"Don't like that elf hitting on you?" -ReconTeam
Oh, you get uncomfortable when an elf hit's on you?? Just say no thanks and get over it. Or go create a "manly men" group. That way people will totally know that you aren't gay.
Is Shepard a Jesus allegory yet?
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#27
Posté 11 avril 2010 - 11:45
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ScroguBlitzen wrote...
"Don't like that elf hitting on you?" -ReconTeam
Oh, you get uncomfortable when an elf hit's on you?? Just say no thanks and get over it. Or go create a "manly men" group. That way people will totally know that you aren't gay.
I'm truly sorry if your too intimidated to be in the presence of one as manly and badass as king Cailan, but don't worry about it. Few people can survive such lethal doses of badass. But I'm afraid resorting to baseless slander won't save you from his fist hitting your face.
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#29
Posté 13 avril 2010 - 04:33
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nope typical mistake he is not a allegorical jesus, but is a allegorical constantine because constantine stops all the persecutions. go read a book guys, read "on the death of the persecutors" or "life of constantine" really great books.
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Posté 13 avril 2010 - 06:58
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God I hope not. The whole Jesus allegory ruined the matrix franchise for me.
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Posté 13 avril 2010 - 07:51
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mosor wrote...
God I hope not. The whole Jesus allegory ruined the matrix franchise for me.
For me it was the 2nd and 3rd movies.
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Posté 13 avril 2010 - 08:00
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No, no, no. Jesus said you should treat Shiala as yourself, not shoot her in the face.
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Posté 19 avril 2010 - 10:28
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Props to whoever thought of this topic because its just F*****g hilarious
I am the Biotic God ={D
I am the Biotic God ={D
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Posté 19 avril 2010 - 10:32
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All that we need is the option to join Jack's pirating ambitions and melee weapons:
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Posté 19 avril 2010 - 11:11
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binaryemperor wrote...
I feel like making vague connections/conspiracies
well, shepard has ten followers in ME2, if you include kaiden/ashley, and liara, THAT'S TWELVE!
SHEPARD DIES AND COMES BACK!
His death was a great loss to the galactic community.
Let's just say the Reapers are the Hedonistic Romans after him and the collectors are possessed sinners.
Yup. He's zombie cyborg jesus.
Who said shephard was a "he" anyways
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Posté 19 avril 2010 - 11:45
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The Shadow Broker really wanted Shepard's body because s/he heard it gives eternal life if you eat it.
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Posté 19 avril 2010 - 11:55
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OniGanon wrote...
The Shadow Broker really wanted Shepard's body because s/he heard it gives eternal life if you eat it.
Only if you add mustard.
Mmmmh mustard!
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 01:05
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Shepard has no good beard options. He can't be Jesus.
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 01:40
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ReconTeam wrote...
Why do people start these threads? Seriously. All it does is lure out the godless commies and cause a flame-war.
you sir are an idiot... people who worship these things that they make up called "gods" and they force others to their beliefs. force others into their single minded thinking. this is more like communism than atheism. atheism is thinking for yourself not blindly thinking the way an idiot who willing gives up sex wants you to. religion is brainwashing on a wide scale using fear to force others to do what they want.
also us atheists tend to keep to ourselves unlike you religeous folk who go door to door annoying everybody so they'll convert to your religion. the only time an atheist actually does something like that is when either you come onto our turf and start preaching or you attack us
and someone called for a flame war?
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 03:08
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FlintlockJazz wrote...
OniGanon wrote...
The Shadow Broker really wanted Shepard's body because s/he heard it gives eternal life if you eat it.
Only if you add mustard.
Mmmmh mustard!
#42
Posté 20 avril 2010 - 03:30
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mosor wrote...
God I hope not. The whole Jesus allegory ruined the matrix franchise for me.
To be fair, every story told can be boiled down to a handful of storylines, and the Jesus allegory is one of the more common ones.
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 06:24
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Ah crap, better get out the flame shield.thepiebaker wrote...
and someone called for a flame war?
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Posté 20 avril 2010 - 10:47
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A fairly interesting topic, doomed to be sidetracked into a flame war ... I do love the flame shield image though.
