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#26
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CptPatch wrote...

Having only 5950 tokens, I knew _immediately_ that I had NO chance of
winning anything.  So I spent my time during the auction building an
Excel database of the 412 auctions.  Some fascinating stuff in there.

For my (lengthy)
critique of the Bazaar, you can read up on it at
HookedGamers.com:
http://www.hookedgamers.com/

WARNING: If you're a
big BioWare fan with high blood pressure, do NOT click the link.

(And
I promise this is NOT a
disguised referral link!  ../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png)


The article was fine until you started rambling at the end. Seems like a pretty ridiculous assumption to claim that American image has been tarnished because of link spamming. Have you ever been on a forum and run into a web spider that spammed ads everywhere? I've seen quite a few of them and I never thought "Damn, Americans are so greedy and selfish they spam links to get me to buy stuff!".

Also, you do seem like quite a sore loser. I got all of my points purely through twitter wins and "spamming" this forum with my link (Which included: Putting my link in my sig, talking to people, putting my link on several click lists, and talking to more people).

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Crixt wrote...
Your article had some good, yet still some really naive, whiny points.

Then, I got to the part entitled And The Ugly (American) in which, for some reason, you spend the entire last paragraph insulting Americans.

Hack.

Ah, Crixt!  Winner of a ME2 Xbox360.  I can see as how you might hold a differing opinion.

What you call "insulting Americans" is an observation on how MANY outside the US view American and their behavior.  And after seeing just all of the "Click meeeeeee!" scrambling that has gone on for more than a week, I'm quite certain many more people have that megative opinion of us.  "_Anything_ to win" behavior isn't exactly going to earn people's respect.

But seeing as you, obviously (with a bid of 14410 tokens), had most likely been engaged in the aforementioned negative behavior, it's rather unlikely that you can even begin to imagine what you folks just did for the American image abroad.

First of all, I'm pretty sure people aren't looking at this effort and saying "stupid Americans."

Secondly, I'm also pretty sure they would do the same exact thing if in our position.

P.S. I'll save you the trouble of sounding arrogant by telling you that yes, I am sage_viper and I won a Mass Effect Prequel pack for 11380 tokens.

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Considering how most of this community flipped the **** out at the fact that they don't get a chance to spam their links - I'd say it's a pretty moot point myself.

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Lol, I just proved my point, a web spider just posted an ad here for jailbroken Iphones, rofl

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Mythic Gekko wrote...

ya i won the bioware lit pack, why did you not win something



congrates  on the win!  i am one of the many losers!  my spamming got me banned   made it to 7974 thou.  maybe next time.

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ice445 wrote...
The article was fine until you started rambling at the end. Seems like a pretty ridiculous assumption to claim that American image has been tarnished because of link spamming. Have you ever been on a forum and run into a web spider that spammed ads everywhere? I've seen quite a few of them and I never thought "Damn, Americans are so greedy and selfish they spam links to get me to buy stuff!".

Also, you do seem like quite a sore loser. I got all of my points purely through twitter wins and "spamming" this forum with my link (Which included: Putting my link in my sig, talking to people, putting my link on several click lists, and talking to more people).

Sorry about the rambling.  Finished writing that long-winded (see? even I admit it) sucker @ 4 a.m.

What I have observed about the back-and-forth is that winners (such as yourself) seem to conclude that any non-winner that raises complaints about how the event was operated MUST just be "sore losers" or "whiners" or whatever.  On the flip side, anyone that registering complaints tend to view winners that defend BW or the Bazaar operation as A) condescending people sneering at the rest of "those looosers", and/or B) being "BioWare uber alles!" types.  NONE of those views are universally accurate.  There most definitely _some_ people that hold those views, but as to whether the event was done "Right" or "Wrong", actual opinions vary widely.

I may appear to be a "sore loser" -- from your perspective especially -- but in fact, there really wasn't _anything_ on the prize list that appealed to me.  It's a side-effect of being "comfortably well off" in my declining years.  My PC is already top-of-the-line and those graphics cards and what-not would actually be a degradation of what I already have.  All the other stuff....If I wanted any of it, I _already_ have it.  And I'm waaaaayyyyy too lazy to try to sell stuff to others.  (Which helps to explain why I've got nearly a thousand PC games from the last 20 years or so in my storage unit downstairs.)

