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[Phaelducan]

Ok, so on my third trip into the base, and after having Miranda and Garrus each take their leadership turns previously, I wanted to mix it up.

After careful consideration, I thought hell, if Miranda at her age could successfully lead a Fire Team, then Zaeed ought to have a cake-walk given his experience.

Wrong, boom Tali gets shot in the face, and yes everyone is loyal.

I'm not questioning Miranda or Garrus as a leader... but come on, Zaeed has been a Mercenary for at least 25 years or so, probably closer to 35. From his stories, he's seen and done an incredible amount of combat scenarios, and has fought just about every type of foe there is to fight.... in small squad based tactical situations.

Yeah, he has no prior experience with the Collector's (evidenced by his commentary after Horizon), but neither does anyone else. Even after choosing him to lead the first Fire Team Miranda even says "At least he knows what he's doing."

It strike anyone else as odd that Zaeed is incompetent when it comes to leadership?

[Dougdh]

He probably COULD be a great leader. Except for the the fact he doesn't care. At all.

[twinMN]

He is a mercenary - only looks out for himself, hence lack of leadership skills. Which led to squadmate death

[Milician]

You would think he would be able to. But at the same time he has spent, as he said, "20 years" of his life trying to kill the guy (can't remember name). We saw in begining that he was doing a job for some random person, so he most likely has been doing odd solo jobs for twenty years. And if you remember his story about the turian ship, and how he lead a whole team in, he was the only one to come out alive.



Based on his story, and his past twenty years, he hasn't really had to keep people alive or lead them. Hes certainly out of practice compared to Garrus who recently led a group of random do-gooders, and Miranda who spent 2 years directing a highly sensitive/organized project.

[Nibroc17]

lols obviously you didnt pay close attention to what he said when you "talked" to him. like the mission where he boarded a turrian cruiser and he was the only one to make it out alive... listen and pay attention when you play a game so i dont have to spend the time writting how dumb you are. please and thank you.

[jstne]

He gets everyone who ever works for him killed



Your fault

[Phaelducan]

Haven't done his Loyalty Mission Renegade-style yet, but with the Paragon option he basically tells you that he's on board for the mission and will cooperate and work together to help you succeed.



Now unless he is lying (which would be BS as it nets you his loyalty power), he should be at least motivated to bring his A game.



Him not caring as a reason for sucking as a leader? I don't buy it... I think he does care by the time you do his mission and get to the end of the game.



I also don' t think it's fair to say that all Mercenaries only care for themselves and can't lead a squad. If that was true, Merc groups would never meet recruiting goals. They would have to have some measure of success or people wouldn't join.



It just seems unlikely that Zaeed wouldn't be able to make good tactical decisions in that situation. In looking at the people who fail... it's obvious as to why (Samara, Thane, Grunt, Mordin, Jack, Tali, Legion, Kasumi). Jacob, Miranda, and Garrus work, also for obvious reasons.



It just seems really strange to me that Zaeed can't fulfill the role, given his background (and yes he spent 20 years hunting Santiago... but man he was REALLY pissed at him). Again, even Miranda seems to think he would do fine at it. Shrug.

[Phaelducan]

Nibroc17 wrote...

lols obviously you didnt pay close attention to what he said when you "talked" to him. like the mission where he boarded a turrian cruiser and he was the only one to make it out alive... listen and pay attention when you play a game so i dont have to spend the time writting how dumb you are. please and thank you.

I did listen to him, extensively, on each of my playthroughs. I remember his description of that mission. Is that different than Shepard's Ruthless background? I guess that means that one mission where things go bad means you can't lead in combat.

Oh, and please don't procreate... for the love of god just don't.

[DiatribeEQ]

If Zaeed cared about being a leader, he'd do a great job at it, as his combat skills on the battlefield are top notch.



But he's Zaeed. He's a merc at heart and only looks around for himself.

[NuclearBuddha]

Zaeed succeeds at missions. Unfortunately, he doesn't do so in the cleanest fashion. All his stories seem to have an element of "and I was the only one who made it out alive" to them. Not to mention that the mercenary organization he built got stolen out from under him by his 2nd in command.



I thin Zaeed's great, but I wouldn't put him in charge of making me a sandwich. I come back, and find the kitchen on fire, hostages taken, and multiple casualties on both sides. I'd get my sandwich, sure, but it'd be tough to enjoy eating it.

