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[Zulu_DFA]

kraidy1117 wrote...

How about you go to hell?

How about you?

OP = three lines of awesome!!!

[archurban]

Solomen wrote...

It would probably be better if Shepard made a new team for the reaper assault while the surviving team from ME2 ran around on seperate but equally important quests.  That way they can have epic cameos in the final battle without draining resources for the main game.  If they died in ME2 then it would be some other character taking their place. 


Edited for odd typos

people demand for a lot. you don't think how hard to deal with this kind of favor for developers. do you think that it is easy, or just comes out for you. NO. you have no idea about 3D modelling job. that's just pain my ass. no matter what you want, that kind of stuff never happen.

[JeanLuc761]

archurban wrote...

Solomen wrote...

It would probably be better if Shepard made a new team for the reaper assault while the surviving team from ME2 ran around on seperate but equally important quests.  That way they can have epic cameos in the final battle without draining resources for the main game.  If they died in ME2 then it would be some other character taking their place. 


Edited for odd typos

people demand for a lot. you don't think how hard to deal with this kind of favor for developers. do you think that it is easy, or just comes out for you. NO. you have no idea about 3D modelling job. that's just pain my ass. no matter what you want, that kind of stuff never happen.

I uh...what is it you're trying to say here? 

[bobito64]

Pretty much every game that Bioware has made up until now has had the same basic story. The hero starts off alone and one by one compiles his/her band of trusty comrades wherupon they then save the world /galaxy. It's The Magnificent 7 or The Dirty Dozen with just the setting and characters changed. For you to continue with your ME2 crew, or even with a crew made up of ME and ME2 squaddies, Bioware would have to change their formula. I would love to see them do this personally, because their games are beginning to get a little predictable, but I'm not sure that they will.

[Ieldra]

I do not want to play a game centered on recruiting characters again. ME2 was too much like that already. I want an epic main plot with the characters from ME1 and ME2.

So, no. Obviously some of the old cast will need reduced roles, but if we got only, or even mostly, new characters yet again then it will be the major disappointment. Bioware said ME was planned to be a trilogy. Then, make it so. Let's have some character continuity apart from Shepard. Let's have a really epic main plot with a good number of main plot missions instead of character recruitment again which was already becoming all too formulaic in ME2.

[St Mael]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

How about you go to hell?

How about you?

OP = three lines of awesome!!!

You can go to hell too. People around here have reached a clear consensus on the fact that these characters need to be at Shepard's side until it's all over.

You should read this post on the matter.

Ieldra2 wrote...

I do not want to play a
game centered on recruiting characters again. ME2 was too much like that already. I want an epic main plot with the characters from ME1 and ME2.

So, no. Obviously some of the old cast will need reduced roles, but if we got only, or even mostly, new characters yet again then it will be the major disappointment. Bioware said ME was planned to be a trilogy. Then, make it so. Let's have some character continuity apart from Shepard. Let's have a really epic main plot with a good number of main plot missions instead of character recruitment again which was already becoming all too formulaic in ME2.

It' smarter than everything you have ever written or ever will write on these boards.

Modifié par St Mael, 12 avril 2010 - 10:17 .

[LakeshowAD1986]

At the end of it, you need two loyal squadmates in order to import your Shepard into ME3. Add this to perhaps a couple new squadmates and you'll have 4-6 (guessing). Anyone else that survives will be a bonus IMO.



You'll perhaps have Thane or others that will not return, and their places will be replaces with ME1 characters or perhaps new ones in ME3.

[STG]

I didn't mind the recruitment missions that much to be honest. I did however mind the fact that every member of your team had this big issue that they couldn't take care of on their own and needed Shepard's help.



Just seems unrealistic for such a story driven game.

[Xandurpein]

Almost everybody agrees that the recruitment missions and the loyalty missions where very well done in ME2. What a lot of people didn't like was how the recruitment quests took over from the main story. Personally I think this was acceptable in ME2, because it's the middle of a trilogy, but it would be totally inappropriate in ME3, which needs to be about the end of the main plot and closure of the series.