MY big beef about the Bazaar was the way BW presented it, followed by how they operated it.  They annouce, "We're doing this for _YOU_!" and then proceed to demonstrate that it's all about Marketing and an enormous amount of benefit to BW.  You may/will say, "Well _that_ ain't no surprise!  Businesses are _always_ doing that anyway!"  Given the sheer chutzpah of the presentation, I see no need to give them a free pass just because "everybody is doing it."  Had they at least been forthright enough to say, "We're looking to have YOU help us to become even bigger!" I most probably would have been more tolerant.  Instead, they manipulated the community into carry on like prisoners at Andersonville when the bread wagon rolled through the gate.

As for the view of Americans by those elsewhere, the single largest block of such witnesses was/is right here on the BW social network.  All of those foreigners that cut cut from the contest at the last second.  Add in my gaming contacts from around the globe (built up over the years) and the kindest adjective describing what went down was "disgusting".  Perhaps I've come to associate with like-minded people, but I will admit that I tend to extrapolate their opinions to be fairly representative of Europeans in general.  (NOT a safe assumption, but still....)

***************
On topic: I would hazard that much of the ensuing weeks before delivery of prizes will be spent verifying the legitimacy of the winners.  I know, for instance, the double win by Ecliptic Deimos was a computer error.  More than likely, the prize from the second auction will most likely be awarded to the #2 bidder.

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Konnie wrote...
That's because _everyone_ who didn't win isn't on these forums being a baby. It's not "odd", "suspicious" or "curious", it's a natural thing that those who have no issue - go back to their lives. You represent a very vocal minority, though I'm not sure you're aware of this.

We're ALL "vocal minorities", though you may not be aware of it.  (Thousands of members; dozens of people that state opinions = "minority".)

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CptPatch wrote...

Having only 5950 tokens, I knew _immediately_ that I had NO chance of
winning anything.  So I spent my time during the auction building an
Excel database of the 412 auctions.  Some fascinating stuff in there.

For my (lengthy)
critique of the Bazaar, you can read up on it at
HookedGamers.com:
http://www.hookedgamers.com/

WARNING: If you're a
big BioWare fan with high blood pressure, do NOT click the link.

(And
I promise this is NOT a
disguised referral link!  ../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png)


Twitter is a social network which can be used as a way for people to market themselves. BioWare probably recognized the potential it had to gain a profit for itself. Also is it really that painful to register with a throwaway email address, answer the questions, and never use twitter again? It takes about as much time as it does with registering your games or taken the survey.

The referral link did not take you to the Bioware Bazaar, it took you to the home page of either Dragon Age: Origins Awakening or Mass Effect 2.

What was the point in mentioning people with more than 3 games registered?

Was the "Ugly American" bit really called for? I bet you anything that if this contest was available to everyone, they would be doing the exact same thing. And don't give me that "We're (insert country here), we are above that." bit.

It was an interesting read though.

Modifié par Siradix, 12 avril 2010 - 01:41 .


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CptPatch wrote...

ice445 wrote...
The article was fine until you started rambling at the end. Seems like a pretty ridiculous assumption to claim that American image has been tarnished because of link spamming. Have you ever been on a forum and run into a web spider that spammed ads everywhere? I've seen quite a few of them and I never thought "Damn, Americans are so greedy and selfish they spam links to get me to buy stuff!".

Also, you do seem like quite a sore loser. I got all of my points purely through twitter wins and "spamming" this forum with my link (Which included: Putting my link in my sig, talking to people, putting my link on several click lists, and talking to more people).

Sorry about the rambling.  Finished writing that long-winded (see? even I admit it) sucker @ 4 a.m.

What I have observed about the back-and-forth is that winners (such as yourself) seem to conclude that any non-winner that raises complaints about how the event was operated MUST just be "sore losers" or "whiners" or whatever.  On the flip side, anyone that registering complaints tend to view winners that defend BW or the Bazaar operation as A) condescending people sneering at the rest of "those looosers", and/or B) being "BioWare uber alles!" types.  NONE of those views are universally accurate.  There most definitely _some_ people that hold those views, but as to whether the event was done "Right" or "Wrong", actual opinions vary widely.

I may appear to be a "sore loser" -- from your perspective especially -- but in fact, there really wasn't _anything_ on the prize list that appealed to me.  It's a side-effect of being "comfortably well off" in my declining years.  My PC is already top-of-the-line and those graphics cards and what-not would actually be a degradation of what I already have.  All the other stuff....If I wanted any of it, I _already_ have it.  And I'm waaaaayyyyy too lazy to try to sell stuff to others.  (Which helps to explain why I've got nearly a thousand PC games from the last 20 years or so in my storage unit downstairs.)

