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[Emerald Melios]

Magi origin, since Cailan needs wizard badly.

[Raiil]

I could be wrong, but for number 3, nobles have their station hammered into their heads from an early age; they are 'special'. Some, like the Couslands, tend to believe that this means they have a duty to their people, which is good, of course. But there's an especial focus on the continuance of the bloodline and their are political ramifications that a mage or a commoner (or the dalish version thereof) doesn't have to worry about. If a mage dies, it means precious little to outsiders. If the entire Cousland family had perished, after the Blight there would have been serious issues about where the terynship went.

[LadyDamodred]

Yes, but as a Cousland, you are taught that your duty is not simply to your family. It is primarily to your country and king, and if being a Grey Warden is the best way to do that duty, then it doesn't matter what happens to the family line. That's how I see it anyway.

[ShadowSoulReaper]

Mage. If I had the chance, a Dalish Keepers First.

[Raiil]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Yes, but as a Cousland, you are taught that your duty is not simply to your family. It is primarily to your country and king, and if being a Grey Warden is the best way to do that duty, then it doesn't matter what happens to the family line. That's how I see it anyway.

Yes, but on the other hand, IIRC you have options that make it clear that you want to go after your brother and find him- it's Duncan that prevents you from doing this. Obviously in the game the mechanics force you to lock into stopping the Blight, but for other nobles, not so much, and Duncan took that chance with you. You don't 'have' to feel that way, persay.

[Chaia]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Yes, but as a Cousland, you are taught that your duty is not simply to your family. It is primarily to your country and king, and if being a Grey Warden is the best way to do that duty, then it doesn't matter what happens to the family line. That's how I see it anyway.

Too true, however depending on how you rp your HN, the character could be some spoilt upper class brat that doesn't care about his/her duty to other people, only how it profits or benefits them.

Modifié par Chaia, 11 avril 2010 - 10:18 .

[7th_Phoenix]

Mage... most definitely. Too bad there were only so few in the battle at Ostagar. Really would have made a difference. But yes, mage origin would my pick if I were Duncan.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

The nobility would actually be my last place of recruitment, because of the huge amounts of possible complications, like:

1. Strong ties to house, politics, family and society would be very hard to break.
2. Power of nobility to make your life hell if you step on their toes (Duncan even mentions this in the HN origin).
3. Their presence in your ranks can cause serious conflicts of interest in situations where neutrality is required.
4. Little interest from potential recruits: nobles usually are looking forward to very bright, promising futures. Becoming a nameless soldier of an old order would be a few steps down.

Shall I post a rebuttal?    Again, these all vary based on how you rp the characters, I'm just gonna talk about how I see the origins in general.

1)  They are also, out of all the origins, the ones who know and will do their duty.  And when confronted by the things the Grey Wardens have to do, they would be the ones most likely to suck it up and do it.

2)  They also have the ability to sway high ranking people.  Regardless of them being a Grey Warden, other nobles would still know of anmd respect them for what they are.  That can do a lot of good.

3)  No one comes to the Grey Wardens as a blank slate.  There is no true neutrality.  I don't see there being issues within the ranks of the Grey Wardens. Perhaps you could elaborate?

4)  This one is very much RP based.  My HNF wanted to be a Grey Warden, but that could be an exception.  And it's no less true of any other origin.  It depends how the origin sees the Order.  Of all of them, the nobles would know the most, and therefore be more likely to know how important they really are.

Edit for typos.

1. I wasn't refering to our specific PC origins. I was refering to origins in the broader sense. Recruiting from nobillity not being restricted to Couslands and Aeducans, but all noble families. I do not think in general, however, that they would be the ones most easily accepting of Warden morality. That would go to Dwarf commoners and City elves.

2. Which again, can lead to major problems.

3. The past-life ties for nobles are far stronger and more far reaching than they would be for a gutter rat or joe schmoe nobody.  Mages have pretty much zero family, social, political, or material ties to much of anything. Dwarf casteless come from a segment of society that is so despised and broken, family ties are pretty weak. Nobility, however, are strongly entrenched in family, title, ect.