There simply won't be enough time to make new recruitment and loyalty missions AND give the main plot the attention it needs. It would be far better to have a few number of personal quests for catching up with the missing crew members (Kaidan/Ashley and Liara) hopefully integrated into the main plot, and then focus on Shepard uniting the Galaxy to defeat the Reapers.

[smudboy]

Xandurpein wrote...

Almost everybody agrees that the recruitment missions and the loyalty missions where very well done in ME2. What a lot of people didn't like was how the recruitment quests took over from the main story. Personally I think this was acceptable in ME2, because it's the middle of a trilogy, but it would be totally inappropriate in ME3, which needs to be about the end of the main plot and closure of the series.

There simply won't be enough time to make new recruitment and loyalty missions AND give the main plot the attention it needs. It would be far better to have a few number of personal quests for catching up with the missing crew members (Kaidan/Ashley and Liara) hopefully integrated into the main plot, and then focus on Shepard uniting the Galaxy to defeat the Reapers.

It was unnacceptable because it wasn't tied into the narrative.  The side characters had no motivation to go kill themselves (save Mordin.)  They were all completely static, and their inclusion into the story was because "TIM said so", save Mordin.

Also, ME2 could've easily been about the over arching plot and still had very well done loyalty missions (just not as many.)

The very idea of a loyalty mission is ridiculous, especially in a few instances of ME2.  (What, Tali and Garrus need to be loyaled-up a 3rd time for ME3?)  It was just a game play mechanic to get the player to go through a level of violence.  How "loyalty" makes Garrus bulletproof or non-loyalty makes Zaeed get a tech expert killed is totally illogical.

[Solomen]

It seems like alot of people here haven't played any other RPGs... a loyalty mission for new characters in me3 is not necessary. In fact most of the recruited characters don't need to be squadmates but still can have important roles. A balance can be achieved.

It very well could be that Shepard doesn't have squaddies in the same sense as me1 or me2 seeing as how the final battle is against giant sapient starships.

[Zulu_DFA]

smudboy wrote...

The very idea of a loyalty mission is ridiculous, especially in a few instances of ME2.  (What, Tali and Garrus need to be loyaled-up a 3rd time for ME3?)  It was just a game play mechanic to get the player to go through a level of violence.  How "loyalty" makes Garrus bulletproof or non-loyalty makes Zaeed get a tech expert killed is totally illogical.

Agreed.

The argument that new squadmates will require recruitment/loyalty missions and it will take development resources from the main story is absolutely invalid. New characters can join in the course of plot missions and be "loyal" by deafult.

For example. A major race, that is still barely explored is the Batarians. Lots of issues there. Personally I (my Shepard) feel very little sympathy for them and am not eager to accept a batarian squadmate, but it would be quite justified. Say, the pesky Levitphan of Dis turns out to be a major piece of the puzzle that needs to be solved to defeat the Reapers. This takes Shapard to the batarian space, and naturally there is some batarian dude, who wishes to assist. He joins and here we have a new squadmate.

Actually that was the case in Mass Effect. Ashley, Liara, Tali, Ashley, and Garrus/Wrex joined absolutely at no expense of the main plot. Instead they were driving the main plot further.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

LakeshowAD1986 wrote...

At the end of it, you need two loyal squadmates for shep to survive the suicide mission in order to import your Shepard into ME3. Add this to perhaps a couple new squadmates and you'll have 4-6 (guessing). Anyone else that survives will be a bonus IMO.

You'll perhaps have Thane or others that will not return, and their places will be replaces with ME1 characters or perhaps new ones in ME3.

Corrected a mistake

Squadmates don't need to be loyal for Shep to survive, as the below pic is testament too (will even upload it to the masseffectsaves website if people interested).

Funnily enough I didn't even pick a stupid person for the various tasks (unless you count them not being loyal as stupid)...  Tali was in the vents, Mordin as escort, Kasumi and Jacob were the final battle team. Samara was biotic, jack got swarmed and miranda was the only one to fall in the door defence.