MY big beef about the Bazaar was the way BW presented it, followed by how they operated it.  They annouce, "We're doing this for _YOU_!" and then proceed to demonstrate that it's all about Marketing and an enormous amount of benefit to BW.  You may/will say, "Well _that_ ain't no surprise!  Businesses are _always_ doing that anyway!"  Given the sheer chutzpah of the presentation, I see no need to give them a free pass just because "everybody is doing it."  Had they at least been forthright enough to say, "We're looking to have YOU help us to become even bigger!" I most probably would have been more tolerant.  Instead, they manipulated the community into carry on like prisoners at Andersonville when the bread wagon rolled through the gate.

As for the view of Americans by those elsewhere, the single largest block of such witnesses was/is right here on the BW social network.  All of those foreigners that cut cut from the contest at the last second.  Add in my gaming contacts from around the globe (built up over the years) and the kindest adjective describing what went down was "disgusting".  Perhaps I've come to associate with like-minded people, but I will admit that I tend to extrapolate their opinions to be fairly representative of Europeans in general.  (NOT a safe assumption, but still....)

***************
On topic: I would hazard that much of the ensuing weeks before delivery of prizes will be spent verifying the legitimacy of the winners.  I know, for instance, the double win by Ecliptic Deimos was a computer error.  More than likely, the prize from the second auction will most likely be awarded to the #2 bidder.


No I agree with you that it was kind of crappy, It was very frustrating not being able to even bid most of the time. It just seemed like you were labeling all winners as "link spammers" or "cheaters" in that article. Trust me when I say I didn't spam my link anywhere, It was community support that helped me get clicks. And I clearly didn't cheat.

And yes it was just an advertising stunt, but at least they made it so that you could get something by just doing a bit of work, instead of completely random

#35
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ice445 wrote...

CptPatch wrote...

Having only 5950 tokens, I knew _immediately_ that I had NO chance of
winning anything.  So I spent my time during the auction building an
Excel database of the 412 auctions.  Some fascinating stuff in there.

For my (lengthy)
critique of the Bazaar, you can read up on it at
HookedGamers.com:
http://www.hookedgamers.com/

WARNING: If you're a
big BioWare fan with high blood pressure, do NOT click the link.

(And
I promise this is NOT a
disguised referral link!  ../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png)


The article was fine until you started rambling at the end. Seems like a pretty ridiculous assumption to claim that American image has been tarnished because of link spamming. Have you ever been on a forum and run into a web spider that spammed ads everywhere? I've seen quite a few of them and I never thought "Damn, Americans are so greedy and selfish they spam links to get me to buy stuff!".

Also, you do seem like quite a sore loser. I got all of my points purely through twitter wins and "spamming" this forum with my link (Which included: Putting my link in my sig, talking to people, putting my link on several click lists, and talking to more people).


Indeed link spammers are both annoying, disrupting, and get banned in less than 5 minutes

the WoW gold bots are some of the worst

If you did put in the work it was possible to reach enough tokens to win something (I won the DA Novel Pack for 9.5k before the prices shot up the next day)

Modifié par Fizzeler, 12 avril 2010 - 01:51 .


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Siradix wrote...
Twitter is a social network which can be used as a way for people to market themselves. BioWare probably recognized the potential it had to gain a profit for itself. Also is it really that painful to register with a throwaway email address, answer the questions, and never use twitter again? It takes about as much time as it does with registering your games or taken the survey.

A) The referral link did not take you to the Bioware Bazaar, it took you to the home page of either Dragon Age: Origins Awakening or Mass Effect 2.

B) What was the point in mentioning people with more than 3 games registered?

C) Was the "Ugly American" bit really called for? I bet you anything that if this contest was available to everyone, they would be doing the exact same thing. And don't give me that "We're (insert country here), we are above that." bit.

D) It was an interesting read though.

A) Hopefully the link has been fixed and now goes to the HG homepage (where the blog teaser will be accessible for the next few days.

B) Listing the number of games registered was somewhat indicative of how much of a BW fan a participant was/is.  Somebody with all three games (potentially in multiple formats) indicates someone that is obviously interested in BW games.  Someone with just 1 or maybe even NO games suggests a lack of, hm, community spirit.  And since the Bazaar was supposedly meant for fans and community members (as opposed to those that show up just for a shot at free goodies).....

C) What I've been getting from gaming contacts around the world (and even here in the US) for the last several days is just how much they thought the Bazaar was more like a circus.  (Most other descriptions weren't as kind as "circus".)  Undoubtedly, same contest, same methodology, different country = same behavior.  But _because_ of that last minute disqualification of all but Americans, it reinforced the views of behavior as being how Americans behave, as opposed to how _gamers_ behave when there's freebies to be had.