4. Again, we are talking in general, not in game RP of our origins. Most human nobles would not be terribly eager, given better prospects for honor and glory elsewhere. Human nobility regards the grey wardens neutrally. The dwarves would be a bit more willing, given their situation, but even then, unlikely.

[mousestalker]

Doesn't someone, either in game or in one of the books, refer to the Grey Wardens as 'second sons'? That's the sort of nobility the Grey Wardens, in my opinion, can expect. After you've popped out an heir and made all the advantageous marriages you can, then any excess progeny go off to the Grey Wardens.



The Dalish are very reluctant to give up the sort of fighters that the Grey Wardens require, not to mention mages. Velanna was thrown out already for being, essentially, too dangerous. The Dalish clans are very much extended families and every hand is needed.



A similar analysis to human nobles also applies to dwarf nobles with the added caveat that dwarven fertility is lower than human, so the odds of having spare and unneeded children are slim.



All my mages have jumped at the chance to leave the Tower. No sales pitch was ever required. While not every mage would be keen to go off to fight, a fair number would be eager for the freedom offered by the Grey Wardens. You are encouraged to study blood magic. If there isn't a Blight then it need not be especially dangerous. You've already survived one fatal ritual, what's one more? And Avernus makes it clear that the thirty year limit on life span need not apply to mages.



The City Elf also has strong family ties, but presumably not all City Elves share those ties. And life in the Alienage is sufficiently grim to produce the wily, tough fighters the Grey Wardens need. And what can be said about city elves applies even more so to the casteless dwarves. From what we see of Dust Town, the thirty year life expectancy of a Grey Warden is probably longer than that of a casteless dwarf.

[ENCHANTMENTSSS]

My 1st would be a mage and tell him he'll be in the frontlines so he'll have no choice but to learn the spells of an Arcane Warrior and Battlemage.

2nd would be a Dalish bowman* cuz u can never hav enough for support and defensive positions

*archer to be politically correct

Modifié par ENCHANTMENTSSS, 11 avril 2010 - 10:47 .

[LadyDamodred]

Yes, a lot of this very much depends on how you rp the origins. I was trying to refer to in general how I think each origin is. And I use the origins presented in the game b/c Duncan does not go trying to recruit Vaughn, he comes to Highever. The Cousland's are known for their commiment/sense of duty (that's the impression I got from the game, maybe it's too much projection on my part). They are an exceptional noble family.



And that's applicable to all origins, in a sense. I've done a HN who wanted to be a GW, one who went when Bryce said it was their duty, and one who had to be conscripted. I've done a CE who wanted to get the hell out of the alienage and one who was devastated when her fiance died and she wasn't going to get a family. I've had a mage who told the tower to suck it and one who was terrified of leaving the only home she's ever known.



In their own ways, every origin can be both the best and the worst. I can make cases for all of them. We're going to think differently, naturally, but I cannot definitively say one is better than the other. There are only my own personal preferences.

[Chaia]

LadyDamodred wrote...

 The Cousland's are known for their commiment/sense of duty (that's the impression I got from the game, maybe it's too much projection on my part). They are an exceptional noble family

I'm not sure about the current generation of Couslands, but like you said they do seem to have a strong sence of duty in general (I say that as you only meet a small part of the family.......unless it is just that small)
(SPOLIER) 
but if you play the Warden's Keep DLC you'll find out that the Cousland house wasn't always so, and a long time ago tried to rebel aganist the then king (Arland I think his name was) before being forced in subission, were alot of the members were killed (but they did seem to rebel for the right reasons....)

Modifié par Chaia, 11 avril 2010 - 11:18 .

[LadyDamodred]

The Cousland's *do* have a history of opposing kings who push them around, it seems. We had to be beaten into submission by Calenhad, and I have the feeling there is more to the Arland story. I also said 'country and king'. I think the former will take precedence over the latter if they feel they are forced to choose between the two, which would explain Arland.

