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[HeavyDutyPillow]

Although I'm a Tali fan, I honestly think that she's going to die in ME3, or become dangerously sick (that's me being optimistic) that stems after the initial sickness showed after the game was beaten. Although I don't see her flat out dying in the very beginning of the game, I do see her dying towards the middle of the game or during the climax of the story. Having her survive Shepard's "love making" is just too happy-endy for me to believe right at the beginning of the game, even after she took precautions to prevent disease, but I also don't see her (or wouldn't like to see her) dying before the game starts (if there's any time gap involved) as I find that to be morbid. If anything, I think Bioware will turn this into some romance plot device where she's lying on some "death bed," where she'll live or die depending if you cheat on her or not. However, I also find that very cheesy, so I can't really guess what they're going to do with her later on.



We can only hope Bioware makes a good and careful choice on how they approach this.

[NICKjnp]

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[Collider]

HeavyDuty, you think she's going to die? Maybe you just suspect, because thinking that she will die is highly premature. I highly doubt they are going to go that route. Tali is a romance option in the first place because fans wanted it. And virtually no fans want her to die. No fans want their LI to die in the first place.

How is that happy endy for her to survive intimacy (if they even had sex?) There are already many complications in the romance. She cannot be out of her suit most of the time, and her immune system means her health can be frail. She has to take immuno boosters in order to be out of her suit with Shepard. That's already miles away from the archetypal romance with no flaws trope. She was sick after being with out of her suit with Shepard, true, it was minor, but it was still something.

Modifié par Collider, 12 avril 2010 - 04:23 .

[NICKjnp]

She is a doomed character in my game... no matter how much you Talimancers post... she isn't going to be in my ME3.

[Collider]

Good for you.

[JeanLuc761]

NICKjnp wrote...


She is a doomed character in my game... no matter how much you Talimancers post... she isn't going to be in my ME3.

Good for you, that's your choice and you should be able to play the game as you see fit.  Now stop flame-baiting <_<

Honestly, I wonder how many people kill off Tali just to shove it in the faces of Talimancers.  

[Collider]

Not many, Jean. It's just some sensitive people on the forum who get affected by how popular some character is. Really, that's rebellious teenager stuff, they should be over that phase already.

[JeanLuc761]

Collider wrote...

Not many, Jean. It's just some sensitive people on the forum who get affected by how popular some character is. Really, that's rebellious teenager stuff, they should be over that phase already.

I wouldn't be surprised.  Personally, I'm a confirmed Talimancer as are many...just as many people are Mirimancers, Garrusmancers, etc.  

The only reason Tali fans get hate is because of the popularity.  In all my time here I've seen maybe...six topics where a Talimancer was purposefully trolling the community.  The rest tend to stick to the main thread and are 99% levelheaded people.

/rant

[NICKjnp]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...


She is a doomed character in my game... no matter how much you Talimancers post... she isn't going to be in my ME3.

Good for you, that's your choice and you should be able to play the game as you see fit.  Now stop flame-baiting <_<

Honestly, I wonder how many people kill off Tali just to shove it in the faces of Talimancers.  

Quite a few.. there is even a sig with it happening just for them.

[Blameless77]

I'm pretty sure every LI will be on equal footing in ME3. They're not going to have any particular romances be "doomed" (well, maybe Thane, but I suspect they'll find a way to save him). To single out any particular LIs for doom and gloom in the final installment of the series would be a dumb move on Bioware's part, and they're too smart to do that.

[JeanLuc761]

NICKjnp wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...


She is a doomed character in my game... no matter how much you Talimancers post... she isn't going to be in my ME3.

Good for you, that's your choice and you should be able to play the game as you see fit.  Now stop flame-baiting <_<

Honestly, I wonder how many people kill off Tali just to shove it in the faces of Talimancers.  

Quite a few.. there is even a sig with it happening just for them.

And, might I ask...do you consider that a mature and respectful thing to do?

No matter how I look at it all I see are a bunch of immature people flipping off the Tali fans for zero good reason.

[HeavyDutyPillow]

Collider wrote...

HeavyDuty, you think she's going to die? Maybe you just suspect, because thinking that she will die is highly premature. I highly doubt they are going to go that route. Tali is a romance option in the first place because fans wanted it. And virtually no fans want that.