D) Thanks!  If your interested in seeing the raw spreadsheet, I've added a link to that as well.

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CptPatch wrote...

Siradix wrote...
Twitter is a social network which can be used as a way for people to market themselves. BioWare probably recognized the potential it had to gain a profit for itself. Also is it really that painful to register with a throwaway email address, answer the questions, and never use twitter again? It takes about as much time as it does with registering your games or taken the survey.

A) The referral link did not take you to the Bioware Bazaar, it took you to the home page of either Dragon Age: Origins Awakening or Mass Effect 2.

B) What was the point in mentioning people with more than 3 games registered?

C) Was the "Ugly American" bit really called for? I bet you anything that if this contest was available to everyone, they would be doing the exact same thing. And don't give me that "We're (insert country here), we are above that." bit.

D) It was an interesting read though.

A) Hopefully the link has been fixed and now goes to the HG homepage (where the blog teaser will be accessible for the next few days.

B) Listing the number of games registered was somewhat indicative of how much of a BW fan a participant was/is.  Somebody with all three games (potentially in multiple formats) indicates someone that is obviously interested in BW games.  Someone with just 1 or maybe even NO games suggests a lack of, hm, community spirit.  And since the Bazaar was supposedly meant for fans and community members (as opposed to those that show up just for a shot at free goodies).....

C) What I've been getting from gaming contacts around the world (and even here in the US) for the last several days is just how much they thought the Bazaar was more like a circus.  (Most other descriptions weren't as kind as "circus".)  Undoubtedly, same contest, same methodology, different country = same behavior.  But _because_ of that last minute disqualification of all but Americans, it reinforced the views of behavior as being how Americans behave, as opposed to how _gamers_ behave when there's freebies to be had.

D) Thanks!  If your interested in seeing the raw spreadsheet, I've added a link to that as well.


Not sure if this was or was not Bioware's first major community event, but it was handled as if it was. I'm sure, if they choose to continue events like this, they will improve upon them.

It looks like the data didn't include the individual bidding and their times when they were submitted. A few of the bids that occurred felt (to me) as if scripts were used to make a last second bet on the items.

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So what was the point of generalizing an entire population of people that had nothing to do with how this contest was planned and executed? Its not a contest ran by by a video game company. Its ignorant douchebags that think it is perfectly acceptable to generalize a population of over 300million people based on the actions of less then a tenth of one percent of that population that again had nothing to do with the planning or running of the contest.

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CptPatch wrote...

Siradix wrote...
Twitter is a social network which can be used as a way for people to market themselves. BioWare probably recognized the potential it had to gain a profit for itself. Also is it really that painful to register with a throwaway email address, answer the questions, and never use twitter again? It takes about as much time as it does with registering your games or taken the survey.

A) The referral link did not take you to the Bioware Bazaar, it took you to the home page of either Dragon Age: Origins Awakening or Mass Effect 2.

B) What was the point in mentioning people with more than 3 games registered?

C) Was the "Ugly American" bit really called for? I bet you anything that if this contest was available to everyone, they would be doing the exact same thing. And don't give me that "We're (insert country here), we are above that." bit.

D) It was an interesting read though.

A) Hopefully the link has been fixed and now goes to the HG homepage (where the blog teaser will be accessible for the next few days.

B) Listing the number of games registered was somewhat indicative of how much of a BW fan a participant was/is.  Somebody with all three games (potentially in multiple formats) indicates someone that is obviously interested in BW games.  Someone with just 1 or maybe even NO games suggests a lack of, hm, community spirit.  And since the Bazaar was supposedly meant for fans and community members (as opposed to those that show up just for a shot at free goodies).....

C) What I've been getting from gaming contacts around the world (and even here in the US) for the last several days is just how much they thought the Bazaar was more like a circus.  (Most other descriptions weren't as kind as "circus".)  Undoubtedly, same contest, same methodology, different country = same behavior.  But _because_ of that last minute disqualification of all but Americans, it reinforced the views of behavior as being how Americans behave, as opposed to how _gamers_ behave when there's freebies to be had.

D) Thanks!  If your interested in seeing the raw spreadsheet, I've added a link to that as well.


There's only 3 games you can register really, not counting three PC games and 3 Xbox ones that are the same (Because really, who buys all 3 for each platform?). And one of the "games" is an expansion pack. They also don't let you register ME 1. I'm still quite the Bioware fan, because I'm obsessed with ME (And this contest has encouraged me to buy Dragon Age). And also, it's not just how Americans behave, it's how American gamers behave.