[IoCaster]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...


Corrected a mistake

Squadmates don't need to be loyal for Shep to survive, as the below pic is testament too (will even upload it to the masseffectsaves website if people interested).

Funnily enough I didn't even pick a stupid person for the various tasks (unless you count them not being loyal as stupid)...  Tali was in the vents, Mordin as escort, Kasumi and Jacob were the final battle team. Samara was biotic, jack got swarmed and miranda was the only one to fall in the door defence.

I like it. It makes me want to start a new game just to try my own variation on that theme. An all non-loyal suicide run sounds like fun.

[kraidy1117]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

LakeshowAD1986 wrote...

At the end of it, you need two loyal squadmates for shep to survive the suicide mission in order to import your Shepard into ME3. Add this to perhaps a couple new squadmates and you'll have 4-6 (guessing). Anyone else that survives will be a bonus IMO.

You'll perhaps have Thane or others that will not return, and their places will be replaces with ME1 characters or perhaps new ones in ME3.

Corrected a mistake

Squadmates don't need to be loyal for Shep to survive, as the below pic is testament too (will even upload it to the masseffectsaves website if people interested).

Funnily enough I didn't even pick a stupid person for the various tasks (unless you count them not being loyal as stupid)...  Tali was in the vents, Mordin as escort, Kasumi and Jacob were the final battle team. Samara was biotic, jack got swarmed and miranda was the only one to fall in the door defence.

YOU KILLED MIRI!

Anyways as I stand by my point. No one new characters, we want the old ones back. Bring in new ones and reduce the ME2 characters to cameos and people will be pissed off and sales will drop, big time.

[Zulu_DFA]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Bring in new ones and reduce the ME2 characters to cameos and people will be pissed off and sales will drop, big time.

Who? The shooter crowd will be pissed off about new squadmates? Don't be ridiculous.

And devoted ME fans will buy it anyway. Hype it up enough and you'll be pissing sulfuric acid a month ahead of ME3 release. I bet PR section at EA ain't no fools.

[JeanLuc761]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Bring in new ones and reduce the ME2 characters to cameos and people will be pissed off and sales will drop, big time.

Who? The shooter crowd will be pissed off about new squadmates? Don't be ridiculous.

And devoted ME fans will buy it anyway. Hype it up enough and you'll be pissing sulfuric acid a month ahead of ME3 release. I bet PR section at EA ain't no fools.

As cynical as you tend to be, you're probably dead on right with those two statements.  

[BaladasDemnevanni]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Bring in new ones and reduce the ME2 characters to cameos and people will be pissed off and sales will drop, big time.

Who? The shooter crowd will be pissed off about new squadmates? Don't be ridiculous.

And devoted ME fans will buy it anyway. Hype it up enough and you'll be pissing sulfuric acid a month ahead of ME3 release. I bet PR section at EA ain't no fools.

As cynical as you tend to be, you're probably dead on right with those two statements.  

It's like how wow players like to complain that they'll quit anytime their class is nerfed or some change goes through they don't like. It never happens.

[Collider]

Of course the "devoted" fans would buy, by their very label they are "dedicated" to the series. Those who are between casual and devoted though? Different story. Bioware knows that they get a lot of money from their fans, and not just new players. And this is a trilogy. If it breaks out that all we get are mostly new squad mates, it's very possible for reduced sales. Huge drop? Doubtful, many people will either not care, not care enough, or not know beforehand. But you can be sure it will ****** people off, last game in the trilogy, last time to bring these characters back to Shepard, if they don't return some people will either not buy it or reconsider buying from Bioware again.

[Sago_mulch]

MAKE SOME RETURN. OTHERS NOT.

I DON'T WANT THE  COMPLETELY SAME TEAM(MIX IT UP, LIKE THE BALDURS GATE SERIES) AS LAST TIME OR I'LL RAEG LIKE A NERD AND START AN INTERNET PETITION.