[xGimpyx]

The exact same thing happened to me on my first playthrough.  It does make sense that he should be a competent leader, but as his loyalty mission and stories show, he likes to work with blind rage rather than tactics, which can ultimately come back to bite you in the ass.

[Azint]

Heh, Zaeed, Mister Sole-Survivor.

[Phaelducan]

I agree for the most part with what people are saying, what I don't understand, then... is what is the purpose of the Loyalty mission if not to get Zaeed to care.



Again, this was my third playthrough and I only chose Zaeed as I figured he'd be another viable candidate, and a simple reload from 5 minutes earlier fixes things. I'm not whining, I was just honestly surprised. I thought that within the context of the game, the point of the Loyalty Missions was to get people right in the head so that they could focus on the success of the mission.



Zaeed being a Merc Leader (not just a Merc... he did found the Blue Suns, so he must at least possess the necessary leadership skills at some level), SHOULD have been able to lead that mission just as well as Miranda, Jacob, or Garrus.



Clearly, that isn't the case, as evidenced by the smoking crater in my Tech Specialists Head. I just found it odd is all, that Zaeed couldn't deliver the goods when it mattered the most... as the job asked of him is most definitely in his realm of expertise.

[NuclearBuddha]

Zaeed's function in the suicide mission is to beef up the hold-the-line party.  I'm fine with this.

[uhdnrt]

DLC characters do not exist to me in story mode - I would never select them as a specialist or team leader.

[Skilled Seeker]

Look on the bright side- Tali died.

[Skilled Seeker]

uhdnrt wrote...

DLC characters do not exist to me in story mode - I would never select them as a specialist or team leader.

Thanks for contributing to this thread....NOT

[Eskarne]

uhdnrt wrote...

DLC characters do not exist to me in story mode - I would never select them as a specialist or team leader.

Funny I thought that Kasumi would be a great tech specialist and shockingly enough she was.

[MugenJustice]

Eskarne wrote...

uhdnrt wrote...

DLC characters do not exist to me in story mode - I would never select them as a specialist or team leader.

Funny I thought that Kasumi would be a great tech specialist and shockingly enough she was.

This.

[Xennhorn]

Personally i always used Garrus and 2nd Team leader since he was a C-Sec officer and used to lead his own elite-specialist squad

[Dougdh]

You misunderstand me, when I said he didn't care. I ment for other people.

[IoCaster]

It's a bit of contrived bullsh!t because the devs chose Jacob, Garrus and Miranda for that role. Lots of folks buy into that crap because they're fans first and independent thought can take a flying leap. Obviously, he'd be much more qualified than Miranda to lead a small combat squad, but the devs chose otherwise. It's just a video game and doesn't have to make sense, I guess. *shrug*

Modifié par IoCaster, 11 avril 2010 - 10:54 .

[janeym27]

I dunno. Zaeed always stikes me as an 'out for number one' kind of character, and the team leader needs to be able to think tactically in terms of a whole squad under pressure. Jacob, Miranda and Garrus have all got military combat experience and squad leadership experience. Freelancing, even with a small team, is a different kettle of fish. Also, the rest of the team need to trust in the skills of the leader, and frankly, I wouldn't trust Zaeed as far as I could throw him (not after the crap he pulled on his LM).

I would have expected Mordin to be able to lead a fire team, though. After all, he was in charge of a Salarian STG. But no, I totally get why Zaeed gets people killed. Even if it is in reality just down to him being DLC.

Modifié par janeym27, 11 avril 2010 - 11:08 .

[GothamLord]

Zaeed is the poster child for the Ruthless background choice. Remeber Torfan?? That background has 3/4th of Shepard's squad getting killed, but the job got done. Well guess what happens when Zaeed gets put in charge .... People freakin die but the job gets done.

[IoCaster]

janeym27 wrote...

I dunno. Zaeed always stikes me as an 'out for number one' kind of character, and the team leader needs to be able to think tactically in terms of a whole squad under pressure. Jacob, Miranda and Garrus have all got military combat experience and squad leadership experience.  -snip- 

Serious question. Where in the game is it explicitly stated that Miranda has any military training or combat squad leadership experience? She went straight from 'daddy' to Cerberus without doing any military service. If she did have experience with Cerberus in combat operations it seems to me that it would mostly involve terrorist activity. That's something that she denies participating in or even knowledge of throughout the game.