator also has no recoil and the Locust reticle isn't as small and precise as on the Vindicator which means your bullets will spray over a larger area at longer ranges. Due to the larger reticle there is a small degree of bullet spread on the Locust which causes a few of the rounds to miss their target, with the Vindicator every single round goes exactly where you're aiming.

Correctomundo.  The Locust is awesome for shot/medium range, and pretty much negates the need for SMG using classes to go for AR's.  The Vindicator is  awesome at medium/long range, and pretty much negates the need for soldiers to take SMG's for shrot range punch.

The Locust is pretty much there to add some variety for Engineers and Adepts.  For both classes, the weapon choice on the Collector Ship is pretty obvious; Assault Rifles.  Vangaurds use mostly shotguns, Soldiers are artists with AR's, and infiltrators are born with sniper rifles in their hands.  For them, the Locust is merely a neat toy that fills a niche they never really needed filled.  Sentinels, because of their horrendous defensive capability, can use whatever they dammed well please.

Locust is a specialists weapon, AR's of all types are the ultimate generalists.***


***Though I prefer an Avenger after the accuracy mod is researched.  Pretty much negates the Vin's advantage, while maintianing the Averngers massive ammo load.

I agree on that one, + why does everyone speak of the accuracy, it's just to aim and shot, if u can't hold down the hipfire go for a sniper rifle instead

[implodinggoat]

edgar95 wrote...

I agree on that one, + why does everyone speak of the accuracy, it's just to aim and shot, if u can't hold down the hipfire go for a sniper rifle instead

As I said only the Soldier can fully exploit the Vindicator's accuracy since only the soldier can get the bullet time effect of adrenaline rush while using the Vindicator.  The advantage over a sniper rifle is that it doesn't have a scope which allows you to rapidly switch between targets.   The Viper sniper rifle is a superior weapon for any class other than the soldier since the scope makes lining up accurate shots easier; but the scope comes at a cost since when you fire the Viper (as with all Sniper Rifles) you have to aim, kill your target and then zoom out (likely reload) and aim again.  In contrast when you use the Vindicator you can lay down headshots on a target till they drop then move onto the next target and unload headshots till they drop and then move onto the next target and unload headshots till they drop.  With heightened adrenaline rush and a Vindicator,  On Insanity I can regularly take down 3 low level enemies (collector troopers, merc troopers, Fenris mechs, etc.) before my adrenaline rush runs out and while it's active my enemies are practically standing still relative to me.   So I can basically kill 3 enemies in the span of about 5 seconds.  There is no other gun in the game that can lay down that much hurtin that fast, not even the Revenant.

[edgar95]

implodinggoat wrote...

edgar95 wrote...

I agree on that one, + why does everyone speak of the accuracy, it's just to aim and shot, if u can't hold down the hipfire go for a sniper rifle instead

As I said only the Soldier can fully exploit the Vindicator's accuracy since only the soldier can get the bullet time effect of adrenaline rush while using the Vindicator.  The advantage over a sniper rifle is that it doesn't have a scope which allows you to rapidly switch between targets.   The Viper sniper rifle is a superior weapon for any class other than the soldier since the scope makes lining up accurate shots easier; but the scope comes at a cost since when you fire the Viper (as with all Sniper Rifles) you have to aim, kill your target and then zoom out (likely reload) and aim again.  In contrast when you use the Vindicator you can lay down headshots on a target till they drop then move onto the next target and unload headshots till they drop and then move onto the next target and unload headshots till they drop.  With heightened adrenaline rush and a Vindicator,  On Insanity I can regularly take down 3 low level enemies (collector troopers, merc troopers, Fenris mechs, etc.) before my adrenaline rush runs out and while it's active my enemies are practically standing still relative to me.   So I can basically kill 3 enemies in the span of about 5 seconds.  There is no other gun in the game that can lay down that much hurtin that fast, not even the Revenant.

actually... that makes pretty much sense to me

[swk3000]

BigNorm wrote...

i'm currently running an adept.. but how do you get the M-76 Revenant? i have assault rifle training...


also, just registered my copy of Dragon Age Origins. where and how do i get that sweet Blood Dragon Armor? thanks

The Revenant question has been answered.

As for the Blood Dragon armor, here's what you need to do.

1. Open up Dragon Age Origins. You should have bought it new. If you did, you'll find a card with a 16-digit code on it. If you find one for Shale, turn the card over, and you should see the one for the Blood Dragon Armor.

2. Put in Dragon Age and start it up.

3. At the main menu, select 'Downloadable Content'.

4. On the screen somewhere, it should have an option to put in an EA code. On the 360, this is the Y button. Activate it.

5. Put in the 16 digit code for the Blood Dragon Armor.

6. Download the armor.

That gets you the armor for Dragon Age. On the 360, that's all you need to do. The content that gives the Blood Dragon Armor for Dragon Age also contains the data for the Blood Dragon Armor for Mass Effect 2, so you'll have a message from the Illusive Man at the Normandy the next time you fire up the game. From there, just head to the Captain's Cabin and you'll be able to equip the Blood Dragon Armor.

There may be extra steps to get it for the PC version. However, I don't have the PC version, so if you do, I can't help you with that portion. Sorry.

[Gravbh]

The vindicator is better than the locust, but not enough to forego either a shotgun or sniper rifle for the "caster" classes at least imo. I'd rather have a shotgun/sniper rifle and a slightly worse vindicator(locust) than just a vindicator on my adept.

[Gravbh]

edgar95 wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

edgar95 wrote...