Modifié par Sago_mulch, 12 avril 2010 - 05:57 .

[CTM1]

[quote]kraidy1117 wrote...

YOU KILLED MIRI!

Anyways as I stand by my point. No one new characters, we want the old ones back. Bring in new ones and reduce the ME2 characters to cameos and people will be pissed off and sales will drop, big time.

[/quote]

Except that if you bothered reading the points of others in this thread, you'd realize that not all of them are even toting this idea. It wouldn't be so bad if you were just here to argue with those who disagreed, except you haven't. The few times where someone has said something like "Hey, check out this idea: I think that everyone is getting ahead of themselves thinking that the squadmate system will work the same way in ME3 compared to the previous games" or "Bioware could easily introduce new characters while still making sure the cast from the previous games receives all the big roles" or "Bioware could still introduce new characters without necessarily replacing the roles of your former squadmates, here's how", you've just bleated the same thing, dismissing it entirely out of hand.

Here, let me show you:

Starting with page 5, because this is where it was brought to my attention:

[quote]Peppard wrote...

Yes, so that's why I tried to suggest an idea of how the "returning" characters could be given full stories and combat profiles.   They could also just not make new characters, of course, but some players are as eager for a batarian squad member or something new for the sake of new, or b/c they lost everyone, as other players are for a fitting, well
developed close to the story of the characters we've already met.    If BW is trying to choose how to devote the budget, my suggestion was, if anyone is going to get stuck with a bit part, make it the inevitable new characters instead of the old ones.[/quote]
Your response:

[quote]kraidy1117 wrote...

making new squadmates would take alot more money then using the old characters, and not to mention if Bioware even tries to pull that ME3 sales will be very poor. Alot of ME fans will not buy ME3 if we get a new squad and ME2 gets crappy cameos. I sure as hell won't buy it, no matter how much the story rock or if the gameplay is epic. Bioware
giving us a whole new squad is Bioware telling us that ME2 was a complete waste of time.[/quote]
Your first sentence tells me you were listening, but decided he was being optimistic. However, you end up repeating the same old tired line, which has nothing to do with what he was saying, at all. The rest of your paragraph is the same thing.

I pointed this out to you. Your response?

[quote]No one wants new characters. Judging by the huge support threads, polls and the hostile that this guy is getting no one wants any. You might but alot of people don't. I as sure as hell don't If you lost people in ME2 it should bite you in the ass, if you just get a replacement, then the whole suicide was a gimick and a waste of time.[/quote]
Once again, completely ignoring what I said. First of all, we weren't talking about Solomen; it was Peppard. Second of all, no one said anything about replacements; you're the one assuming that. It creates a false dichotomy to say that introducing new characters means rewarding those who killed off the previous ones in this fashion.

It also assumes quite a lot from those polls. For instance, I could just as easily say that the ~90 percentile are saying "Don't shaft the old characters!" depending on how the poll is worded. I'm sure a lot of people don't want that, myself included.

Once again, I pointed this out to you. Your response:

[quote]You do know, no gives a flying **** right?People want ME2 squadmates to be squadmates in ME3, thats all there is too it.. Bioware not doing that is just being lazy and will make them lose money. Only the cry babies and people like the oP (who is a troll because he wanted a rise out of people and he got it) don't.[/quote]
Once again, you prove that you are either do not know how to read, or you have a small attention span. You didn't even bother this time; you just bleated the same argument we've heard a hundred times - an argument that makes no sense repeating here. "no gives a flying **** right?" About what? About how to introduce new characters? Because new characters means giving old characters the shaft? Again, a false implication. The argument being raised (which was Peppard's, I should remind you) was that new characters could be introduced without affecting in any way the way in which characters from the previous two games appear. People who "want ME2 squadmates to be squadmates in ME3" could most certainly get behind such a proposal. Peppard himself was one such person, for instance. So am I. There's nothing wrong with introducing new characters, so long as Bioware doesn't compromise what they tried selling us in Mass Effect 2 (i.e. characters that matter and are in it for the long haul).