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ice445 wrote...

CptPatch wrote...

Siradix wrote...
Twitter is a social network which can be used as a way for people to market themselves. BioWare probably recognized the potential it had to gain a profit for itself. Also is it really that painful to register with a throwaway email address, answer the questions, and never use twitter again? It takes about as much time as it does with registering your games or taken the survey.

A) The referral link did not take you to the Bioware Bazaar, it took you to the home page of either Dragon Age: Origins Awakening or Mass Effect 2.

B) What was the point in mentioning people with more than 3 games registered?

C) Was the "Ugly American" bit really called for? I bet you anything that if this contest was available to everyone, they would be doing the exact same thing. And don't give me that "We're (insert country here), we are above that." bit.

D) It was an interesting read though.

A) Hopefully the link has been fixed and now goes to the HG homepage (where the blog teaser will be accessible for the next few days.

B) Listing the number of games registered was somewhat indicative of how much of a BW fan a participant was/is.  Somebody with all three games (potentially in multiple formats) indicates someone that is obviously interested in BW games.  Someone with just 1 or maybe even NO games suggests a lack of, hm, community spirit.  And since the Bazaar was supposedly meant for fans and community members (as opposed to those that show up just for a shot at free goodies).....

C) What I've been getting from gaming contacts around the world (and even here in the US) for the last several days is just how much they thought the Bazaar was more like a circus.  (Most other descriptions weren't as kind as "circus".)  Undoubtedly, same contest, same methodology, different country = same behavior.  But _because_ of that last minute disqualification of all but Americans, it reinforced the views of behavior as being how Americans behave, as opposed to how _gamers_ behave when there's freebies to be had.

D) Thanks!  If your interested in seeing the raw spreadsheet, I've added a link to that as well.


There's only 3 games you can register really, not counting three PC games and 3 Xbox ones that are the same (Because really, who buys all 3 for each platform?). And one of the "games" is an expansion pack. They also don't let you register ME 1. I'm still quite the Bioware fan, because I'm obsessed with ME (And this contest has encouraged me to buy Dragon Age). And also, it's not just how Americans behave, it's how American gamers who know what Bioware is and actually care about them behave (Not exactly a big population that's representative of the whole country).



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CptPatch wrote...

Do you guys have _anyone_ defending your position that isn't in the Winners' Circle?  Now it's Konnie of the ME Lithograph Pack that cost 10752.

Can't lose if you don't play The Game (whatever it may be).  Never even tried to place a bid.  But I did spend the auction time following those that seriously competed for prizes.  EVERY single "serious" competitor had one thing in common: no compunction about begging for referral clicks.  If your self-image has no problem with that kind of behavior, then I'm puzzled why you're even concerned about anyone else's criticisms about how the Bazaar was operated.

You're correct many people did start spamming other websites (you need look no further than the "How many forums have you banned from so far?" thread to see this (though, to be fair, many of the reactions in there are: "Uh... none? Not doing that.")).

However, I (and I suspect many others of the 412 winners) received nearly all of my tokens from right here on this forum. And where from? The two or three link clicking threads (in which people were consentually clicking each others links for mutual benefit) - and the auciton thread itself (keeping it contained and on topic).

The remainder coming from my Twitter account specifically made for the contest - so no one should have been seeing the tweets except for those browsing #BiowareBazaar or #MassEffect or #DragonAge or #JadeEmpire or #Bioware.

I don't find those to be questionable activities - and (I hope) it doesn't fit your definition of spam or "spreading hate for Americans far and wide across the interwebs" :P

So be careful with such broad generalizations and antagonistic choice of words?

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well sence i created this thread i just have to say, when this auction first started.( as in the first item to be auctioned off) i had about 7k in tokens. so for 3 days after that ive been puting my my referral link in the link exchange thread and puting it up on my twitter and facebook(no i never won a twitter challenge, even after doing a few, never won.) and by day 3 i had work up 9.8k in tokens. and with that i took my chances and settled with the bioware literature pack. so i was happy with what i had won. by the end of the auction i had a subtotal of 10800 tokens. so what iam really trying to say is that i worked to get my tokens to where they were. i do feel bad for the others that just did not have tokens to bid on anything. thats all i have to say.

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CptPatch wrote...

Sorry about the rambling.  Finished writing that long-winded (see? even I admit it) sucker @ 4 a.m.