I agree on that one, + why does everyone speak of the accuracy, it's just to aim and shot, if u can't hold down the hipfire go for a sniper rifle instead

As I said only the Soldier can fully exploit the Vindicator's accuracy since only the soldier can get the bullet time effect of adrenaline rush while using the Vindicator.  The advantage over a sniper rifle is that it doesn't have a scope which allows you to rapidly switch between targets.   The Viper sniper rifle is a superior weapon for any class other than the soldier since the scope makes lining up accurate shots easier; but the scope comes at a cost since when you fire the Viper (as with all Sniper Rifles) you have to aim, kill your target and then zoom out (likely reload) and aim again.  In contrast when you use the Vindicator you can lay down headshots on a target till they drop then move onto the next target and unload headshots till they drop and then move onto the next target and unload headshots till they drop.  With heightened adrenaline rush and a Vindicator,  On Insanity I can regularly take down 3 low level enemies (collector troopers, merc troopers, Fenris mechs, etc.) before my adrenaline rush runs out and while it's active my enemies are practically standing still relative to me.   So I can basically kill 3 enemies in the span of about 5 seconds.  There is no other gun in the game that can lay down that much hurtin that fast, not even the Revenant.

actually... that makes pretty much sense to me

I agree completely. The vindicator is a truly amazing weapon on a soldier if you're good at headshots.

[mosor]

The vindicator is amazing on a soldier even if you don't line up headshots consistently. That 140% extra damage during a heightened adrenaline rush lets you massacre people. Still prefer the Revenant over the Widow and vidicator, since 3 quick shots with the viper will kill any low level enemy using a soldier.



On caster classes, I don't notice much difference between a locust and vindcator in dps. Would be better to take the sniper or shotgun. The viper is particularly nice against armored guys. Don't mind unloading a couple clips rapidly on a scion just to get it out of the way when playing an adept since I don't shoot as much.

[tonnactus]

Gravbh wrote...

The vindicator is better than the locust, but not enough to forego either a shotgun or sniper rifle for the "caster" classes at least imo. I'd rather have a shotgun/sniper rifle and a slightly worse vindicator(locust) than just a vindicator on my adept.

Smgs are ineffektive against armor.The vindicator seems to be better against it then even the carnifex.Maybee because of the higher rate of fire.

[Gravbh]

tonnactus wrote...

Gravbh wrote...

The vindicator is better than the locust, but not enough to forego either a shotgun or sniper rifle for the "caster" classes at least imo. I'd rather have a shotgun/sniper rifle and a slightly worse vindicator(locust) than just a vindicator on my adept.

Smgs are ineffektive against armor.The vindicator seems to be better against it then even the carnifex.Maybee because of the higher rate of fire.

Actually I believe the locust has the same damage multipliers as assault rifles. It's definitely better against armor than the other smgs.

[tonnactus]

Gravbh wrote...

Actually I believe the locust has the same damage multipliers as assault rifles. It's definitely better against armor than the other smgs.

You are right.
http://masseffect.wi...iki/M-12_Locust

But this make the weapon idiotic.Because its just an assault rifle that looks like an smg.
It would be be better if they remove smgs completly from the game and give all classes access to assault rifles.

[tonnactus]

Gravbh wrote...

Actually I believe the locust has the same damage multipliers as assault rifles. It's definitely better against armor than the other smgs.

You are right.
http://masseffect.wi...iki/M-12_Locust

But this make the weapon idiotic.Because its just an assault rifle that looks like an smg.
It would be be better if they remove smgs completly from the game and give all classes access to assault rifles.

[Gravbh]

tonnactus wrote...

Gravbh wrote...

Actually I believe the locust has the same damage multipliers as assault rifles. It's definitely better against armor than the other smgs.

You are right.
http://masseffect.wi...iki/M-12_Locust

But this make the weapon idiotic.Because its just an assault rifle that looks like an smg.
It would be be better if they remove smgs completly from the game and give all classes access to assault rifles.

While I personally like having the option of adding either a sniper rifle or shotgun to my adept without losing the functionality of the vindicator due to the locust, you are correct that assault rifles are now pretty much useless as a bonus weapon.

[edgar95]

tonnactus wrote...

Gravbh wrote...

Actually I believe the locust has the same damage multipliers as assault rifles. It's definitely better against armor than the other smgs.

You are right.
http://masseffect.wi...iki/M-12_Locust

But this make the weapon idiotic.Because its just an assault rifle that looks like an smg.
It would be be better if they remove smgs completly from the game and give all classes access to assault rifles.

then it wouldn't be any reason to be soldier....

[simpatikool]

I really am a fan of the SMG. Even after the locust, I find the Tempest to be the most fun. Especially, when I am just firing mad in more of a general direction than anything else.

[OniGanon]

The Locust should still be better vs shields and ARs better vs armour, due to SMG shield piercing and AR penetration bonuses respectively.

[tonnactus]

edgar95 wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

Gravbh wrote...

Actually I believe the locust has the same damage multipliers as assault rifles. It's definitely better against armor than the other smgs.

You are right.
http://masseffect.wi...iki/M-12_Locust

But this make the weapon idiotic.Because its just an assault rifle that looks like an smg.
It would be be better if they remove smgs completly from the game and give all classes access to assault rifles.

then it wouldn't be any reason to be soldier....

What? Dps from Adrenaline Rush, Durability through high health and shields, acess to all ammo powers.
The Mass Effect 2 soldier is not as boring as the one from the first game.