How is that happy endy for her to survive intimacy (if they even had sex?) There are already many complications in the romance. She cannot be out of her suit most of the time, and her immune system means her health can be frail. She has to take immuno boosters in order to be out of her suit with Shepard. That's already miles away from the archetypal romance with no flaws trope. She was sick after being with out of her suit with Shepard, true, it was minor, but it was not "happy-endy."

I believe it's happy-endy because it is what the fans expect and want it to be, rather than how it ought to be. No one ever wants to be in a bad situation like having your loved one die, but when you take a risk like Shepard had done, especially when you know what the consequences will be, it's the most likely outcome that may happen, and last time I checked Mass Effect was about your choices and the resulting consequences after. Whether we toughen up to those consequences and take responsibility for our actions is dependent on what kind of person you are or what kind of Shepard you think you are. Like I said, I don't know if Tali may die or not, as I am not Bioware, but I would think that Bioware would be too focused pandering towards the wants of the fans rather than the actual storytelling if she were to survive and "live happily ever after" in the way many fans would like to see it. I would find it very cliche and I would be very much disappointed that Bioware would go for such a cookie cutter romantic plotline. I don't want a $60 interactive fan-fic, I want an interactive novel.

Modifié par HeavyDutyPillow, 12 avril 2010 - 04:39 .

[Collider]

HeavyDutyPillow wrote...
I believe it's happy-endy because it is what the fans expect it and want it to be, rather than what it ought to be.

Ought to be? Why is it ought to be? We are never given an indication that most interspecies Quarian relationships end with death or even serious sickness. All we know is that there is a possibility. Technically, there is a possibility femShep can get injured in Garrus' romance, does that mean she ought to be injured? Any squad mate can possibly die, yet you wouldn't say the same for them.

No one ever wants to be in a bad situation like having your loved one die, but when you take a risk like Shepard had done, especially when you know what the consequences will be, it's the most likely outcome that may happen, and last time I checked Mass Effect was about your choices and the resulting consequences after.

Like I said, we are never given the likelihood of it ending in death. It's even less likely considering how they are in a sterile environment and see takes immunity boosters. If you take what Tali says about it and divide the possibilities she says, she's more likely to just end up sick and not die. Shepard and Tali did take a risk - and Tali got a cold as a result of it, it's not all sunshine and butterflies. I hardly think that the worst possibility should be the one that occurs.

Whether we toughen up to those consequences and take responsibility for our actions is dependent on what kind of person you are or what kind of Shepard you think you are. Like I said, I don't know if Tali may die or not, as I am not Bioware, but I would think that Bioware would be too focused pandering towards the wants of the fans rather than the actual storytelling if she were to survive and "live happily ever after" in the way many fans would like to see it. I would find it very cliche and I would be very much disappointed that Bioware would go for such a cookie cutter romantic plotline. I don't want a $60 interactive fan-fic, I want an interactive novel.

If you don't want cliche, you should be arguing that all romances end badly, because they all have the potential to. Too focused on pandering to the fans? Do you realize the entire game is pandering to the fans? Gameplay was enormously revamped because of the fans. The fans make the money for Bioware. They love listening to te fans, and it's also a good business decision. It's perfectly possible to factor in what the fans want and have the writing have the same integrity. Generally speaking, being critiqued - ie listening to the audience and the readers of your writing - leads to better writing. That is a noble quest, is it not? Many writers write because of their fans, because their material will be read and critiqued. It's very enjoyable when you write something and you get praise. You are assuming that Bioware would only have Tali survive because the fans want it, and not because the writers would as well. The writers put pride into their writing.

There is ample opportunity to make the relationship have ups and downs without it ending in death. Death in romances is nothing extraordinary, it is also cliche. Romeo and Juliet? Cyrano? Titanic? Aribeth? It's nothing new. Overcoming the physical problems of the relationships can make for very good writing, we don't need to default to death simply because it's the worst possible outcome.

Modifié par Collider, 12 avril 2010 - 04:48 .

[NICKjnp]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...


She is a doomed character in my game... no matter how much you Talimancers post... she isn't going to be in my ME3.

Good for you, that's your choice and you should be able to play the game as you see fit.  Now stop flame-baiting <_<

Honestly, I wonder how many people kill off Tali just to shove it in the faces of Talimancers.  

Quite a few.. there is even a sig with it happening just for them.

And, might I ask...do you consider that a mature and respectful thing to do?

No matter how I look at it all I see are a bunch of immature people flipping off the Tali fans for zero good reason.