What I have observed about the back-and-forth is that winners (such as yourself) seem to conclude that any non-winner that raises complaints about how the event was operated MUST just be "sore losers" or "whiners" or whatever.  On the flip side, anyone that registering complaints tend to view winners that defend BW or the Bazaar operation as A) condescending people sneering at the rest of "those looosers", and/or B) being "BioWare uber alles!" types.  NONE of those views are universally accurate.  There most definitely _some_ people that hold those views, but as to whether the event was done "Right" or "Wrong", actual opinions vary widely.

I may appear to be a "sore loser" -- from your perspective especially -- but in fact, there really wasn't _anything_ on the prize list that appealed to me.  It's a side-effect of being "comfortably well off" in my declining years.  My PC is already top-of-the-line and those graphics cards and what-not would actually be a degradation of what I already have.  All the other stuff....If I wanted any of it, I _already_ have it.  And I'm waaaaayyyyy too lazy to try to sell stuff to others.  (Which helps to explain why I've got nearly a thousand PC games from the last 20 years or so in my storage unit downstairs.)

MY big beef about the Bazaar was the way BW presented it, followed by how they operated it.  They annouce, "We're doing this for _YOU_!" and then proceed to demonstrate that it's all about Marketing and an enormous amount of benefit to BW.  You may/will say, "Well _that_ ain't no surprise!  Businesses are _always_ doing that anyway!"  Given the sheer chutzpah of the presentation, I see no need to give them a free pass just because "everybody is doing it."  Had they at least been forthright enough to say, "We're looking to have YOU help us to become even bigger!" I most probably would have been more tolerant.  Instead, they manipulated the community into carry on like prisoners at Andersonville when the bread wagon rolled through the gate.

As for the view of Americans by those elsewhere, the single largest block of such witnesses was/is right here on the BW social network.  All of those foreigners that cut cut from the contest at the last second.  Add in my gaming contacts from around the globe (built up over the years) and the kindest adjective describing what went down was "disgusting".  Perhaps I've come to associate with like-minded people, but I will admit that I tend to extrapolate their opinions to be fairly representative of Europeans in general.  (NOT a safe assumption, but still....)

***************
On topic: I would hazard that much of the ensuing weeks before delivery of prizes will be spent verifying the legitimacy of the winners.  I know, for instance, the double win by Ecliptic Deimos was a computer error.  More than likely, the prize from the second auction will most likely be awarded to the #2 bidder.

Its ironic that you're trying to chide us for making gross generalizations about the attitudes of the losers, when you yourself are doing the same thing. Yes, I have been calling people sore loser, you seem to miss that most of us have been calling one specific sore losers--the people who keep posting crap along the lines of "OMG I didn't win anything with the baseline tokens you gave--I hate you forever BioWare", in the same post where they try to talk about how much of a "loyal fan" they are, and how they are so much more deserving and entitled to winning something than anyone else.

Don't get me wrong, I've said that the referral links were a bad idea from day one, I even posted a thread attempting to get people to start thinking up some new methods of earning tokens or whatever for future contests, not that many responded or anything. Goes to show that people rather just tear **** down than be constructive about anything.

The rules to this contest were spelled out from day 1, as were the number of prizes. The problem is no matter how this was handled it some people were always going to have a better oppurtunity to win, I realized that I wasn't likely going to get one of the better prizes, or even the t-shirt pack I wanted, so I opted to aim lower and got myself a poster pack instead. There was also always going to be people trying to exploit the system, American or not, or do you for some reason believe that all the hackers of the world are American?

The other thing i don't get is this assertion that seems to be implicit in all the posts around here that something having a marketing angle to it somehow suddenly makes it mutually exclusive of trying to do something cool for the fans. Somehow I doubt that BioWare generated much new income off of this, seeing as a lot of people got their clicks simply by posting their link in these forums, or that many people who weren't already going to buy a copy of ME2 did because they clicked a link that took them to the site. If anything what BioWare gained off of the referral scheme was increased name recognition and brand awareness, and not direct sales.

I just don't see what the big deal is at the end of the day, none of this is worth getting so upset over, some people got free stuff, others didn't--there are already much greater tragedies occuring in the world today on a daily basis. If "I didn't win anything in the BioWare Bazaar" is you're biggest complaint in life, consider yourself !@#$ing lucky. The way you people go on, it make it sound like BioWare's gone and done everyone some great injustice, when that simply isn't the case.

Modifié par cynicalsaint1, 12 avril 2010 - 02:57 .


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Lets not forget the hypocrisy. He would never stoop to the level of a spammer and yet here he is. This is the third thread made on top of him putting a link to his article in many other threads. Some having nothing to do with the actual contest.