I pointed this out, too. Since it really boiled down to you failing to read, I kept it short. Your response?

[quote]Your post is uselss,  give them an importent cameo is that, an cameo. People don't want that. It's plain and simple.  They even try that crap and I will not buy ME3 nor will alot of people, hurting ME3 big time. [/quote]
Who said anything about giving them "important cameos"? You did, that's who. No one else. The argument (proposal, really) was (repeating myself here) a way to introduce new characters without annoying the fanbase.

You're just putting words into others' mouths, here. My post was mostly useless in that it only existed to bring your attention to another, more important one, but your response is easily the more useless of the two, because it only repeated what I already know: you're a ME2 fan who can't look beyond your own nose.

I didn't see this post at first, but it changes nothing.

Oh, and as far as I can tell so far, you're the only one who's resorted to name-calling in this thread, too. That's why I called you out when kglaser mentioned something you were guilty of, yet assumed was referring to someone else. While a couple others have come in here expressing their disappointment, you're the only one who has said anything that could be easily interpreted as hateful (i.e. calling people "****ing morons"). Your response, then, made no sense: the crybabies you referred to were just expressing their opinion (albeit in not the most reasonable fashion, but that's not the point). Furthermore, at least one of said crybabies expressed an opinion very similar to yours (i.e. annoyed that ME1 characters were shafted), yet your response was to turn around and call him a whiner and accept it. Er, excuse me? Mass Effect 1 is certainly different from Mass Effect 2, but his general attitude wasn't very different from yours on the whole thing.

Anyway, you once again completely misunderstood. Your response sums it up:

[quote]Seeing as he is am oron who should have used the search feature, how is that ironic. Yes go protect people who are getting flamed, you seem to like doing that. Better yet why not you just go and talk with Smudboy and complain about ME2? Then us fans of ME2 would't have to deal with this bull****.[/quote]

Here's what I said:

[quote]CTM1 said...
[quote]kraidy1117 wrote...

Seeing as he is am oron who should have used the search feature, how is that ironic.[/quote]

Because you resorted to name-calling, and he didn't? Because you later responded to someone wishing for a "hatred-free discussion" by referring to people (besides Solomen) who did nothing more than provide their opinions? Without acknowledging the fact you, in fact, are a more accurate example of what the person was talking about, since you provided some of said hatred by your name-calling (not to mention general abusive behavior in this thread, which seems to surface whenever a conversation drags on long enough with you). How is that not ironic? My comment wasn't about Solomen, but about what you said in response to another's complaint on the whole subject.

You're not very observant, are you? That seems evident enough considering how poorly you've already demonstrated your ability to read a post so far. That wasn't even the point of my previous post, which was to bring your attention to another argument that was made in this thread (and has since been swallowed up by all this bickering, sadly) that you so hilariously misunderstood.

[quote]Yes go protect people who are getting flamed,[/quote]
Why would a person not do so? Is flaming others a good thing?

[quote]Better yet why not you just go and talk with Smudboy and complain about ME2? Then us fans of ME2 would't have to deal with this bull****.[/quote]
How is this relevant?

Here's an idea, kraidy1117. Try reading before responding. It does wonders.[/quote]

It's hilarious how badly you've behaved while insisting others are guilty of worse, on top of failing to read the fine points on arguments that in fact do not hate on your stance concerning the pedestal you call Mass Effect 2.

Do yourself a favor kraidy1117. Leave the debating to those willing to do so civily. Because you obviously can't. Hell, you don't even seem able to crawl out of that two-dimensional world of yours. Debating appears simply out of your league.

Modifié par CTM1, 12 avril 2010 - 08:38 .

[Cra5y Pineapple]

NEVAAAR I will not let go of my beloved Garrus and Tali!



I think at least three old members should return in ME3.

[kraidy1117]

[quote]CTM1 wrote...

[quote]kraidy1117 wrote...

YOU KILLED MIRI!

Anyways as I stand by my point. No one new characters, we want the old ones back. Bring in new ones and reduce the ME2 characters to cameos and people will be pissed off and sales will drop, big time.