I think people are frustrated at Talimancers (the minority) that go around shoving Tali this Tali that in their faces.  I know that is why I can't stand her when I play.  Annoying Tali fans ruined her for me (I thought she was a perfectly good character but some stuff is taken too far with her).

[thatguy212]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...


She is a doomed character in my game... no matter how much you Talimancers post... she isn't going to be in my ME3.

Good for you, that's your choice and you should be able to play the game as you see fit.  Now stop flame-baiting <_<

Honestly, I wonder how many people kill off Tali just to shove it in the faces of Talimancers.  

how did you guess how my current run of mass effect 2 is going to end?

[JeanLuc761]

NICKjnp wrote...

I think people are frustrated at Talimancers (the minority) that go around shoving Tali this Tali that in their faces.  I know that is why I can't stand her when I play.  Annoying Tali fans ruined her for me (I thought she was a perfectly good character but some stuff is taken too far with her).

Well, with respect that's your own problem.  Every single video game/movie/book in existence has fans that take things too far; you can't allow them to pervert your own feelings about the craft.  

There's some garrus porn out there that has come close to scarring me, but I don't allow it to affect my opinion of him.  He's my brosef with some really creepy (albeit artistic) fans.  

[NICKjnp]

thatguy212 wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...


She is a doomed character in my game... no matter how much you Talimancers post... she isn't going to be in my ME3.

Good for you, that's your choice and you should be able to play the game as you see fit.  Now stop flame-baiting <_<

Honestly, I wonder how many people kill off Tali just to shove it in the faces of Talimancers.  

how did you guess how my current run of mass effect 2 is going to end?

Don't forget to get the migrant fleet to break up and become fractured so that the Geth can destroy it.

[kglaser]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

There's some garrus porn out there that has come close to scarring me, but I don't allow it to affect my opinion of him.  He's my brosef with some really creepy (albeit artistic) fans.  

Ugh...unfortunately I think I saw what you're talking about.  I guess you'd call me a hardcore Garrusmancer but the second I saw those pictures I wished like hell I hadn't.  Just...NO.
(But, it can't wreck my opinion of him...any more than my having seen the "pregnant Tali" pic has wrecked my high opinion of her)

[JeanLuc761]

NICKjnp wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...


She is a doomed character in my game... no matter how much you Talimancers post... she isn't going to be in my ME3.

Good for you, that's your choice and you should be able to play the game as you see fit.  Now stop flame-baiting <_<

Honestly, I wonder how many people kill off Tali just to shove it in the faces of Talimancers.  

how did you guess how my current run of mass effect 2 is going to end?

Don't forget to get the migrant fleet to break up and become fractured so that the Geth can destroy it.

Yep, let's doom an entire race just to throw it in the face of those blasted Talimancers!

Honestly, this mentality some of you have gets more and more absurd by the day 

[TheLostGenius]

No they are not doomed. The Quarians could easily invent a gimmicky device utilizing a mass effect core that would alter Commander Shepard DNA to accept the environment of the Quarian home world. In drastic twist of events they are the first successful human-Quarian couple. Commander Shepard being especially virile gets Tali pregnant every three months for twenty years. And by the time he retires he has 80 Tali-Babies to cuddle with.

[JeanLuc761]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

kglaser wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

There's some garrus porn out there that has come close to scarring me, but I don't allow it to affect my opinion of him.  He's my brosef with some really creepy (albeit artistic) fans.  

Ugh...unfortunately I think I saw what you're talking about.  I guess you'd call me a hardcore Garrusmancer but the second I saw those pictures I wished like hell I hadn't.  Just...NO.
(But, it can't wreck my opinion of him...any more than my having seen the "pregnant Tali" pic has wrecked my high opinion of her)

Ok so this is drawings, not some edited perverted video?

Yeah it's all drawings.  A lot of them are scary 

[kglaser]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

kglaser wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

There's some garrus porn out there that has come close to scarring me, but I don't allow it to affect my opinion of him.  He's my brosef with some really creepy (albeit artistic) fans.  

Ugh...unfortunately I think I saw what you're talking about.  I guess you'd call me a hardcore Garrusmancer but the second I saw those pictures I wished like hell I hadn't.  Just...NO.
(But, it can't wreck my opinion of him...any more than my having seen the "pregnant Tali" pic has wrecked my high opinion of her)

Ok so this is drawings, not some edited perverted video?

The ones I saw were all drawings.
And, if you want, I can show you them, but...you might never speak to me again.