A link that takes you to a website covered in ads.

A article filled with hyperbole, falicies, speculation, baseless assumptions, and ignorant generalzations of large swaths of people.

Only made better by a opening paragraph that pretty much states "if you disagree with my opinion your a BioWare fanboy so just stop reading now"

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Something I'm noticing, based on this thread yes, but all the other threads as well since the inception of the contest, is that the real problem lay with the sudden change of people's status. I'll explain:

There are insiders and outsiders. When this contest was first announced as a "community event" or "for the community," the forum regulars (and rightly so) considered themselves the insiders. They *were* the community, and therefore, this contest was for them.

Problems began to occur when this notion was questioned, not once, but twice.

First, the community members from other countries (and NY and FL I believe?) were not eligible for the contest. These perceived insiders have just become outsiders, and they were not happy.

Second, the forum regulars began to realize that people they considered outsiders (people who had never used the forum) were winning prizes while they (the forum regulars) were losing. These perceived insiders again became outsiders, while the outsiders became insiders. And again, they were not happy.

This is one of the major reasons we see so many angry threads. People who thought themselves to have an advantage going into the contest suddenly found otherwise.

This same notion can be applied to the "Ugly American" argument. Outsiders (anyone not involved in the contest) are able to look in and criticize others' behavior. This criticism of others is empowering and essentially creates a new group of insiders. This time, the insiders are those with the integrity to not have participated in "disgusting behavior" (never mind they weren't *able* to due to the contest rules). And the outsiders are all those "Ugly Americans."

Not everyone who participated in the contest spammed countless forums. To say so is simply a generalization to make those outside of the winner's circle or outside the contest feel better.

Were there those who went over the line to get tokens? Most definitely! Could this contest have been handled better? Certainly! Was this contest *really* just for the community? Well, that depends on your definition of community, but really, no.

Still, that isn't an excuse to generalize and stereotype. It never holds water.

Modifié par onipar, 12 avril 2010 - 04:41 .


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cptpatch I bet people like me (join date 1/21/2010) make the wheels turn in that head of yours. yes I won a ME prequel pack I'll save you the time so you don't have to out me yourself.

It's good to know that someone with such a self-inflating writing style spent the auction being "well off" (read: bragging online about riches) while sneering at the auctioners who did what was reasonably necessary to win anything from a book to a computer. YES the BWB was messed up and I don't disagree with your criticism of the mechanics of the contest, but you have some strange motivations or something.

anyway, you spent the auction gathering data on all the winners and being a true internet stalker so that you could have some excuse of insulting us Master Race Winners-who-happen-to-be-american on your poopy blog.

I may have been a link spammer on some referral threads/the auction thread, but THAT'S WHAT THOSE THREADS WERE FOR! All you had to do was be a little active and click some links, read some posts, not be a total bot. Also I won a twitter challenge. I made the twitter account for the purpose of the BWB so judge me for that with your infinite powers of inference you old, bad author, racist man.

Also cptpatch you failed utterly at replying to siradix's point you labeled A about referral links. they were not talking about your blog which is so conveniently being spammed in this thread by ~you~. They are referring to the fact that the BWB referral links used to generate points re-directed the user to the homepage of either mass effect or dragon age origins awakening. It's all explained very clearly in their original post, but you replied and made it very obvious that you did not even read their post. You probably never clicked any (BWB) referral links so their explanation would be totally incomprehensible to you anyway.

I'm glad the BWB made me more active in the community. it's drawn me back after the auction experience, so that's nice. It's a shame there are still sore losers like cptpatch dirtying the place with their misplaced negativity, but it's nice to know that I'll have some stuff to read in 6-8 weeks, too!

Modifié par Frederic-104, 12 avril 2010 - 05:05 .


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Going back to the topic about when the shipping of prizes. I was wondering whether the m11x's are customizable or not.

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I agree that the contest was not ran as well as it should have been even though I did win a prize. I hated spamming but I did it. Is it because I am an ugly American? I think not, as Bioware is Canadian and their contest rules are what caused the spamming in fact that was the entire point of that part of the contest was to SPAM,SPAM,SPAM.

As has been mentioned by others captain hypocrite has his article published on a click me click me site for paid ads and continues to spam these forums with his link. The difference is that he is PAID to do it and maybe that is the irritation? That some people will do for free what you do for money? It also makes at least a few of your points less valid when you are guilty of them yourself, the old do as I say not as I do doesn’t work with children and it doesn’t work with adults.