[/quote]

Except that if you bothered reading the points of others in this thread, you'd realize that not all of them are even toting this idea. It wouldn't be so bad if you were just here to argue with those who disagreed, except you haven't. The few times where someone has said something like "Hey, check out this idea: I think that everyone is getting ahead of themselves thinking that the squadmate system will work the same way in ME3 compared to the previous games" or "Bioware could easily introduce new characters while still making sure the cast from the previous games receives all the big roles" or "Bioware could still introduce new characters without necessarily replacing the roles of your former squadmates, here's how", you've just bleated the same thing, dismissing it entirely out of hand.

Here, let me show you:

Starting with page 5, because this is where it was brought to my attention:

[quote]Peppard wrote...

Yes, so that's why I tried to suggest an idea of how the "returning"
characters could be given full stories and combat profiles.   They could
also just not make new characters, of course, but some players are as
eager for a batarian squad member or something new for the sake of new,
or b/c they lost everyone, as other players are for a fitting, well
developed close to the story of the characters we've already met.    If BW is trying to choose how to devote the
budget, my suggestion was, if anyone is going to get stuck with a bit
part, make it the inevitable new characters instead of the old ones.[/quote]

Your response:

[quote]kraidy1117 wrote...

making new squadmates would take alot more money then using the old
characters, and not to mention if Bioware even tries to pull that ME3
sales will be very poor. Alot of ME fans will not buy ME3 if we get a
new squad and ME2 gets crappy cameos. I sure as hell won't buy it, no
matter how much the story rock or if the gameplay is epic. Bioware
giving us a whole new squad is Bioware telling us that ME2 was a
complete waste of time.[/quote]

Your first sentence tells me you were listening, but decided he was being optimistic. However, then you end repeating the same old tired line I see everywhere from you, which has nothing to do with what he was saying, at all. The rest of your paragraph is the same thing.

I pointed this out to you. Your response?

[quote]No one wants new characters. Judging by the huge support threads, polls
and the hostile that this guy is getting no one wants any. You might but
alot of people don't. I as sure as hell don't If you lost people in ME2
it should bite you in the ass, if you just get a replacement, then the
whole suicide was a gimick and a waste of time.[/quote]

Once again, completely ignoring what I said. First of all, we weren't talking about Solomen; it was Peppard. Second of all, no one said anything about replacements; you're the one assuming that. It creates a false dichotomy to say that introducing new characters means rewarding those who killed off the previous ones.

It also assumes quite a lot from those polls. For instance, I could just as easily say that the ~90 percentile are saying "Don't shaft the old characters!" depending on how the poll is worded.

Once again, I pointed this out to you. Your response:

[quote]You do know, no gives a flying **** right?People want ME2 squadmates to
be squadmates in ME3, thats all there is too it.. Bioware not doing that
is just being lazy and will make them lose money. Only the cry babies
and people like the oP (who is a troll because he wanted a rise out of
people and he got it) don't.[/quote]
Once again, you prove that you are either do not know how to read, or you have a small attention span. You didn't even bother this time; you just bleated the same argument we've heard a hundred times - an argument that makes no sense repeating here. "no gives a flying **** right?" About what? About how to introduce new characters? Because new characters means giving old characters the shaft? Again, a false implication. The argument being raised (which was Peppard's, I should remind you) was that new characters could be introduced without affecting in any way the way in which characters from the previous two games appear. People who "want ME2 squadmates to be squadmates in ME3" could most certainly get behind such a proposal. Peppard himself was one such person, for instance. So am I. There's nothing wrong with introducing new characters, so long as Bioware doesn't compromise what they sold us in Mass Effect 2 (i.e. characters that matter and are in it for the long haul).

I pointed this out, too. Since it really boiled down to you failing to read, I kept it short. Your response?

