If you wish too? yes you would be justified. Though Liara does display her love in words and actions, moreso than Tali... when was the last time Tali saved Shepard's life?[/quote]
Are you implying that someone has to save one another life's to display love? The fact that she trusts Shepard enough to show him her face is words and actions. She could literally die from it, whereas there is very little trust involved in Liara's romance in ME1 compared to Tali's romance. You can talk about the Liara comics but:
Liara's dealings with the Shadow Broker in Cerberus was between two games. There was no Tali romance in ME1. [quote]
[/quote][quote]Maybe I am wrong, but I fail to remember any significant words from her regarding decisions I made.[/quote]
You are wrong. She talks about the Rachni decision, Wrex, Feros, Virmire, etc, in her romance.
[quote]Or you assign more weight to offhanded comments she makes while in the party than I do. I have deleted references you made that I felt she had a self interest in and had nothing to do with what Shepard actually thinks or your relationship with her. I added one to your list that I feel does relate to Tali paying attention to Shepard.[/quote]
How on earth does self interest matter? She is commenting on Shepard's decision, which is exactly what you said she almost never did. And you have omitted way too many. You include whether or not the Quarians go to war but you don't include Legion and the Heretics, for example? Wtf?
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Liara has just as much history with Shepard as Tali.[/quote]
I am talking about the romance. Tali has more history with Shepard when the romance begins than Liara has with Shepard when the romance begins. Considering we are talking about Liara and Tali being justified in their romance with Shepard, this is important.
[quote]When fighting Benezia Liara immediately sides with Shepard without question; Despite, how traumatic it would be to have to have a death match with your own mother![/quote]
Jax, do you not see how funny this is? You just removed the examples I gave of Tali reacting to Shepard that you felt she "had a self interest" in, yet most of the examples you give are self interest. Such as:
[quote] When on Noveria she tries to be humble and asks if Shepard wants to have her wait on the ship since her mother is on the planet.[/quote]
[quote]When fighting Benezia Liara immediately sides with Shepard without question; Despite, how traumatic it would be to have to have a death match with your own mother![/quote]
[quote]When you deal with Wrex on Virmire, Liara has an opinion... I forget what Tali said but I distinctly remember that it had nothing to do with Wrex.[/quote]
Really, if you don't remember what she said, don't even mention it. I've already many more examples of Tali giving her opinion on things that do not directly concern her.
[quote]When fighting Sovereign, Liara tries to comfort you by suggesting you abandon the Council and save the human fleet for the Citadel. That is a very Renegade thing to say and completely against Liara's paragon nature... especially in the first game.[/quote]
You don't understand how ME1 worked. Who said the paragon or renegade quote was due to what slot they are in.. They are priorities, but you changed the other character you had with Liara and switched Liara's slot, she would go the paragon route. So this by no means is even an indication of her going by her renegade nature truly, this is you putting Liara in the first or second slot possibly alongside someone else paragon with Kaidan.
[quote] When you meet Liara for the first time? she hugs and kisses you, only if you had a prior relationship with her; But breaks it off to protect him from her new enemies.[/quote]
How is this even relevant? There was no romance with Tali in ME1, of course there is not going to be any affection of that sort. When you meet Tali in ME2, there is also a different context and situation. She's with her people in a warzone, not snug in an office like Liara was.
Breaks it off to protect him from her new enemies? Is that why she asks Shepard to act against the Shadow Broker, who is her enemy? That could potentially put Shepard at odds with the Shadow Broker, endangering him. If she didn't want to give those "listening" the impression that she had feelings her for him, why give him a kiss or hug in the first place? Why not send him an email? Everyone seems to know Shepard's email for some reason, even Ashley and Kaidan, and that guy from the prison ship.
Liara isn't stupid, being an information broker she should know how to send information that is encrypted, otherwise there should not even be successful (not much of a broker if everyone knows the information you have).
All of things Liara did to save Shepard (and she was not alone) was regardless of whether you romanced her and not, and therefore not applicable to this discussion. We are talking about the romance. Aside from a few other things, the only thing that changes in ME2 if you romanced Liara was a kiss and a few dialogue changes. That's all. Since Tali does not even have a romance in ME1, it's not comparable.
[quote]When on Noveria she tries to be humble and asks if Shepard wants to have her wait on the ship since her mother is on the planet.[/quote]
There a million ways Tali was being humble and not trying to be a burden on Shepard OR the mission (she says she was being selfish and "stupid" with the idea of a relationship, because she thinks it could possibly endanger the mission). That's ANOTHER way she comments on Shepard's actions, and the suicide mission is not one that directly concerns her, it concerns humans. Yet, Tali says the mission is too important not to strive for.
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When you come to her, she already has detailed information on the two new squidies you can recruit; Which says she was paying attention to how she might help Shepard even though she felt she couldn't go with him yet.[/quote]
Tali does the same exact thing. She already has technology and information regarding how to beef up the Normandy's shields, which is important to the success of the mission.
[quote]She gave his body to Cerberus because Timmy promised Project Lazarus; And, she thinks Shepard now hates her with him knowing she is why Cerberus has its hooks in him.[/quote]
In her romance, Tali is very humble and many times she apologizes and even doubts herself. She respects and loves Shepard so much that she says that he should find someone else to make him happy, because she didn't think she could. Is that love or what?
[quote]Obviously I see a lot more love from Liara than you do.[/quote]
That's not surprising. You are Liara romancer. Of course you'd like to think Liara loves Shepard the most.
[quote]So you admit that Tali says she has a crush... which I believe is another way of saying Hero Worship, in a less descriptive way.[/quote]
LOL! Liara's entire romance is a crush as well. She's already awkward with Shepard when you first talk to her, and already says that she's interested. If that is not a crush I don't know what is. If you want to keep parading "hero worship" around, then Liara by your logic is worshipping Shepard in a different way, but for even lesser reasons. Because he's "interesting" because her saw prothean information. wow. Again, no element of trust when her romance begins, just mutual interest.
Modifié par Collider, 12 avril 2010 - 12:56 .
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