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[CptPatch]

Here's the findings of my mining expedition through most of the Bazaar's data.  I pretty much guarantee that you will either love it, or hate it, with very few left in between.  Because of it's length, the full article is posted at HookedGamers.com

Epic Event, or Epic Fail?



If you are one of those people that thinks BioWare is the greatest thing
since sliced bread and should not be criticized for anything,
run -- don't walk to the nearest exit. Though there are some Good
Things here, there's also some Bad. Those of you that remain, I leave
it to you as to which side of the balance is weighed down more. Also,
if what you read here prompts you to voluminous commentary, I'll post
this article in its own thread in the forums. That way you can comment
at length without any sensation of claustrophobia imbued by that tiny
Comment box.

http://www.hookedgamers.com/

Modifié par CptPatch, 11 avril 2010 - 08:27 .

[Mr Finn]

Excellent article and very true.

IMO it has been a bad experience for Bioware's true members but as the article states Bioware have a lot more names in their emailing marketing database to spam their clicks and e-mails and links to now.

So they have what they wanted. Remember folks Bioware don't give a **** about you, your loyalty or what you think as long as you buy the games, DLC and merchandise.

Look at the MW2 and PC gamers fiasco with dedicated servers. The game still sold a lot, and I mean a lot, despite PC gamers negative response a lot of PC versions were sold.

It's all about marketing, Hype it up, spam everyone and every site and it's a winner.

[veramis]

There's some real issues with doing giveaways internationally. Some places have kooky rules about sweepstakes and impose taxes. Also there's shipping charges and customs to deal with. If you shipped a $2000 computer to China that's going to be $150-200 shipping unless you make a deal with an international courier service.

[Livemmo]

Mr Finn wrote...

Excellent article and very true.
IMO it has been a bad experience for Bioware's true members but as the article states Bioware have a lot more names in their emailing marketing database to spam their clicks and e-mails and links to now.
So they have what they wanted. Remember folks Bioware don't give a **** about you, your loyalty or what you think as long as you buy the games, DLC and merchandise.
Look at the MW2 and PC gamers fiasco with dedicated servers. The game still sold a lot, and I mean a lot, despite PC gamers negative response a lot of PC versions were sold.
It's all about marketing, Hype it up, spam everyone and every site and it's a winner.

Bioware wasnt always like this though. It seems the endless dlc crap and overpriced expansions just recently started. And of course ...well .....this.

[DaRangersWife]

HERE is another ugly factor you might add in to your fAct finding how many die hard fans were baned from bioware forums because they wanted to be competative so they resorted to using the forums to get extra clicks. and also falling short 0f the lowest bid of the auction. my husband falls in to that catagory. he just wanted to win something but yet he could not. he had all thegame requriements for xbox a social account he even was able to answer 5 challenges with one win he d loaded the character creator of the points posted on his myspace newly made twitter and face book and was not enough. to say least he is disapointed. ps that was a wonderful article thank you for writtting it

[CptPatch]

If anybody is interested, here's the link to the raw data spreadsheet, in order of auction:

http://spreadsheets....Yvg&output=html

Modifié par CptPatch, 12 avril 2010 - 02:01 .

[ice445]

Mr Finn wrote...

Excellent article and very true.
IMO it has been a bad experience for Bioware's true members but as the article states Bioware have a lot more names in their emailing marketing database to spam their clicks and e-mails and links to now.
So they have what they wanted. Remember folks Bioware don't give a **** about you, your loyalty or what you think as long as you buy the games, DLC and merchandise.
Look at the MW2 and PC gamers fiasco with dedicated servers. The game still sold a lot, and I mean a lot, despite PC gamers negative response a lot of PC versions were sold.
It's all about marketing, Hype it up, spam everyone and every site and it's a winner.

You forget that EA was behind 99% of the actual execution of the idea. I'm pretty sure that Bioware wanted a more community oriented way to do this, but EA always has to make that extra dollar. Blame them for making it a giant advertising ****** off.

[CptPatch]

ice445 wrote...
You forget that EA was behind 99% of the actual execution of the idea. I'm pretty sure that Bioware wanted a more community oriented way to do this, but EA always has to make that extra dollar. Blame them for making it a giant advertising ****** off.

VERY TRUE!  Practically all of the questionable things BioWare (and other companies under EA's control) have been actually instigated by EA, "behind the curtain" so to speak.