[quote]Your post is uselss,  give them an importent cameo is that, an cameo.
People don't want that. It's plain and simple.  They even try that crap
and I will not buy ME3 nor will alot of people, hurting ME3 big time. [/quote]
Who said anything about giving them "important cameos"? You did, that's who. No one else. The argument (proposal, really) was (repeating myself here) a way to introduce new characters without annoying the fanbase.

You're just putting words into others' mouths, here. My post was mostly useless in that it only existed to bring your attention to another, more important one, but your response is easily the more useless of the two, because it only repeated what I already know: you're a ME2 fan who can't look beyond your own nose.

I didn't see this post at first, but it changes nothing.

Oh, and as far as I can tell so far, you're the only one who's resorted to name-calling in this thread, too. That's why I called you out when kglaser mentioned something you were guilty of, yet assumed was referring to someone else. While a couple others have come in here expressing their disappointment, you're the only one who has said anything that could be easily interpreted as hateful (i.e. calling people "****ing morons"). Your response, then, made no sense: the crybabies you referred to were just expressing their opinion (albeit in not the most reasonable fashion, but that's not the point). Furthermore, at least one of said crybabies expressed an opinion very similar to yours (i.e. annoyed that ME1 characters were shafted), yet your response was to turn around and call him a whiner. Er, excuse me?

Anyway, you once again completely misunderstood. Your response sums it up:

[quote]Seeing as he is am oron who should have used the search feature, how is
that ironic. Yes go protect people who are getting flamed, you seem to
like doing that. Better yet why not you just go and talk with Smudboy
and complain about ME2? Then us fans of ME2 would't have to deal with
this bull****.[/quote]

Here's what I said:

[quote]CTM1 said...
[quote]kraidy1117 wrote...

Seeing as he is
am oron who should have used the search feature, how is that ironic.[/quote]

Because
you resorted to name-calling, and he didn't? Because you later
responded to someone wishing for a "hatred-free discussion" by referring
to people (besides Solomen) who did nothing more than provide their
opinions? Without acknowledging the fact you, in fact, are a more
accurate example of what the person was talking about, since you
provided some of said hatred by your name-calling (not to mention
general abusive behavior in this thread, which seems to surface whenever
a conversation drags on long enough with you). How is that not ironic? My comment wasn't about
Solomen, but about what you said in response to another's complaint on
the whole subject.

You're not very observant, are you? That seems
evident enough considering how poorly you've already demonstrated your
ability to read a post so far. That wasn't even the point of my previous
post, which was to bring your attention to another argument that was
made in this thread (and has since been swallowed up by all this
bickering, sadly) that you so hilariously misunderstood.

[quote]Yes go protect people who are getting flamed,[/quote]
Why
would a person not do so? Is flaming others a good thing?

[quote]Better yet why not you just go and talk with Smudboy
and complain about ME2? Then us fans of ME2 would't have to deal with
this bull****.[/quote]
How is this relevant?

Here's an
idea, kraidy1117. Try reading before
responding. It does wonders.[/quote]

It's hilarious how badly you've behaved while insisting others are guilty of worse, on top of failing to read the fine points on arguments that in fact do not hate on your precious ME2 at all.

Do yourself a favor kraidy1117. Leave the debating to those willing to do so civily. Because you obviously can't. Hell, you don't even seem able to crawl out of that two-dimensional world of yours. Debating appears simply out of your league.
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This whole topic was an attempt to be a troll and only a few like you refuse to see it. This is not even a debate. Seeing as everyone else is being hostile, yet you point me out? Why not you point out the other people.A  Cameo  that plays a big part of the main story, is still a cameo. Even a big cameo would be bad. For fans to be happy ME2 squadmates need to be recruitable, does that mean you need to have everyone at once?