Last but not least Captain Patch has at least 2 points of incorrect logic in his article.

1.) How would multiple email addresses help? Sure you can get the free quiz points without registering your games and you can get the referral link points but you also needed to twitter points to win which means each bogus email account would also need a bogus twitter account. If people are willing to go to that much effort to win while you don’t want to participate what is the problem? If you don’t want to fully participate in something why are you surprised when you are beaten by people that are willing to?



2.) Insinuating that you are less of a fan because you don’t have multiple registered copies of games is ridiculous. First bioware allows you to only have ME2,DAO and DAO Awakenings right now under your registered profile. You could still have Baldurs Gate ,ME1, Jade Empire, KOTOR and everyother bioware game and have 0 under your registered games so this is an absolutely useless statistic.


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monochrome2 wrote...

I agree that the contest was not ran as well as it should have been even though I did win a prize. I hated spamming but I did it. Is it because I am an ugly American? I think not, as Bioware is Canadian and their contest rules are what caused the spamming in fact that was the entire point of that part of the contest was to SPAM,SPAM,SPAM.
As has been mentioned by others captain hypocrite has his article published on a click me click me site for paid ads and continues to spam these forums with his link. The difference is that he is PAID to do it and maybe that is the irritation? That some people will do for free what you do for money? It also makes at least a few of your points less valid when you are guilty of them yourself, the old do as I say not as I do doesn’t work with children and it doesn’t work with adults.
Last but not least Captain Patch has at least 2 points of incorrect logic in his article.
1.) How would multiple email addresses help? Sure you can get the free quiz points without registering your games and you can get the referral link points but you also needed to twitter points to win which means each bogus email account would also need a bogus twitter account. If people are willing to go to that much effort to win while you don’t want to participate what is the problem? If you don’t want to fully participate in something why are you surprised when you are beaten by people that are willing to?

2.) Insinuating that you are less of a fan because you don’t have multiple registered copies of games is ridiculous. First bioware allows you to only have ME2,DAO and DAO Awakenings right now under your registered profile. You could still have Baldurs Gate ,ME1, Jade Empire, KOTOR and everyother bioware game and have 0 under your registered games so this is an absolutely useless statistic.

I was going to respond to correct one misconception, but I see other things as well, sooooo

1) NOBODY at HookedGamers receives a wage, salary, or commission.  The ad revenue (which amounts to next to nothing) is used to offset the cost of having the site hosted on a server.  If you want to look for sites with paid writers and/or bloggers, look for the staffers at N4G, GameSpy, GameSpot, etc.

2) The reason the article is itself posted in it's entirety elsewhere is because it's too frickin' long.  There simply isn't enough room in a thread post to layout that much material (or s***, as I'm sure many of you mentally substituted).

3) The ONLY threads that I have "spammed" here have been Bazaar/auction threads.  Furthermore, unlike many other actual spammers, they were on threads where I had already been engaged in discussions on those threads.  The exception being a thread I initiated for the explicit purpose of giving BW members access to the article.  Obviously, many of you hold STRONG opinions that are about as opposite as you can get, and really do NOT want to hear/read anything I might have to say.  The fine; your perogative and right.  By presenting you with a hyperlink instead of 36 column-inches of vitriol, reading my critique/opinion piece is entirely voluntary on your part.  In other words, I "spammed" you with a link.  Would you actually prefer to find a 3-foot long post on this thread?

4) Lastly, no one actually needed a Twitter account to be a winner.  Quite a few winners never won a Challenge to help boost their totals.  No doubt, winning a Challenge would help boost one's tokens significantly, but as far as I know, no one made their winning bid based primarily on their 5950 base + Challenge wins.  Correct me if I'm wrong: did any of you have more Challenge win tokens than you had referral click tokens?  (Wouldn't mind learning who had the most Challenge wins and what that number was.)

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Yeah I'm kinda creeped out that he gathered data about me and the other winners. Weirdo.

I'm also amused by the self-righteousness about spamming from him and the other members with an axe to grind. I had a great time signing up at random, dopey messageboards, tricking people into clicking my link, and laughing my ass off when they got mad. I'm a trolly, and I got rewarded for being a trolly. It's awesome. But it has nothing to do with some heavy morality issue.

But I'm sure when I get my kickin' rad Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, Jade Empire, and Dragon Age PC games, I'll be crying my eyes out from the guilt, and this cptpatch internet blogging entity's words will haunt my nights like a Dickensian apparition.

Modifié par All Dead, 12 avril 2010 - 07:08 .