Once Upon A Time, EA was a an actual godsend to the gaming industry.  LOTS of very decent games that never would have seen the light of day appeared because of EA involvement.  But then.... Somewhere along the way, EA morphed into to this ravening banker megacorp with it's claws sunk into nearly all of the big developers. 

Then again, Activision is behaving the same way with Infinty Ward.  I guess Profit corrupts absolutely, eventually.  Like being money junkies.

[Pridesong]

The only thing I didn't agree with was near the end when he starts ranting about Americans.  It didn't matter where this contest took place, it would have been exactly the same.  This contest promoted spamming.

Everything else is pretty spot on though.

[gcadays99]

Nevremind read the whole article. Didn't realize you could get more points by registering the games from different mediums. I had 360 and pc version of a couple oh well.

Modifié par gcadays99, 12 avril 2010 - 03:05 .

[AM50]

veramis wrote...

There's some real issues with doing giveaways internationally. Some places have kooky rules about sweepstakes and impose taxes. Also there's shipping charges and customs to deal with. If you shipped a $2000 computer to China that's going to be $150-200 shipping unless you make a deal with an international courier service.

-This. International shipping laws are bizarre. And they tax you an exorbitant amount. I don't know why they couldn't ship to FL or NY though....

-The spamming was tiresome to say the least.

-I think BioWare had good intentions with this auction... it just lacked execution and polish.

[marquiseondore]

gcadays99 wrote...

Nevremind read the whole article. Didn't realize you could get more points by registering the games from different mediums. I had 360 and pc version of a couple oh well.

You couldn't. 

[Outamyhead]

Isn't this just as we say back in England "s**t stirring", since you had posted this same topic under a different title in the social thread?

[chiliztri]

AM50 wrote...


-This. International shipping laws are bizarre. And they tax you an exorbitant amount. I don't know why they couldn't ship to FL or NY though....

It's not because of shipping, its because of the contest laws in NY and FL which prevented them from being included.

[koruthaiolos]

Haha, I was one of the winner's with zero game registrations. (I actually thought I had registered games, since I went through that whole account connecting thing with DA:O and ME2. Only found out today that I hadn't). Also, I answered a total of two challenges (won one), and posted my profile link a grand total of two places. You didn't need to exert a ton of effort or poopsock your way to the top in order to win. You just had to be lucky.

[CptPatch]

gcadays99 wrote...

Nevremind read the whole article. Didn't realize you could get more points by registering the games from different mediums. I had 360 and pc version of a couple oh well.)

Someone that actually _thoroughly_ read the rules pointed out that you could get points for only the three titles, not each copy.  I had been planning to nail down the details, but BW yanked ALL of the Bazaar stuff (rules and auction history) within minutes of the end of the last auction.  And unfortunately, they weren't posted anywhere I could look.  So, ass that I am, I made an assumption.  My Bad.

The optimal amount of tokens you could start with was 5950: 3 games/questionnaires, Char Creator, and social network registration.  Literally EVERYBODY could start with that many points.  ALL of the additional points from referral clicks and Challenge wins.

[marquiseondore]

CptPatch wrote...

gcadays99 wrote...

Nevremind read the whole article. Didn't realize you could get more points by registering the games from different mediums. I had 360 and pc version of a couple oh well.)

Someone that actually _thoroughly_ read the rules pointed out that you could get points for only the three titles, not each copy.  I had been planning to nail down the details, but BW yanked ALL of the Bazaar stuff (rules and auction history) within minutes of the end of the last auction.  And unfortunately, they weren't posted anywhere I could look.  So, ass that I am, I made an assumption.  My Bad.

The optimal amount of tokens you could start with was 5950: 3 games/questionnaires, Char Creator, and social network registration.  Literally EVERYBODY could start with that many points.  ALL of the additional points from referral clicks and Challenge wins.

I think you could have started with something closer to 6500 give or take.  

[CptPatch]

koruthaiolos wrote...

Haha, I was one of the winner's with zero game registrations. (I actually thought I had registered games, since I went through that whole account connecting thing with DA:O and ME2. Only found out today that I hadn't). Also, I answered a total of two challenges (won one), and posted my profile link a grand total of two places. You didn't need to exert a ton of effort or poopsock your way to the top in order to win. You just had to be lucky.

10,229 tokens isn't what you'd call "small change" -- ESPECIALLY with no points for game registration.  You must have done something to generate such a big pile.  When did you post your first referral link?  And where (if you don't mind my prying)?