But this is all conjecture.

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 11 avril 2010 - 11:23 .

[Addai]

Dwarven, most likely, though I think my Dalish girl

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probably made the best Warden of all my characters. However, it would be unlikely to expect to find a Dalish elf who was tainted and thus had no choice but to leave his/her clan.

Modifié par Addai67, 12 avril 2010 - 03:30 .

[Gill Kaiser]

Obviously Mage. One Mage is worth multiple rogues or warriors, no matter what their backgrounds.

[LadyDamodred]

*whistles as she thinks of the way she and Alistair tear through mages*



I realize how non-decisive this sounds, but there is no origin that is better than the others. It is all in how you rp it, and how you do that changes what Duncan would have been looking for. Tis like the great cake/pie wars of '06. There is no *right* or *obvious* answer, only our own personal preferences.

[sylvanaerie]

For sheer versatility of abilities : Mage first.

Then Dwarf Noble: he/she is a commander who better damn well be seasoned fighting darkspawn considering they are so close to them all the time.

[mousestalker]

LadyDamodred wrote...

*whistles as she thinks of the way she and Alistair tear through mages*

I realize how non-decisive this sounds, but there is no origin that is better than the others. It is all in how you rp it, and how you do that changes what Duncan would have been looking for. Tis like the great cake/pie wars of '06. There is no *right* or *obvious* answer, only our own personal preferences.

Mage.

And lemon meringue pie.

So there. 

[ashez2ashes]

Mages definitley. The sales pitch is easy, and they can work as healers or battle mages. If I was Duncan I'd have tried to recruit several.



Casteless dwarves would be an easy sales pitch as well.

[Kats_RK]

Dwarf Noble or Human Noble

[LadyDamodred]

mousestalker wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

*whistles as she thinks of the way she and Alistair tear through mages*

I realize how non-decisive this sounds, but there is no origin that is better than the others. It is all in how you rp it, and how you do that changes what Duncan would have been looking for. Tis like the great cake/pie wars of '06. There is no *right* or *obvious* answer, only our own personal preferences.

Mage.

And lemon meringue pie.

So there. 

Oh, so we're gonna go there, are we?  Alrighty then.

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[Lantrov]

Dwarf Noble or Human Noble, because than you'll have a member of a noble family that would be more likely to lend aid and speak out in any poilitical meeting to support the Grey Wardens.

[Revya]

Mage, is there another class that lets you be the LAST of the Jedi...I mean Arcane Warrior

[Addai]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Obviously Mage. One Mage is worth multiple rogues or warriors, no matter what their backgrounds.

Well, I will say that I do hate fighting spellcasters.  But stealth plus an arrow of slaying and the mage never even knew my rogue was there.  When playing a mage PC myself, it's always the damn archers I hate the most (*yes, Genlock Forge Master, I'm talking to you, you rat bastard!*)

[Ichaerus1]

Urshakk wrote...

This is assuming that the recruit goes through the events of the origin right? And not just fresh out of character creation?

I would pick the Dalish, why? Because the Dalish recruit has lived in the wild for a time and developed survival skills. He/she has already encountered darkspawn and fought them. He/she has also already seen and experienced the darkspawn taint (remember the mirror?) and survived. As Duncan says: "You only survived because of your strong will" (Paraphasing)

This makes them a far stronger canditate then the others, as they have already experienced the taint and lived. They know first hand how corrupting it is and the thought of it spreading should be enough to motivate them to save their clan from it. The Dwarf Noble also sees as much darkspawn in their origin, but did they get infected with the taint and live? No.

And sure a Mage may be control a lot of power at their fingertips, but they are learning the ways of magic and are still prone to being reckless. (Don't know how many times a friendly mage has launched a Fireball at me or casted a Blizzard on top of my party)

I agree.  Experience and knowledge over raw unpolished potential every time.