To answer the question, I don't see Shepard as a religious messiah figure. Shepard is brought back by technology supported by crazy amounts of money, and has no idea that s/he's been dead. Cerberus spent oodles of money reworking Shepard's body and brain to make sure that neural pathways are connected (interview with Jacob and Miranda). This suggests a fairly dim view of the immortality of the soul (at least the soul as something that can exist outside of the body). If Cerberus really thought they could use the technological equivalent of a resurrection spell, there's be less need to worry about neural connections - the memories would be housed in the soul after all. As I see it, Shepard's experience is inconsistent with the idea of life after death, barring crazy technology or cloning. And of course, there's Benezia's famous line that she thought there would be light. So, if anything, Shepard is a messiah figure for the idea that there isn't life after death.
I think the overtly religious (Christian) language in ME (Christmas cards being sent, Ashley believing, Lazarus project, and Legion) suggests more that religion (like the poor) will always be with us. Mordin, Thane, and Legion all refer to alternative religions, but again suggest that religion will always be with us in some form or another.
My analysis of the ME stories is that there probably isn't life after death, but humans (and aliens) are always going to have religious feelings because of the immense and unanswerable aspects of the universe.
Not that anyone has to believe that, of course. Religious believers can be like Ashely and keep on believing. And there will be many like John Lennon holding out for the day without religion.
To answer the question, I don't see Shepard as a religious messiah figure. Shepard is brought back by technology supported by crazy amounts of money, and has no idea that s/he's been dead. Cerberus spent oodles of money reworking Shepard's body and brain to make sure that neural pathways are connected (interview with Jacob and Miranda). This suggests a fairly dim view of the immortality of the soul (at least the soul as something that can exist outside of the body). If Cerberus really thought they could use the technological equivalent of a resurrection spell, there's be less need to worry about neural connections - the memories would be housed in the soul after all. As I see it, Shepard's experience is inconsistent with the idea of life after death, barring crazy technology or cloning. And of course, there's Benezia's famous line that she thought there would be light. So, if anything, Shepard is a messiah figure for the idea that there isn't life after death.
I think the overtly religious (Christian) language in ME (Christmas cards being sent, Ashley believing, Lazarus project, and Legion) suggests more that religion (like the poor) will always be with us. Mordin, Thane, and Legion all refer to alternative religions, but again suggest that religion will always be with us in some form or another.
My analysis of the ME stories is that there probably isn't life after death, but humans (and aliens) are always going to have religious feelings because of the immense and unanswerable aspects of the universe.
Not that anyone has to believe that, of course. Religious believers can be like Ashely and keep on believing. And there will be many like John Lennon holding out for the day without religion.
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Posté 21 avril 2010 - 06:11
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Yeah, Shep is Jesus.
He has 12 followers.
He died saving humanity (and the galaxy) and he was resurrected.
Jesus is a shepherd (Shepard) to his flock.
He has 12 followers.
He died saving humanity (and the galaxy) and he was resurrected.
Jesus is a shepherd (Shepard) to his flock.
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Posté 21 avril 2010 - 06:24
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SHEP != jesus.
However,
Reapers = Gods
However,
Reapers = Gods
#47
Posté 21 avril 2010 - 08:43
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bobobo878 wrote...
Ah crap, better get out the flame shield.
Fire-retarded material?
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Posté 21 avril 2010 - 09:05
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resurrected demigod heroes are older than jesus and way more entertaining.
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Posté 21 avril 2010 - 11:03
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I don't think it's intentional, but some of the elements are clearly there, especially in ME2. The vilified savior whose "claims" are "dismissed" by the authority figures and who (potentially at least) dies to save everyone else. Plus the more superficial stuff like the 12 followers, the name, dying and coming back from the dead, etc. You could also see Cerberus changing into a force for good as an example of redemption.
Like I said, I don't think there's an intentional religious subtext here (although it IS funny that the character's name is "Shepard" of all things), these concepts are so deeply ingrained in our culture that they find their way into a lot of narratives.
Like I said, I don't think there's an intentional religious subtext here (although it IS funny that the character's name is "Shepard" of all things), these concepts are so deeply ingrained in our culture that they find their way into a lot of narratives.
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Posté 21 avril 2010 - 12:20
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ReconTeam wrote...
Why do people start these threads? Seriously. All it does is lure out the godless commies and cause a flame-war.
Gosh, I wonder why you get so much hate with that nice comment... Like saying all muslims are terrorists, or all Katholics are phedopiles.
And back to the topic at hand. Well both are fictional characters so they have another thing common with each other. And nones Shepard are the others alike. So the Illusiveman are Lucifer?
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