_I believe_ (no access to the rules any longer) that you could start doing links **immediately** after the announcement on March 29th.  But I got the impression that most people didn't start their collection until about the 4th or 5th.  That gave anyone that made an immediate start a big lead over the other slowpokes.

[In researching the event history I found it humorous that nearly all of the gaming news sites that broadcast the Bazaar commencement almost invariably utilized someone's referral link for the "Read more" links.  Not even sure that they were aware that they had done so; they were simply steering people to the Bazaar homepage to get the details first-hand.]

[Hellhawx]

Some of the statistics are pointless. Such as registered games. You only get 1500 for ME2, 1200 for DAO, and 1750 for DAO-A. You cannot double up on registered games, and if you don't have a game registered or own it, you could just fill out the questionares to get the tokens. The difference came down to popularity for token clicks (BioWare did a superb job of policing the tokens) and Twitter challenges won.



The only bothering thing is people that signed up the week of the Bazaar, have zero games registered, and won something of good value such as a graphics card or RAM. It is not garunteed but likely these people don't own or play a BioWare game, but instead just used the questionares (it's also possible they couldn't register the game for whatever reason).

[CptPatch]

marquiseondore wrote...
I think you could have started with something closer to 6500 give or take. 

Social network registration.................1000
Character Creator download................500
DA:O registration/questionnaire........1200
DA:A registration/questionnaire.........1750
ME2 registration/questionnaire.........1500
.......................................................Total:5950

Everything beyond these was referrals and Challenges.

[Hellhawx]

CptPatch wrote...

marquiseondore wrote...
I think you could have started with something closer to 6500 give or take. 

Social network registration.................1000
Character Creator download................500
DA:O registration/questionnaire........1200
DA:A registration/questionnaire.........1750
ME2 registration/questionnaire.........1500
.......................................................Total:5950

Everything beyond these was referrals and Challenges.

Exactly! 5950 was the baseline. Then 500 a day for referals at minimum. Anything beyond that was fair game.

Also, your sig is full of win!

[CptPatch]

Hellhawx wrote...
A) Some of the statistics are pointless. Such as registered games. You only get 1500 for ME2, 1200 for DAO, and 1750 for DAO-A. You cannot double up on registered games, and if you don't have a game registered or own it, you could just fill out the questionares to get the tokens. The difference came down to popularity for token clicks (BioWare did a superb job of policing the tokens) and Twitter challenges won.

The only bothering thing is people that signed up the week of the Bazaar, have zero games registered, and won something of good value such as a graphics card or RAM. It is not garunteed but likely these people don't own or play a BioWare game, but instead just used the questionares (it's also possible they couldn't register the game for whatever reason).

A) I believe that I posted that someone clarified that multiple copies did NOT garner additional points, a few posts further up.

I think these are the people you're referring to; none of these had games registered::
ATI Graphics Card & BioWare T-shirt.......................11951    BellosTheMighty    3/29/2010
Kingston 4GB RAM with Fan & BioWare T-shirt.....10493    dupayale    1/30/2010
ATI Graphics Card & BioWare T-shirt ......................13175    Frakattack    11/6/2009
ATI Graphics Card & BioWare T-shirt.......................12730    genxtrigun    11/10/2009
Kingston 4GB RAM with Fan & BioWare T-shirt......12796    KageSolus    3/30/2010
Western Digital Hard Drive & BioWare T-shirt.........12848    Momochi1824    3/29/2010
Western Digital Hard Drive & BioWare T-shirt ........10327    remynesc    3/18/2010
ATI Graphics Card & BioWare T-shirt .......................13211    Synchrite    3/30/2010
ATI Graphics Card & BioWare T-shirt .......................11031    Vahe    3/29/2010

At least dupayale, Frakattack, and genxtrigun were signed up well before the Bazaar announcement on 3/29.  remynesc....Maybe he sensed something coming.

BTW, if you want to see the raw data spreadsheet, (hopefully) this link should get you there (provided I get the URL script correct):
http://spreadsheets....Yvg&output=html

[CptPatch]

Hellhawx wrote...
Also, your sig is full of win!

I'm glad I managed to get _something_ right!

[Hellhawx]

Well, I wasn't going to actually call out any names for their privacy's sake. But essentially the people signed up the week of 3/29/10 and never registered a game are shifty to me as BioWare fans.