Not at all, near the start you can choose who you want with you. Many old RPG games have done it, look at games like DAO (not going to spoil it for you but you don't need to recruit anyone expect for three characters that are manditory. Bioware must have had a plan to have ME2 squadmates recruitable for ME3, why would Bioware make all these intresting characters, advertise the suicide mission and then say in the loading screans, your descions will play a huge part in ME3. Yes I know people where disapointed with how decisions where handled in ME2 but it was never advertised, until a little bit after the game was out. ME2 however is advertsing it big time and to turn around and say "ya the people from ME2 will just be cameos" will do more harm then good. It does not matter if they play a huge part in the story, people want them in there party and plus many characters leaving would be half assed and cheap. If Mordin, Samara, Thane, Jack where not squadmates then I would be ok because they have good reasons to not be part of the squad. However there is character like Tali, Garrus, Miranda (depending on your end choice), Jacob and Legion have no where else to go and will help Shepard defeat the Reapers.

There is also the debate that some people think ME2 characters should get the ME treatment. That is selfish. People like me who had everyone lived for one reason only, to have them return in ME3 and battle with Shepard. If Bioware just gives us a new squad then not only are they telling me that ME2 characters where useless, but that ME2 was a waste of time and there was no point to even make sure people survive the suicide mission and that would make the whole suicide mission a gimmick. I am not trying to be mean but this topic has been brought up so many times that realy topics like this poping up again gives out the feeling that you are trying to be a troll. If you want to discuss this, then use the search and then bump up an old topic. Bringing up a topic like this and with the title it has shows fans of ME2 that this OP is a troll. That might not have been the OP intention but it happen.

Plus giving us new squadmates would take alot more money then just using the old characters. People seem to forget that games cost alot of time and money to make. Why do you think there has yet to be and never will be a video game that gives you the choice to do what ever you want. Games try to do it, but there is still limitations and thats because of money. Not only is making squadmates from ME and ME2 more cost friendly, but it would also make fans happy and profit for ME3 will be postive. Thats what Bioware and EA need to look at. If both companys try to do the easy way out in ME3, it will backfire badly and ME3 will not sell that well. Reviews come out weeks and days before the realese of a game. If reviews even mention that we have a new band of misfits and that the squadmates from ME2 only play a minor part that will ensure ALOT of people will not buy it. Also would you buy the game if ME3 story was just a recruitment phase all over again and the big Reaper battle was not big or epic, it was a disapoiintment?

When it comes to a sensitive topic like this, Bioware and EA need too look at two factors, fans and profit. Bring back the old squadmates will benifit them better then just giving us new people. I don't mind if theres new squadmates in ME3, but me, including many fans of ME3 want to finsh the game with there two fav characters with them.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 12 avril 2010 - 08:56 .

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CTM1: thanks for clarifying my point.



Kraidy: The search function is pretty awful, you know. If you feel someone is just being a troll with a new thread, then just don't bump their thread if you have nothing to add to the discussion.



I want the old squad back, but I just can't agree with a lot of the points you make.

First, new squad don't have to cost a lot more than reusing the old characters. There are a lot of variables, like whether you have a celebrity VA versus some local person. Far as I understand, VA's are not paid a flat fee to record all lines for a game title and sequels. It's based on four hour blocks for a set amount, because of union rules from the actor's guild. So new versus old VA, they still have to shell out bucks for more time to record.



Think of it this way, what's the real difference in cost between a "red shirt" like Wilson and a partial squad mate like Morinth, versus a full squad mate like Tali? Once they decide what skills the character has in combat, and a basic look, record whatever they can within the four hour block from the VA, the main difference comes down to whether there is a quest that involves that character in the dialog and how much animation they need to do, and whether they need to buy more time from the VA. There may be some differences if they're trying to get a particular look with a character over a standard NPC look, or give some unique combat moves. So without knowing those choices, you can't say categorically that including a new character versus an old one would cost more.



I'd prefer if BW concentrated on the story, and not blow a ton of budget on "cool new celebrity voices" and "exciting new alien races" but that may be exactly what some segments of the fan base want. That segment would never like my "if there have to be new characters, make them generic and cheap tag-alongs instead of cameo-ing the old characters " idea. Bw probably realizes different segments of fans want different things, that (gasp) we aren't all alike. I just don't know for sure which way they're going to tilt. So I'll keep an open mind and just hope for a good game either way.